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HatesParisHilton -> RE: Michael Jackson taken to the hospital (6/30/2009 9:16:15 PM)

Ms Cleo and Cherokke D'azzzzzzz are VERY upset with you.




suhlut -> RE: Michael Jackson taken to the hospital (6/30/2009 11:51:01 PM)

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I came back.  Just for a moment.

Silly of me, I know.  But, what to do?

Well, I can be as intelligent, or as flip, as anyone, depending on the way I am addressed.

As I recall, and as my review of your prior post confirms, it was you who referred to "dancing" first, was it not?  A flip comment gets a flip reply.

Moving right along, with respect to your "white woman's opinion," it may surprise you to know that I quite agree with you.  With respect to THAT.

It's clear to me that Michael Jackson was attempting to obliterate his face's African American features (specifically, his nose) to incorporate some Euro ideal of beauty.  Can't argue with that.  It's as plain as the nose on his face.

It is also clear to me that he bleached his skin to, again, approach some European ideal of beauty.  Can't argue with that, either.

In my experience, very, very few African Americans ever bought that vitiligo thing.  Michael didn't have white patches on his skin, he had white skin (and getting whiter all the time, or so it seemed).

[A Washington Post columnist opined as much:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/06/28/AR2009062802328.html]

It's also apparent to me that Michael's children have nary a drop of African-American heritage.  That's what it looks like to me, anyway.

My issue was not, and is not, with those observations.

My issue was, and is, with the horrendously uncivil and disrespectful opinions about Michael that were posted on this thread.

By the way, first I assume you meant no offense, but African Americans really don't do "negro" anymore.

James Brown, God bless him, pretty much put that to rest in the 1960s.

And second, I never confuse my levels of reality--assuming there really are levels of reality!



k..heres hoping i "cut the quotes" down a bit..hope i did that right.

Anyways... blaak... i read the link page you posted.. and it doesn't say anything in it..about MJ not having vitiligo. It merely touched for a moment on it..before focusing on the plastic surgery procedures he had.

One.. does not go hand in hand...with the other.

For instance.. with my vitiligo.. if i ever decide to go with complete depigmentation (bleaching my skin) under the terms that i have described ( if it reactivates and spreads more fully to my face) then.. i'd only be making the same decision that many others with vitiligo make. In my opinion.. MJ also chose complete depigmentation ( skin bleaching) for much the same reason.. that his vitiligo spread to extensively..and he was tired of wearing thick heavy make up to try hiding it.

Aside for that plan already being firmly set within my mind.. well if i happened to ever become wealthy enough.. to afford it.. well i'd be getting a tummy tuck.. a nose job.. and perhaps some other plastic surgery.

Now.. in no way.. are the plans for skin bleaching in anyway connected to my hopeful plans for plastic surgery. i honestly can't see how anyone could connect the two with MJ either.. he just so happened to have enough money to also have the plastic surgery. No big deal..and NOT much different then what millions of males and females chose everyday.

Sadly.. for MJ.. his plastic surgery was botched.. the first nose job was to correct a crooked nose, having been previously broken. That was botched... and MJ continued on..trying to have it corrected.. till in the end, his nose was completely destroyed and he had to wear a prosthetic tip.

Its all an awful set of coinciding set of cercumstances...coinicidences... that in the end.. MJ ended up with skin that made him look freakish.. along with botched nose jobs.. that added up.. made him look terribly scary and freaky.

i don't know if MJ ever had any plastic surgery on his lips.. but i do think.. that the vitiligo..along with the skin bleaching, left him with no natural lip color.. so.. he had them filled in with tattoo..a procedure called Perm Make up.

i also am concidering perm make up tattoo procedure.. to fill in the areas that are my white vitiligo patches.. with inks that match my normal skin tone colors. i just pray.. that my vitiligo never re activates and spreads.. i don't want to have to face tattoo procedure after tattoo procedure.

MJ said it.. himself.. back in  February 10, 1993   when he was on Ophra's tv show.. that it was vitiligo.. he also is said to have shown her his spots on his wrist.. when they were off air.
a copy of his interview:
http://floacist.wordpress.com/2007/06/12/full-information-on-vitiligo-michael-jackson/

i don't understand why people can't believe him.. As it is.. he hid the condition from the public.. for many many years.. and all during that time.. his vitiligo was active (spreading and growing). He used make up to hide it.

He used make up... till the vitiligo had spread so much that he was covering such large white spots... that he had hardly any left of his natural skin left.. thats when i believe he chose to use the medication to remove the remaining natural color..making his complexion a solid mass of pure white. (had his skin bleached)

i do think that MJ prob had issues like dysmorphic disorder. (not seeing the truth of what he looked like acurately) But not even a lil bit do i believe for a single moment that MJ hated being black.. or that he wanted to be white. He had millions of fans.. women that concidered him a sex symbol..all while he still had very dark skin.. He became famous.. while still dark.. he never had any reason..to ever wanna be white.. when he had it made as a black man.

i do also think there was plenty of other things wrong with MJ.. i think that vitiligo.. smashed his self esteem... and that after trying to hide it from the public ( a big mistake) he was bashed all over again..by public opinion.. that he was a liar.. that he was a black man that wanted to be white.. that he was a freak. Imagine how that must have felt... it would be enough to bring on deep depression.

Its no wonder that he turned to developing such a deep love of children.. He fully believed that a child is trustworthy... whereas not very many fellow adults were. His fan base..were so fickle.. loving him and his music one moment.. and then calling him a liar and freak in the next. Forgetting all the good he had done in the world..with his help to the plight of starving in Africa.

How awful.. if MJ is actually completely innocent of molestation charges...for him to think that even a child (or two) turned out to not be trusted.

i feel bad for him.. i think he had a million problems and issues.. and that they all stacked up on top of each other..contributing to each other.. till we ended up with the man that died a few days ago.. so sad.

A link of a collection of photos that apparently show Michaels vitiligo patches.. its a very busy page now i think..cause many of its photo hosts are saying bandwidth exceded.. but still worth a look at.. give it a few days..maybe.. and then go back..after things calm down a bit.
http://floacist.wordpress.com/2007/06/10/vitiligo-photos-michael-jackson/

They sure cinched it for me.. i have no doubts.




JonnieBoy -> RE: Michael Jackson taken to the hospital (7/1/2009 1:10:27 AM)

This big white guy is not threatening anybody (reference to self), I'm ok with your response, but the leaving you alone thing ... up to you mainly.

I enter discussion boards, as do you, so if you're discussing something that I'm discussing, it may not be possible.

Well anyway, it seems you don't want to "engage" certain issues with myself, which is up to you, I'm always open to communication and I got what I think is your message, I understand your grief and wish you well in dealing with it, truly.

I'll see you around on the boards I'm sure, I hope under more positive circumstances (funny how things develop sometimes...)

Pirate






LaTigresse -> RE: Michael Jackson taken to the hospital (7/1/2009 3:55:33 AM)

Pirate, sadly it isn't so funny but given the history of posts on these forums, I would say there there certainly are some people in this world determined to be victims and will twist everything everyone around them says to make their point. That they indeed are victims. Blackman is one of those people. Now I just watch with a cetain sadness how he is determined to make himself a victim. Constantly stirring his victim pot with little taunts, daring others to engage him, twisting and turning, dancing, changing the music and dance steps constantly so only he can follow the steps.

It's really quite sad to watch. If his words here are any indication, I feel bad for the people that are in his life daily. Not to mention he, himself. Playing victim must get terribly exhausting.




sirsholly -> RE: Michael Jackson taken to the hospital (7/1/2009 4:05:56 AM)

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Playing victim must get terribly exhausting.
i sure am tired of it [&:]

reading it...that is




charlestonscmilk -> RE: Michael Jackson taken to the hospital (7/1/2009 9:00:33 AM)

As a black woman I wanted to say something

I was on my way to a birthday party when the announcement came on the radio. There were about 25 women at the party, a about one third white the rest of us are Black. All about my age, from say 40 to 60... All these women were well educated, and successful.Well of course the death of M J was all the topic at the party. The room divided all most exactly as I thought it would. The women who had healthy well adjusted childhoods, with no sexual abuse in their past, were sad at the passing of the "King of Pop"... or completely disinterested...The women who had been sexually abused, became hostile and ugly, saying things like, "Why are they reporting on the death of a child molester and a freak? This is not news. If he is dead I hope he goes straight to hell."As the days have gone by more and more people have talked to me, and it is still playing out in this way. And before anyone asks; Yes I either have first hand knowledge of these people's abuse or I have asked them point blank. This is very interesting to me... I am hoping that someone will take the time to bring attention to this subject... It is a very open secret that MJ was at the very least physically abused, and it has been rumored that he and the other children were  also sexually abused.I strongly believe that people who were abused sexually as children Can and often do become sexual predators themselves.  I know this from study in my field as well as from being an avdocate for women who are drug addicted.  Most of these clients were sexually abused as children and they have grown up to use sex in a predatory way. NOT all of them, or even most of them with children, but they have sexually acted out of the "norm." So maybe the negative comments on the board are from people who were preyed on as children, and it may for them have nothing to do with skin color, but rather their own painful experiences. Peace and blessings.Charleston milk




kdsub -> RE: Michael Jackson taken to the hospital (7/1/2009 10:36:24 AM)

I think there is another factor in the division of feelings about Michael Jackson’s death. I was listening to NPR when they had a group of black commentators discussing the seemingly divide between white and black America on his death.

They said before his death black America was divided over Michael Jackson. Some felt he was trying to be white and was ashamed of his race… others thought he was a disgrace because of the way he looked and talked…and still more thought he was a child molester. The overall attitude to Michael Jackson pretty well matched the attitude of non-blacks.

After his death white news commentators praised Michael Jackson and his contributions to music and his contribution to breaking the color barrier at MTV and other networks. BUT they always ended their commentary with a but…then went on to comment on the allegations against him.

The black commentators then said this white commentary rallied black America in defense of Michael Jackson. They transferred the implied criticism of Michael Jackson to criticism of the black race as a whole.

Now my opinion.

I think this is a factor and many people may not even be aware they are doing it. This natural reaction really has nothing to do with a race or color in my opinion. Any minority group I believe would react in the same manner. If white were a minority they would react in the same way to a criticized white entertainers death. It is just another part of our nature as human beings trying to survive…and built into us over hundreds of thousands of years of evolution.

It is something to be understood…dealt with…and if necessary forgiven.

Butch




ienigma777 -> RE: Michael Jackson taken to the hospital (7/1/2009 1:52:33 PM)

Well Darcy & the Dark et al; They big hoopla over MJ's demise is that he was a celebrity, a multi billion dollar enterprise; being partnered with Sony et al....in their Music Catalog; and multi other investments...MJ has and will hold the record for generating more revenue in the music industry, and any other industry, in the history of the planet. His handlers, marketers were astounding in marketing him, and he with medicore talent at best; alot of crotch garbbing, sneering, head jerking, and yelling (ecuse me, er singing). With all the money he generated he had plastic surgeries which turned him into a grotesque....not like his sister Janet which turned her into one of the most beautiful women in the world; and his skin whitening, to look, appear, as a caucasian.....he must have been real proud of his race, to want to be white. And let's not mention his sex scandals, settled out of court.

So, while millions of children round the world die of starvation, as another poster brought up, he, lived like a king, induleged in sexual escapades with little boys; and dies a GOD.

These 'Jacksonphobes' turn my gut....oh by the way, I'm not behind the times with the Jackson memorbilia shit....there will be more of it, at higher prices....he'll mostly likely make even more money after dying than he did alive.

Now, all you Jacksonphobies, run out and spend your money, buying the shit, masturbate while he sings post mortum.....and fuck those others in the world, those children, starving, ...... what's the use.




sirsholly -> RE: Michael Jackson taken to the hospital (7/1/2009 2:04:17 PM)

sheeesh...you are a bitter person. 




DomKen -> RE: Michael Jackson taken to the hospital (7/1/2009 2:37:35 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: ienigma777
'Jacksonphobes'

the suffix 'phobe' usually means fear or dislike of something, for instance arachnophobes fear spiders. What you meant was more likely 'Jacksonphile', i.e. a liker of the Jacksons.




slutslave4u -> RE: Michael Jackson taken to the hospital (7/1/2009 3:05:18 PM)


Yet Another celebrity Has passed:

Karl Malden....passed in his home of what they are saying "natural causes" at the age of 97

http://movies.msn.com/movies/article.aspx?news=418447>1=28101




Blaakmaan -> RE: Michael Jackson taken to the hospital (7/1/2009 8:28:54 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: JonnieBoy

This big white guy is not threatening anybody (reference to self), I'm ok with your response, but the leaving you alone thing ... up to you mainly.

I enter discussion boards, as do you, so if you're discussing something that I'm discussing, it may not be possible.

Well anyway, it seems you don't want to "engage" certain issues with myself, which is up to you, I'm always open to communication and I got what I think is your message, I understand your grief and wish you well in dealing with it, truly.

I'll see you around on the boards I'm sure, I hope under more positive circumstances (funny how things develop sometimes...)

Pirate





I'll engage anybody as long as they don't send me nasty e-mails, kind sir.




Blaakmaan -> RE: Michael Jackson taken to the hospital (7/1/2009 8:54:53 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: ienigma777

Well Darcy & the Dark et al; They big hoopla over MJ's demise is that he was a celebrity, a multi billion dollar enterprise; being partnered with Sony et al....in their Music Catalog; and multi other investments...MJ has and will hold the record for generating more revenue in the music industry, and any other industry, in the history of the planet. His handlers, marketers were astounding in marketing him, and he with medicore talent at best; alot of crotch garbbing, sneering, head jerking, and yelling (ecuse me, er singing). With all the money he generated he had plastic surgeries which turned him into a grotesque....not like his sister Janet which turned her into one of the most beautiful women in the world; and his skin whitening, to look, appear, as a caucasian.....he must have been real proud of his race, to want to be white. And let's not mention his sex scandals, settled out of court.

So, while millions of children round the world die of starvation, as another poster brought up, he, lived like a king, induleged in sexual escapades with little boys; and dies a GOD.

These 'Jacksonphobes' turn my gut....oh by the way, I'm not behind the times with the Jackson memorbilia shit....there will be more of it, at higher prices....he'll mostly likely make even more money after dying than he did alive.

Now, all you Jacksonphobies, run out and spend your money, buying the shit, masturbate while he sings post mortum.....and fuck those others in the world, those children, starving, ...... what's the use.


Now, that's ironic!

It was Michael Jackson who co-wrote, sang lead, and helped to spearhead the drive to bring other prominent artists together on "We Are the World," which raised gobs of money for "USA for Africa," to help feed starving children in Africa.

I can't think of an artist who did more at that time, and I can easily think of tons of artists who didn't do a thing.

And he wrote and sang songs like, "They Don't Really Care About Us," and performed it in a video filled with third-world black children, making quite a political statement about third-world poverty and the developed world's "couldn't care less" attitude towards that poverty.

And he wrote and sang his song, "Man in the Mirror," which had these lyrics:

As I Turn Up The
Collar On My
Favorite Winter Coat
This Wind Is Blowin' My Mind
I See The Kids In
The Street,
With Not Enough To Eat
Who Am I, To Be Blind?
Pretending Not To See
Their Needs
A Summer's Disregard,
A Broken Bottle Top
And A One Man's Soul
They Follow Each Other On
The Wind Ya' Know
'Cause They Got Nowhere
To Go
That's Why I Want You To
Know

I'm Starting With The Man In
The Mirror
I'm Asking Him To Change
His Ways
And No Message Could Have
Been Any Clearer
If You Wanna Make The World
A Better Place
Take A Look At Yourself, And
Then Make A Change


Michael Jackson can be legitimately criticized on many grounds, but, sorry--living high without a thought or care for the world's poor--isn't one of them.




HatesParisHilton -> RE: Michael Jackson taken to the hospital (7/1/2009 8:58:43 PM)

"What Would Ms Cleo Say...?"




Blaakmaan -> RE: Michael Jackson taken to the hospital (7/1/2009 9:13:13 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: kdsub

I think there is another factor in the division of feelings about Michael Jackson’s death. I was listening to NPR when they had a group of black commentators discussing the seemingly divide between white and black America on his death.

They said before his death black America was divided over Michael Jackson. Some felt he was trying to be white and was ashamed of his race… others thought he was a disgrace because of the way he looked and talked…and still more thought he was a child molester. The overall attitude to Michael Jackson pretty well matched the attitude of non-blacks.

After his death white news commentators praised Michael Jackson and his contributions to music and his contribution to breaking the color barrier at MTV and other networks. BUT they always ended their commentary with a but…then went on to comment on the allegations against him.

The black commentators then said this white commentary rallied black America in defense of Michael Jackson. They transferred the implied criticism of Michael Jackson to criticism of the black race as a whole.

Now my opinion.

I think this is a factor and many people may not even be aware they are doing it. This natural reaction really has nothing to do with a race or color in my opinion. Any minority group I believe would react in the same manner. If white were a minority they would react in the same way to a criticized white entertainers death. It is just another part of our nature as human beings trying to survive…and built into us over hundreds of thousands of years of evolution.

It is something to be understood…dealt with…and if necessary forgiven.

Butch



I heard that same story, and I think it was entirely accurate.  Except, African Americans are not translating criticism of Michael Jackson into criticism of the black race as a whole.  Many (and I include myself in that number) do believe that it's unwarranted and unsubstantiated criticism of a major African American figure.  And, needless to say, we don't like it.

I noticed the "but" in pretty much every Michael Jackson story after he died.  And I truly resented it.

Not that the "but" could even begin to touch some of the stuff that's been said on here...

Of course that has to do with race.  The NPR story said so itself.

When I say it has something to do with race, I'm saying that the phenomenon is being expressed, received, or perceived differently by different races.  I am not saying that if another race was in the same position, it wouldn't react the same way.  There's nothing about this reaction that is peculiar to African Americans.

We are just the race in the minority, it was an African American who died, and it's the majority, white race (well, a substantial minority of that majority) that is to some (including me) disparaging Michael Jackson's achievements.

Of course, if another race in the same situation, they would likely react the same way.

And I'm not sure who or what needs to be forgiven.






Blaakmaan -> RE: Michael Jackson taken to the hospital (7/1/2009 9:16:43 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: HatesParisHilton

"What Would Ms Cleo Say...?"


I guess somebody thought that was witty...[8|]




kdsub -> RE: Michael Jackson taken to the hospital (7/1/2009 9:47:02 PM)

The forgiven Blaakmaan is each of us for not understanding the other.

Butch




HatesParisHilton -> RE: Michael Jackson taken to the hospital (7/1/2009 10:17:11 PM)

"I guess somebody thought that was witty...[8|] "

same people that remember a film called "Darkman", yeah.





JonnieBoy -> RE: Michael Jackson taken to the hospital (7/1/2009 11:01:57 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Blaakmaan

quote:

ORIGINAL: JonnieBoy

This big white guy is not threatening anybody (reference to self), I'm ok with your response, but the leaving you alone thing ... up to you mainly.

I enter discussion boards, as do you, so if you're discussing something that I'm discussing, it may not be possible.

Well anyway, it seems you don't want to "engage" certain issues with myself, which is up to you, I'm always open to communication and I got what I think is your message, I understand your grief and wish you well in dealing with it, truly.

I'll see you around on the boards I'm sure, I hope under more positive circumstances (funny how things develop sometimes...)

Pirate





I'll engage anybody as long as they don't send me nasty e-mails, kind sir.



Truth hurts.

Your judgment is and has been flawed.

Pirate




rulemylife -> RE: Michael Jackson taken to the hospital (7/2/2009 8:19:53 AM)

DEA joins Michael Jackson death investigation AP, Jul 2, 2009 9:43 am PDT

With the federal Drug Enforcement Administration now joining the investigation into Michael Jackson's death, Jermaine Jackson says he would be "hurt" if toxicology reports show that his younger brother abused prescription drugs.

"In this business, the pressures and things that you go through, you never know what one turns to," Jermaine Jackson said in an interview broadcast Thursday on NBC's "Today" show.

The circumstances surrounding Jackson's death last week have become a federal issue, with the DEA asked to help police take a look at the pop star's doctors and possible drug use. Allegations have emerged that the 50-year-old entertainer had been consuming painkillers, sedatives and antidepressants.

Asked if he would be shocked or surprised if Michael's drug use was proven, Jermaine Jackson said, "I would be hurt." He said he had heard about prescription drug use in the 1980s when his brother was hurt in an accident filming a commercial but did not know if drug use was a possibility more recently. "I don't know about these things, because I hate anything with drugs," he said, adding that it hurts the family for people to say things about drug use "because we don't know."

Psychic entertainer Uri Geller, a former Jackson confidant, said Thursday he tried to keep Jackson from abusing painkillers and other prescription drugs, but others in the singer's circle kept him supplied.




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