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RE: The 'Sybil' Troll - 2/15/2006 7:35:28 AM   
yourMissTress


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Status: offline 		Ah veronica, I miss you my dear friend.

I hope you are there lurking to see that there were a few who appreciated the big heart that afforded you such deep and strong feelings.



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RE: The 'Sybil' Troll - 2/15/2006 7:50:14 AM   
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I agree that veronica came across as bitter and bigoted especially racially. I know I slammed him a couple of times. and yet even though I could have easily shaken the shit out of him or hauled him accross my knee and belted the daylights out of his arse with someiting hard and non flexable, I could also feel his hurt, pain and yes anger. There was fear there too. I can empathise with him and even him being the oain in the but he was, I miss him. Perhaps we all need veronicas to keep us on our toes and keep us honest.


Veronica's words were indeed hard to digest sometimes...I do agree with you. I think that there were elements of truth in them that made people uncomfortable....in the hurt, pain, fear and anger that motivated them. For some, the truth is just too ugly to bear. I agree with you that the racial statements were just way over the top...but if you looked past the words you could pretty clearly see the utter desperation and pain that were at the roots of that plant. I wish him well and hope that one day he can find peace.

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RE: The 'Sybil' Troll - 2/15/2006 8:36:28 AM   
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ORIGINAL: MHOO314

This thread started out discussing the "sybil"troll- veronica was mentioned lovingly as some of us missed his contributions, and were not aware that he left-- not to attack or flame him.

I wasn't attacking him. I was comparing his most recent behavior to that of the "Sybil" troll and hazarding a guess at the reason for his absence. I truly hope he can someday get his shit together because he clearly has demons that need dealing with.

~stef

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RE: The 'Sybil' Troll - 2/15/2006 9:21:45 AM   
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ORIGINAL: IronBear

I agree that veronica came across as bitter and bigoted especially racially. I know I slammed him a couple of times. and yet even though I could have easily shaken the shit out of him or hauled him accross my knee and belted the daylights out of his arse with someiting hard and non flexable, I could also feel his hurt, pain and yes anger. There was fear there too. I can empathise with him and even him being the pain in the but he was, I miss him. Perhaps we all need veronicas to keep us on our toes and keep us honest.


I always felt Veronica was honest, even when he knew his own views would not be readily accepted or supported. He was particularly good at identifying other's hypocracies which I particularly liked. As for a POV, the mainline thing I got out of him was that he didn't fuck with others and that he wanted to be left alone (in real life.)

From what I saw, obesity, three divorces, serving in Vietnam, and a kink others did not readily embrace made life hard for him and it made it hard for him to trust in others. To cope, he was on meds, meds which neutered his libido. Despite all this, he found a place for himself with two dogs, a bunch of cheeseheads (WIS), a Mistress and her husband. No sex --- just housework --24/7 -- shaved and a p/a worn during the day, which he loved and his Mistress required.

His "racism" only extended to the tune of wanting to keep to his own kind and letting others be and the generalizations that go with that outlook. Frankly, its perfectly within his right to chose who he wants to be with, but he never advocated that his way was "the right way" or that others should chose the same as he. The virtue with him was that he was upfront about his positions and you knew where he stood.

All that said, I hope he's well and returns.

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RE: The 'Sybil' Troll - 2/15/2006 11:11:58 AM   
IronBear


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ORIGINAL: cloudboy



From what I saw, obesity, three divorces, serving in Vietnam, and a kink others did not readily embrace made life hard for him and it made it hard for him to trust in others. To cope, he was on meds, meds which neutered his libido.




Fair comment cloudboyand that is why I have empathy for him.... FYI, I'm 60 a tad overweight, diabetic and osteoarthritis in both knees and more pain than you would want 24/7 as well as spending five years in Vietnam and then in various places around the world running either personal protection for high risk clients or running mercinary opps for mine and your governments. I am on meds for both diabetes and pain. Tthree divorces which stripped all my assets which were a disgusting amout of dollar value. I dont have bitterness just some sadness and empethy for people suffering.

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RE: The 'Sybil' Troll - 2/15/2006 3:03:04 PM   
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I always felt Veronica was honest, even when he knew his own views would not be readily accepted or supported. He was particularly good at identifying other's hypocracies which I particularly liked.
Veronica was unable to see and accept that we have all had hurtful experiences in life, but we, for the most part, have been adult enough to build bridges in whatever form (more love, more learning, more psychiatric help, more medications) and get over it. He was unable to get past his experiences and hurt, and you say he wanted to be left alone, but he seeked attention all over the boards, even from people he'd asked leave him alone (like myself).

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His "racism" only extended to the tune of wanting to keep to his own kind and letting others be and the generalizations that go with that outlook. Frankly, its perfectly within his right to chose who he wants to be with, but he never advocated that his way was "the right way" or that others should chose the same as he. The virtue with him was that he was upfront about his positions and you knew where he stood
You have no idea how much I agree with you on this! I have worked in places and have spoken to people who proclaim they aren't racists, but boy were they dellusional?!
I've always said "at least the KKK have the common courtesy of wearing white sheets and making their position obvious." Having said that, I don't think any group should have to put up with bigotry from members if they find it distateful.

I have never reported any of Veronica's messages, because frankly I didn't find the angry loon threatening, but do I miss him, HELL NO! Am I a smidgen disappointed that so many of you loved and miss his vitriol, the honest answer is yes, but I'll live. M

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RE: The 'Sybil' Troll - 2/15/2006 3:08:10 PM   
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RE: The 'Sybil' Troll - 2/15/2006 3:10:44 PM   
delectablepink


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lovely little wench costume, he he.

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RE: The 'Sybil' Troll - 2/15/2006 3:15:24 PM   
bear372217355


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Status: offline 		Ok he was a bit coustic at times, but he had his moments. I thought he had more moxy then to bail out like this though. His online persona seemed strong enough to weather this slight storm.

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RE: The 'Sybil' Troll - 2/15/2006 3:17:58 PM   
delectablepink


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Am I a smidgen disappointed that so many of you loved and miss his vitriol...

BlkTallFullFig


i asked and asked that he have some empathy for ME, who had had similar experiences and came away with a hatred of bigotry. His "love" did not extend to me, but i will say, he never disrespected me.

delectable pink

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RE: The 'Sybil' Troll - 2/15/2006 3:30:59 PM   
BlkTallFullfig


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i asked and asked that he have some empathy for ME, who had had similar experiences and came away with a hatred of bigotry. His "love" did not extend to me, but i will say, he never disrespected me.
delectable pink
He has disrespected me, but like I said never in any way that really bothered me.
Empathy I believe requires a certain maturity level, or at least that one not be a complete narcissist (that sounds a lil redundant, oh well, phuck it!). M

< Message edited by BlkTallFullfig -- 2/15/2006 3:32:21 PM >

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RE: The 'Sybil' Troll - 2/15/2006 3:32:46 PM   
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ORIGINAL: delectablepink

quote:

Am I a smidgen disappointed that so many of you loved and miss his vitriol...

BlkTallFullFig


i asked and asked that he have some empathy for ME, who had had similar experiences and came away with a hatred of bigotry. His "love" did not extend to me, but i will say, he never disrespected me.

delectable pink


Ok my turn. I do miss Veronica. We had some very nice emails back and forth and I felt honored that he opened up to me and let me in to see a glimpse of his past history and how it has effected him today. I, in turn, opened up to him as well. He was sympathetic to the pains of my past and I appreciated him not making jokes or fun of what I disclosed to him. I wish him the best and hope that one day he will come back. Last I heard from him, he said that someone told him this site was a scam and that it was not intended to take seriously. I hate that he believed that. I hate that just a few people could sway his own thoughts of this site. I told him that it was not a game site to me. I met my pup here and there is nothing un-real about that. Do I think he is lurking here? Yes, because how can you feel so much about people you dont know, and then walk away like they meant nothing to you? Some think that is just what he did. I choose to believe otherwise. He did care for many on this site, regardless of whether he believed this site is "real" or not.

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RE: The 'Sybil' Troll - 2/15/2006 5:12:49 PM   
RavenMuse


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Status: offline 		Just because he maybe had a personality clash with some folks doesn't mean he lacked empathy or had 'problems'... he simply didn't get on with you, fine, accept it as that.

Frankly I couldn't give a flying fig if someone 'feels disapointed' that I liked him, thats MY bloody business. I didn't agree with everything he said, people don't, we have diffrent opinions all over the place, doesn't mean that has to be the sole criteria for liking someone.

When I looked in that direction I DID see a guy with a big heart, if you didn't fine, we agree to differ but you can stick your disapointment where the sun doesn't shine!

EDIT: Not aimed at you mistress of Ga... should have replied to the person that made the comment... but hit normal reply instead!

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RE: The 'Sybil' Troll - 2/15/2006 5:14:59 PM   
angelic


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Status: offline 		ok... wait!!! Veronica was a Guy?

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RE: The 'Sybil' Troll - 2/15/2006 5:32:31 PM   
krikket


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ORIGINAL: IronBear

G'day Mod 11. The latest fart from Sybil sounds a tad like a threat doesn't it? For my money I favour the old fashion Tar and Feathers.


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RE: The 'Sybil' Troll - 2/15/2006 6:42:59 PM   
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Frankly I couldn't give a flying fig if someone 'feels disapointed' that I liked him, thats MY bloody business. I didn't agree with everything he said, people don't, we have diffrent opinions all over the place, doesn't mean that has to be the sole criteria for liking someone.
When I looked in that direction I DID see a guy with a big heart, if you didn't fine, we agree to differ but you can stick your disapointment where the sun doesn't shine!
Now I'm crying because you don't give a flying fig I'm disappointed...
Indeed a lot of things in the world disappoint me, but I'm not standing by waiting for you to join me. Nowhere did I say I thought he was vitriolic because we disagreed. I thought that becuase he is hateful, especially of people who look like me, among other reasons.

My criteria for liking or respecting anyone is my own, and obviously aren't the same as yours... But just as my criteria are unimportant to you, you ought to know that my toilet paper is more significant in my life than you or your opinions of me or my criteria. M


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RE: The 'Sybil' Troll - 2/15/2006 7:43:44 PM   
MHOO314


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The beauty of humanity is that at times it is and at times it isn't...

The scourge of humanity is that at times it is and at times it isn't...

If we unfurled the quilts of our lives, we would all have some squares that weren't too pretty--did I like everything he said--no, but he said it--do I always like things people here say--no--but they say them--hell I say them---but it is what it is--patches on the quilt of one's life.

veronica didn't build a bridge, some people can't---v built a cell--private and secure where no one was ever going to hurt him again---where the ebb and flow of life was constant, never changing, never wavering--many of us would argue with that---but it was right for him--who is to say that's wrong?

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RE: The 'Sybil' Troll - 2/15/2006 8:07:24 PM   
kc692


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ORIGINAL: stef

The two that I recall were meandog and junkyarddog. The threads didn't last long.

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I think another one was LoneWolf, or something similar

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RE: The 'Sybil' Troll - 2/15/2006 8:25:13 PM   
stef


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RE: The 'Sybil' Troll - 2/15/2006 10:11:03 PM   
Petruchio


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ok... wait!!! Veronica was a Guy?


Yes, more or less. S/he was a bit spikey and a little hard to get to know, but underneath okay.

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