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Prinsexx -> RE: The Case for and Against Cyber (6/23/2009 4:53:45 AM)

 
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ORIGINAL: CelticPrince



What sayeth you pro or con and why?

CP


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This is an old timer's question.


Sorry CelticPrince
I woke up on the wrong side of the bed and hit the wall getting out.




ranja -> RE: The Case for and Against Cyber (6/23/2009 5:21:26 AM)

I love cyber, it can be so hot
It got me where i am now and that is a very very good place and getting better all the time




DiurnalVampire -> RE: The Case for and Against Cyber (6/23/2009 5:27:27 AM)

I have learned that unless I trust the other side of the conversation to actually be doing what they are saying they are doing, I get nothing out of cyber. The ideas alone do not get me hot, and it is far to eas for someone on the toher end to simply be humoring me and typing back what they think I want to hear becasue they assume I am using a cyber session as a means of figuring out our compatibility. My mentor never took cyber seriously, but there were tons of boys back then that begged for it. I have seen her keep up to 4 windows open in IMs, and cybering in each with a different scene going on. After that, I know how easily it can be an act and so it has lost its allure.

Now, when I am away from Fox, and when I was separated from Angel back in the day, cyber was useful because I knew my boys and I knew how they reacted to words even if they werent playing along at the time. After the trust is there, it made for a  good bridge when I was unavailable.

DV




GotSteel -> RE: The Case for and Against Cyber (6/23/2009 5:43:46 AM)

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ORIGINAL: DavanKael

Imo, it's interactive masturbation. 

Davan



I have the impression that it's more like interactive porn.




marie2 -> RE: The Case for and Against Cyber (6/23/2009 5:51:28 AM)

Cyber sex and cyber ds would make me feel silly, in fact cyber relationships in general would not be enough for me.  But if cyber works for someone else, I think they should engage in it all they want.




Andalusite -> RE: The Case for and Against Cyber (6/23/2009 6:01:40 AM)

*shrugs* I don't think there's any case against it per se, I just don't find the idea appealing at all, especially with someone I've never even met. I do worry that people can mistake experience in cyber-BDSM and online-D/s for their *actual* desires and needs - even the mental stuff can feel very different in person! My other big concern is that a lot of people make a commitment to someone online, and have sex with them or play in a hotel room or otherwise unsafe situation on the first date. It works for some folks, and I've heard from several who've had nothing but good experiences, but it's way too risky for my taste.




kuriouswitch -> RE: The Case for and Against Cyber (6/23/2009 6:03:29 AM)

Master and I are in a LDR, we've been able to meet once but it's difficult to arrange the funds for both of us until I can move out there next year but until I do, we tend to cyber and have phone sex quite a bit. It's not as good as the real thing but it does keep that aspect of the relationship going and Master also uses it as a tool to try new things with me, to see my reaction as well as explain how it would work in real to me.

Thankfully I have a vivid imagination and Master is great at describing details so "getting there" isn't a problem, all it's really missing is the smells and the feel.





CatdeMedici -> RE: The Case for and Against Cyber (6/23/2009 7:28:14 AM)

First of all, welcome back CP--nice to see you again.
 
This is a topic that I have been evaluating for the last several weeks--then the realization hit Me like, " I could have had a V-8"--
 
I work as a strategist in international marketing--My day starts when the sun hits India and follows the sun west to china--I work at home--100% of My life is cyber--emails and conference calls. ( and I gurantee I have more social interaction on a day across 30 countries than most people have in reality in a year.)
 
My check gets deposited virtually and I pay My bills online--cyber.
 
I chat with My best friends, two of whom I have never met because I met them through work and we've been best friends for 5+ years--cyber.
 
I educated My UM and submitted her test scores and grade passages online---cyber.
 
I get My daily uplift from My tarot reading online--cyber.
 
Cyber allows Me to have the freedom I need by providing Me an income, get her homeschooled, keep in touch with friends and have plenty of time for a real life.
 
Its also a means for Me to broaden My search and protect My ass--ets while I'm trying to decide if Joe Schmoo is a freak or not.
 
We all seek relationships via different mediums for a variety of reasons--the internet has enabled that broad capability---how can I poopoo someone who wants to start, build or have a cyber relationship, when that's how I earn a living, sure it isn't a relationship, but My living depends on these people, most of whom I will NEVER meet in real life--so I have changed My stance, if its what fits your world, go for it, sure there is no guarantee that the person at the other end isn't a freak, but then we don't know that about the guy in the library either.
 




LaTigresse -> RE: The Case for and Against Cyber (6/23/2009 8:27:08 AM)

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ORIGINAL: ThatDamnedPanda

For me, it's all about the personal relationship, and that means being together physically. Unless a cyber interaction is just a stage in a relationship, a step along the path toward coming together in real life, it can never be more than a friendship to me. 


Panda expressed my feelings, but way better than I was going to.




lronitulstahp -> RE: The Case for and Against Cyber (6/23/2009 8:41:19 AM)

i view cyber as part of the "pre-lims". It's the application, first interview, second interview...at some point, i expect to start the job. That's RL.
i also think cyber may maintain  a RL relationship that goes LD for some reason. But even that can only be temporary.

Keep in mind, this is my personal opinion,,,and only works for me.
 
 




HatesParisHilton -> RE: The Case for and Against Cyber (6/23/2009 8:47:07 AM)

I used to have a lot of thoughts and opinions on this.

No, these days, after a long hospital stay that was all to like The Kingdom (original GOOD harrowing Lars version), I only have one real POV on the subject.

what if someone has MS?

kind of changes the game, and the perspective on the issue.




synningsub -> RE: The Case for and Against Cyber (6/23/2009 9:11:13 AM)

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ORIGINAL: CatdeMedici
We all seek relationships via different mediums for a variety of reasons--the internet has enabled that broad capability---how can I poopoo someone who wants to start, build or have a cyber relationship, when that's how I earn a living, sure it isn't a relationship, but My living depends on these people, most of whom I will NEVER meet in real life--so I have changed My stance, if its what fits your world, go for it, sure there is no guarantee that the person at the other end isn't a freak, but then we don't know that about the guy in the library either.


very well said.. in this day and age, loads of ppls lives are enhanced by technology.. why not use the net as another means to get to know yourself and others?..in the beginnings of my exploration, i "cybered" with many in an effort to learn what i did and didnt like... now that ive figured that out, i dont do it anymore, but i firmly believe that to each his own .. even if its not mine




leadership527 -> RE: The Case for and Against Cyber (6/23/2009 9:12:22 AM)

Very well put CatdeMedici.

This is why the phrase we stopped using the phrase "virtual reality" on a research project I was engaged in and instead started talking about "mixed reality." Things just aren't so neat and simple as some folks would like to believe. What is absolutely true, as your examples point out, is that there is nothing unreal about the internet and/or other technological communication media.




Prinsexx -> RE: The Case for and Against Cyber (6/23/2009 9:28:36 AM)


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ORIGINAL: HatesParisHilton

I used to have a lot of thoughts and opinions on this.

No, these days, after a long hospital stay that was all to like The Kingdom (original GOOD harrowing Lars version), I only have one real POV on the subject.

what if someone has MS?

kind of changes the game, and the perspective on the issue.

i agree with this. As one of my jobs i work in the world of disability. There are so many out there for whom the computer, like a caliper, or a wheel chair, is simply an extension to their body.
If we are going to pass a judgment on cyber we are passing a judgment on thees issues and indeed on assisted sex and assisted relationship.




Lucylastic -> RE: The Case for and Against Cyber (6/23/2009 9:42:55 AM)

I feel the same as Cat, I have tons of family and friends that I rarely see, but keep in contact thru the interwebs. Skype, Google, Vid and emails.
I work from home and do business online every day.
I have my family at home, I have my hubby and my kids and all  the chaos that entails
Cyber contact is important to me. My pet and I have been in a LDR online for 11years. We get to see each other every few months, but talk, IM,  vid and or chat every day.  The situation fits for us, I realise others are looking for more intimate longterm relationships and I dont blame them, but I would be lost without my computer for online contact
Im awful glad we have the interwebs to  learn  love and live interconnected.
Ive just gotton in touch with cousins I havent seen in twenty years because of distance.... its been fun also a lot of old school friends.
just two cents worth:)
Lucy





CelticPrince -> RE: The Case for and Against Cyber (6/23/2009 10:34:36 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Prinsexx

 
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ORIGINAL: CelticPrince



What sayeth you pro or con and why?

CP


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This is an old timer's question.


Sorry CelticPrince
I woke up on the wrong side of the bed and hit the wall getting out.


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Sorry CelticPrince
I woke up on the wrong side of the bed and hit the wall getting out.


Prinsexx,

Laughs, may I suggest you center the bed!

CP




CelticPrince -> RE: The Case for and Against Cyber (6/23/2009 10:35:51 AM)


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ORIGINAL: ranja

I love cyber, it can be so hot
It got me where i am now and that is a very very good place and getting better all the time


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I love cyber, it can be so hot
It got me where i am now and that is a very very good place and getting better all the time


ranja,

claps, well good on you!

CP




ZenDragoness -> RE: The Case for and Against Cyber (6/23/2009 10:53:19 AM)

CP,

yes indeed. I tried it and it did nothing for me. The contact is not enough for me. Furthermore i
write very fast and tend to get bored real quick.


To make it clear i do not belong to the "Only touch is real" camp, but if i do something like S/M and/or
sex, i need concentration and i want to feel my body. I will not do that in front of a PC.

Do you have a problem if people are absolute sure about something that contradicts the
way you do something?

ZD




CallaFirestormBW -> RE: The Case for and Against Cyber (6/23/2009 11:11:06 AM)

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ORIGINAL: CelticPrince

In the past when Cyber comes up there is always alot of negative comments re; it not real, its fake; I need to touch skin etc, etc.
It is granted that there are many, most I suspect, that simply cannot get their mind to bend around the concept; but those that can are fortunate as a fill in until realtime can happen.

For my part when I mentor new folks coming into the path, I encouage it as a means of determining personality traits, sexual proclivities and a glimpse into real time with that other side of the slash.

What sayeth you pro or con and why?


I think that cyber has its place, but it is a completely different animal than physical interaction. In a way, to me, it is like getting immersed in a really good novel... great story line, lots of interesting concepts... but on the down side, it doesn't always transition well to experiences outside of sitting with that book.

Cyber is a great way to learn about how -ideas- work for you. It works best with things that are predominantly -mental- and -emotional-, but which don't require a huge physical component. Cyber is -not- a good way to figure out if you're going to be compatible to live with someone, or whether you'll fit in with, say, a poly family (or whether you even like -in person- poly), or how to do things like bondage, temp/permanent piercings, or anything else that requires potentially risky activities done to another person's body. It's also important to remember that some things that a person may do easily or willingly are not going to be feasible in a physical situation. I think people tend to forget this -- not just about the -other- person, but about themselves as well. For example, I can't kneel. I might -want- to kneel, say, to not make my dad feel out of place when I join him at church (one of the few things I do -just- because it makes him feel better), but even sitting with my dad at Catholic mass, they're going to have to do the kneel thing without me. I have an artificial joint that is on its last legs (only a nominal pun intended here), and I'll be darned if I'll pay for a replacement just to genuflect. It has nothing to do with my beliefs -- if it were a 'belief' problem, I wouldn't even go to church -- but it's something nice I do for my dad, that makes him feel good, so avoiding the 'trappings' doesn't make sense when you're already in the -big- trapping... but it just doesn't translate to what my body can manage, no matter how much my mind and my love for my dad may want me to.

I think there's a place for cyber. I think it's a good place to explore if you can't get out there and do right now, and it may even be a long-term pleasure for individuals who are happy sticking to that medium. I think that it has a lot of limitations, though, and too much focus there when attempting to transition into a more physical situation can lead to unrealistic expectations of what living full-time in a stylized manner could be or would be like, especially for those who have no physical experience to bolster their cyber-imagined expectations.

Dame Calla




IronBear -> RE: The Case for and Against Cyber (6/23/2009 11:19:49 AM)

Welcome back CP you have indeed been missed. 

I've had cyber relationships some of which were part of role playing too.. It does have it's uses as long as it is not used instead of hands on (the other party and not yourself) lol.

A few years ago I was having cyber sex with one girl whilst another was in reality giving me jolly good head. My cyber partner was also watching the performance on the webcam at the time. I very interesting threesome..




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