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Vegetarian or Vegan Restraints? - 6/26/2009 8:29:43 PM

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Any decent non-leather handcuffs/ankle restraints out there? Better yet, a place dedicated to veggie fetish toys? I'm just dying to restrain my girlfriend.....

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RE: Vegetarian or Vegan Restraints? - 6/26/2009 8:55:56 PM

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http://www.veganerotica.com/store/default.php

Be sure to check out their links too. Restrain away!

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RE: Vegetarian or Vegan Restraints? - 6/26/2009 9:24:58 PM

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Lots of non leather stuff to choose from. There are some nice velcro and neoprene restraints on the market, or you could learn to make your own restraints and toys :D

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RE: Vegetarian or Vegan Restraints? - 6/26/2009 9:35:05 PM

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My boyfriend and I really like the japanese silk rope.

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RE: Vegetarian or Vegan Restraints? - 6/26/2009 9:44:20 PM

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I've been wondering how well rubber restraints such as: http://www.extremerestraints.com/bondage-gear_10/strict-leather-deluxe-locking-rubber-restraints_494.html would hold up or there's always steel

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RE: Vegetarian or Vegan Restraints? - 6/26/2009 11:25:44 PM

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Honestly, all our restraints are silk rope.

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RE: Vegetarian or Vegan Restraints? - 6/27/2009 1:24:36 AM

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Umm... I really don't think silk qualifies as veggie (someone will correct me if I'm wrong), as it is an animal product.

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RE: Vegetarian or Vegan Restraints? - 6/27/2009 3:57:08 PM

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Normally to produce silk the cocoons are unwrapped, killing the silkworms. However there is apparently something called vegetarian silk where they wait for the moths to emerge and harvest the empty cocoons.

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RE: Vegetarian or Vegan Restraints? - 6/27/2009 4:08:30 PM

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I have a set of heavy rubber cuffs and a matching collar and o-gag. Also, the nylon pet collars work well.
And, aaaaack, I am going to have to do some reserch on silk; I have been a veggie for over 20 years and have never heard of the silkworms being killed to get the silk.
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RE: Vegetarian or Vegan Restraints? - 6/27/2009 4:15:51 PM

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I guess I'm dumber than I thought. I assumed it was at least somewhat better. I am sorry.

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RE: Vegetarian or Vegan Restraints? - 6/28/2009 4:28:55 PM

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I was curious about how silk exactly is made. and yes, they kill the caterpillars and then take their silk coccoons to make raw silk.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silk

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RE: Vegetarian or Vegan Restraints? - 6/28/2009 5:55:12 PM

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I second CarrieO's suggestion of veganerotica.com.

Regarding rope, if you buy treated Japanese hemp rope, it has a silky feel. Western hemp and package hemp are lame -- I mean itchy. Maybe you're into the itch thing. If not, they're not for you. Also, Lee Harrington in "Shibari You Can Use" gives a method for treating hemp rope at home so it becomes soft and silky. For the Do-It-Yourselfer vegan whackjob.

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RE: Vegetarian or Vegan Restraints? - 6/28/2009 7:40:17 PM

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Try your local tack shop. Horse hobbles make sturdy, strong restraints. They are not leather, and if they can hold a horse they should hold your g/f.

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RE: Vegetarian or Vegan Restraints? - 6/28/2009 9:30:18 PM

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quote:

I guess I'm dumber than I thought. I assumed it was at least somewhat better. I am sorry

Most people don't think of silk as an animal product, so no need to apologize.

As has been posted, the most common method used to harvest silk is to boil the cocoons, which does kill the pupa within. Vegan silk is out there, but is harder to find and not as durable, due to the breaks in the fiber made by the emerging moth.

That said, there's more than one way (about 1001, actually) to bind a g/f, and plenty of modern materials are vegan friendly

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RE: Vegetarian or Vegan Restraints? - 6/28/2009 9:50:58 PM

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Hmm, alright. I guess I'm not the type to go beyond the obvious. I thought silk came from a plant thing...*blushes* Sometimes things miss me.

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RE: Vegetarian or Vegan Restraints? - 6/28/2009 9:55:24 PM

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Even if they didn't kill the worms to get the silk, that's not vegan. Vegans won't have anything to do with anything that has ever had anything to do with anything from the animal kingdom. (Wow, 4 "anything" in one sentence!) So pearls, honey, silk, etc are all no-nos.

Sure, using silk is "vegetarian". But so is using leather, because you're not eating it.

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