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MasterBlueSteele -> BDSM Groups... (6/24/2009 3:35:48 PM)

My submissive are starting up a new bdsm group and we wanted to get input on what people are looking for in a bdsm group. example 18 years and older or 21 years or older, member ships or free...just to list a few. what do y'all think??




leadership527 -> RE: BDSM Groups... (6/24/2009 4:18:25 PM)

I'd be looking for a crystal clear charter and vision statement with well organized and run functions. At that point, I could decide whether that charter offered anything to me or not. I might be interested in a serious learning group. I get distracted easily in the purely social feel-good groups. We don't play or scene so such things are uncomfortably voyeuristic for me.

*Note: I'm not exactly the poster child for BDSM




peppermint -> RE: BDSM Groups... (6/24/2009 5:35:09 PM)

Whether you set the age limit at 18 or 21 would depend on the laws in your area.  I'd check into those laws before deciding on an age.  Many munches meet in bars which means they have to set the age at 21. 

We go to several munches.  Some have dues and some do not.  The one that does not have dues also does not sponsor a play party so there is no need for them to have a cash fund.  Another charges a nominal $10 a year per person and that will help to pay for the party venue if not enough paying people attend.  A third group we belong to charges $30 a year per person for dues and another $15 to attend a play party.  They have a dedicated meeting place so they have the expenses of rent and utilities for that place.  One group I know has been saving their dues money in the hopes of sponsoring a top name presenter one of these years.  So, depending on what you are trying to do with your group will decide on whether you want to charge dues. 

I suggest you check into when any other groups in your area are having munch.  It's not a good idea to compete with an established munch. 

Some munches are just social gatherings.  A small one we've been to has a topic each month.  Someone does some research on the topic and presents their findings.  Then the topic is debated between members.  They meet in a private room in a restaurant so they can chat about BDSM topics. 

There are many different ways to run a group.  What you do and how you do it will depend on your ultimate goal with your group. 




DarkSteven -> RE: BDSM Groups... (6/24/2009 5:37:16 PM)

What kind of group?  Play parties or munches?  In person or online?




antipode -> RE: BDSM Groups... (6/24/2009 6:43:00 PM)

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starting up a new bdsm group


What exactly, pray Master, is a "BDSM Group"?




thishereboi -> RE: BDSM Groups... (6/24/2009 6:56:03 PM)

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ORIGINAL: antipode

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starting up a new bdsm group


What exactly, pray Master, is a "BDSM Group"?



This is a BDSM group in Michigan http://www.michatohs.org/Home.html they used to have demonstrations and munches, but they are only doing munches right now. Hopefully they will go back to the demos in the future. They were a lot of fun.




MarsBonfire -> RE: BDSM Groups... (6/24/2009 7:18:43 PM)

#1: DECIDE WHAT YOUR GROUP IS!
Is the focus social, educational, or play? Some combination of them? Do you intend to be a "gateway" group (welcoming new folk) or provide a space for the folks who are established to meet?

#2. CHECK THE LOCAL CODES
You do not want to be hauled in to the local police station for running an "adult business" in an area not zoned for such, or without a lisence. Find out what the legal definition is between having a party, and running a professional sex club is, in your area. This includes your 18, or 21 question.

#3. FIND A SPACE AND A TIME
It should be somewhere where the neighbors won't be bothered, thus inducing them to call the cops about the noise, or cars parked in front of their homes, or the sight of people stepping out for a smoke dressed in leather or latex fetish outfits. It needs to be a space where the owner or landlord is okay with what you are doing, or at least doesn't care. Also, keep the meeting time the same from month to month... say, like the second Saturday of the month, or similar. This helps people remember your get together, and plan for attending it.

#4. KEEP CONTROL, BUT DON'T GET CRAZY.
These things seem to work best when it's run as a benevolent dictatorship. Make sure the leader, (you) are doing this with the best interests of the community in mind. Don't go nuts, and start thinking you are the uber dominant of your club. If you start laying down the law to suit yourself, people will stop coming, and your efforts will fail. Run it as openly, and freely, and non-judgementally as humanly and legally possible. (Example: I was part of a local group, which was taken over by an older gentleman who was into Gor. Within a couple of months, the group, which was several years old, collapsed. It was because he expected everyone to conform to HIS idea of what the Gorean lifestyle was. Naturally, everyone bridled at this, and simply blew him and the group off.)

#5. SPREAD THE WORD
Advertise where it counts. The last sucsessful group I was a part of put out a newsletter and flyers which were dropped off at several local sex and leather shops. The back page of these publications was a listing of our play party rules, and a declaration of what we were, and what we were not. (Not sex for hire, nor were we a dating service.) Create online groups to service your munch/play party, like a free Yahoo Group where people can talk about what goes on there. Put the addy on the newsletter in BIG LETTERS.

There's probably a lot more... but this should at least get you started.





MasterT1266 -> RE: BDSM Groups... (6/24/2009 8:44:57 PM)

I like the idea of a good BDSM group (hopefully local) south NJ, would love to chat about it




penitentialarts -> RE: BDSM Groups... (6/24/2009 10:30:32 PM)

Just to place what I say below in context, I have served on the board of a large BDSM group in the past, and have been a member of many other ones (with wildly varying structures) for the past 12+ years.

I have finally come to the conclusion that benevolent dictatorships are the best model for BDSM groups.  The more complex the decision-making structure, the less satisfied people will be.  Groups run by boards tend to have more in-fighting and have a harder time getting rid of problem members.  You need someone in place with the authority to say "go away, and don't come back" to problem types that won't reform their ways. 

To whatever degree possible, don't involve money in things.  No dues, no charges for parties, no donation jar.  The exchange of money takes you into a whole different legal realm, and makes it much harder to say "we're just a group of friends having a private party" if the police come knocking.

Stick to house parties.  That way you don't have to pay for dungeon rental, and you are definitely in a "private residence," rather than a semi-public place.  That gives you more legal protection.

If you don't allow sex and/or edgeplay at parties, some folks won't attend.  If you do allow it, other folks won't attend.  You need to decide which way you want to go up front, be clear about it to anyone looking to join, and stick by your guns.  No matter which route you pick, there will be people that are unhappy about it.  At the very least, there will be people who vote with their feet. 

For example, in general (not a 100% rule) I don't go parties with very restrictive rules.  Since my local "public" dungeon is restrictive to a ridiculous degree (and seems to be getting more so), I rarely go there anymore.  I save the money and use it elsewhere in the community. There are other people who don't think their rules are restrictive enough.

Parties are what draw people to groups.  Munches are the best way to pre-screen people for parties.  Events, educational classes, etc. are all good things, but the types of parties you have will have the biggest impact on the success of your group. 

- Jesse






LadyPact -> RE: BDSM Groups... (6/25/2009 1:11:06 AM)

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ORIGINAL: penitentialarts

Just to place what I say below in context, I have served on the board of a large BDSM group in the past, and have been a member of many other ones (with wildly varying structures) for the past 12+ years.

I have finally come to the conclusion that benevolent dictatorships are the best model for BDSM groups.  The more complex the decision-making structure, the less satisfied people will be.  Groups run by boards tend to have more in-fighting and have a harder time getting rid of problem members.  You need someone in place with the authority to say "go away, and don't come back" to problem types that won't reform their ways. 

To whatever degree possible, don't involve money in things.  No dues, no charges for parties, no donation jar.  The exchange of money takes you into a whole different legal realm, and makes it much harder to say "we're just a group of friends having a private party" if the police come knocking.

Stick to house parties.  That way you don't have to pay for dungeon rental, and you are definitely in a "private residence," rather than a semi-public place.  That gives you more legal protection.

If you don't allow sex and/or edgeplay at parties, some folks won't attend.  If you do allow it, other folks won't attend.  You need to decide which way you want to go up front, be clear about it to anyone looking to join, and stick by your guns.  No matter which route you pick, there will be people that are unhappy about it.  At the very least, there will be people who vote with their feet. 

For example, in general (not a 100% rule) I don't go parties with very restrictive rules.  Since my local "public" dungeon is restrictive to a ridiculous degree (and seems to be getting more so), I rarely go there anymore.  I save the money and use it elsewhere in the community. There are other people who don't think their rules are restrictive enough.

Parties are what draw people to groups.  Munches are the best way to pre-screen people for parties.  Events, educational classes, etc. are all good things, but the types of parties you have will have the biggest impact on the success of your group. 

- Jesse




I have to disagree with some of this.  While every group should have a single point of accountability, I don't agree with any group being a dictatorship.  I'm much more in favor of a group that has a board.  While it's true that sometimes those members will have disagreements amongst themselves, it also prevents the group from becoming just an extension of what one person wants.  It also helps to prevent people being not welcome at the group just because the leader of said group has a personality conflict with someone.  If it's really a group for the community, then the community should be a part of the group's decision making process.  Not just what the person who organized the group wants.

Yes, parties at the individual homes of group members is a wonderful idea.  The problem is that you're going to find only a few of your members will have the appropriate living situation, space, and play stations for even a small group to have a play party.  Unless you are going to host every play party at your home, or you expect someone to just offer to hold them out of the kindness of their heart, be prepared to compensate them for the use of their space, electricity, their time and contribution.  Best rule of thumb on this one.  Whoever holds the party gets to set the dungeon rules.

Compensating who holds play parties is one reason groups collect money.  The other is, if you are hoping to do any form of educational activities, the least you should be able to do for your presenter is compensate them for their gas in traveling to you and a decent meal for their efforts.  If while you are just starting out you don't exactly have the resource pool amongst your members for a demo once a month (if that is going to be one of the goals of the group), get to know folks in other groups who may be willing to come from other areas.  This also helps with the advertising that Mars mentioned earlier.

Your group absolutely should have a charter, mission statement, and a set of by-laws.  Also, be prepared to come up with a code of conduct for members of your group to sign before attending any demos or play parties.  Most other groups will be happy to share with you what is working for them.

On the 18 or 21 question, I'm currently a member of four groups.  Only one of which is 18 and up.  Depending on where you chose to hold the group's munch (don't do this at a private home) will help to guide you in that choice.  You may also want to consider age if your group will ever want to make trips as a group to public dungeons.






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