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xBullx -> Rellevant Quotes to the present US climate... (6/28/2009 10:51:01 AM)

I was going through a list of quotes that I thought were very applicable to where we find ourselves today.

If anyone knows of other inspiring words from our human history, please do share.

I'll start....

...America needs fewer laws, not more prisons. – James Bovard
 
...They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. – Benjamin Franklin
 
...Remember, democracy never lasts long. It soon wastes, exhausts, and murders itself. There never was a democracy yet that did not commit suicide. – John Adams (1814)
 
...Giving money and power to government is like giving whiskey and car keys to teenage boys. – P.J. O'Rourke
 
...There is no worse tyranny than to force a man to pay for what he does not want merely because you think it would be good for him. – Robert Heinlein
 
...A wise and frugal government which shall restrain men from injuring one another, which shall leave them otherwise free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned. This is the sum of good government. – Thomas Jefferson (1801)
 
...None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free. – Goethe
 
...[On ancient Athens]: In the end, more than freedom, they wanted security. They wanted a comfortable life, and they lost it all – security, comfort, and freedom. When the Athenians finally wanted not to give to society but for society to give to them, when the freedom they wished for most was freedom from responsibility, then Athens ceased to be free and was never free again. – Edward Gibbon
 
...If a nation values anything more than freedom, it will lose its freedom; and the irony of it is that if it is comfort or money that it values more, it will lose that, too. – Somerset Maugham
 
...Can our form of government, our system of justice, survive if one can be denied a freedom because he might abuse it? – Harlon Carter
 
...The government was set to protect man from criminals – and the Constitution was written to protect man from the government. – Ayn Rand
 
...Those who expect to reap the benefits of freedom, must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it. – Thomas Paine
 
...Blessed are the young, for they shall inherit the national debt. – Herbert Hoover

...If you think health care is expensive now, wait until you see what it costs when it's free. – P.J. O'Rourke (1993)
 
...I was guilty of judging capitalism by its operations and socialism by its hopes and aspirations; capitalism by its works and socialism by its literature. – Sidney Hook
 
...More laws, less justice. – Marcus Tullius Ciceroca (42 BC)
 
...God grants liberty only to those who love it, and are always ready to guard and defend it. – Daniel Webster (1834)
 
...The era of resisting big government is never over. – Paul Gigot (1998)
 
...Liberty means responsibility. That is why most men dread it. – George Bernard Shaw
 
...The strength of the Constitution, lies in the will of the people to defend it. – Thomas Edison
 
...Collectivism doesn't work because it's based on a faulty economic premise. There is no such thing as a person's "fair share" of wealth. The gross national product is not a pizza that must be carefully divided because if I get too many slices, you have to eat the box. The economy is expandable and, in any practical sense, limitless. – P. J. O'Rourke
 
...Government cannot make man richer, but it can make him poorer. – Ludwig von Mises
 
...If we don't believe in freedom of expression for people we despise, we don't believe in it at all. – Noam Chomsky
 
...America's abundance was not created by public sacrifices to the common good, but by the productive genius of free men who pursued their own personal interests and the making of their own private fortunes. – Ayn Rand
 
...One of the penalties for refusing to participate in politics is that you end up being governed by your inferiors. – Plato
 
...When you subsidize poverty and failure, you get more of both. – James Dale Davidson, National Taxpayers Union
 
...I think the terror most people are concerned with is the IRS. – Malcolm Forbes, when asked if he was afraid of terrorism
 
...If we were directed from Washington when to sow and when to reap, we would soon want for bread. – Thomas Jefferson
 
...Alcohol didn't cause the high crime rates of the '20s and '30s, Prohibition did. And drugs do not cause today's alarming crime rates, but drug prohibition does. – US District Judge James C. Paine, addressing the Federal Bar Association in Miami, November, 1991
 
...Government does not grow by seizing our freedoms, but by assuming our responsibilities. – Michael Cloud
 
...You cannot help men permanently by doing for them what they could and should do for themselves. – Abraham Lincoln
 
...A little government involvement is just as dangerous as a lot – because the first leads inevitably to the second. – Harry Browne
 
...When they kept you out it was because you were black; when they let you in, it is because you are black. That's progress? – Marilyn French
 
...What is a Communist? One who has yearnings – for equal division of unequal earnings. – Ebenezer Elliot
 
...Everyone wants to live at the expense of the State. They forget that the State lives at the expense of everyone. – Frédéric Bastiat
 
...People fear witches, and burn women. – Justice Louis Brandeis
 
...Penalties against possession of a drug should not be more damaging than the drug itself. – Jimmy Carter
 
...America was born of revolt, flourished on dissent, became great through experimentation. – Henry Steele Commager
 
...We are living in a sick society filled with people who would not directly steal from their neighbor but who are willing to demand that the government do it for them. – William L. Comer
 
...You can only be free if I am free. – Clarence Darrow
 
...When we lose the right to be different, we lose the privilege to be free. – Charles Evans Hughes
 
...I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them. – Thomas Jefferson
 
...It's no accident that capitalism has brought with it progress, not merely in production but also in knowledge. Egoism and competition are, alas, stronger forces than public spirit and sense of duty. – Albert Einstein
 
...He who passively accepts evil is as much involved in it as he who helps to perpetuate it. – Martin Luther King, Jr.
 
...Low-income workers as a group are the major victims of minimum wage legislation. – Keith B. Leffler
 
...Public educators, like Soviet farmers, lack any incentive to produce results, innovate, to be efficient, to make the kinds of difficult changes that private firms operating in a competitive market must make to survive. – Carolyn Lochhead
 
...If you can cut the people off from their history, then they can be easily persuaded. – Karl Marx

...When they took the 4th Amendment, I was quiet because I didn't deal drugs.
When they took the 6th Amendment, I was quiet because I am innocent.
When they took the 2nd Amendment, I was quiet because I don't own a gun.
Now they have taken the 1st Amendment, and I can only be quiet. – Lyle Myhr
 
...Now that I look back, I realize that a life predicated on being obedient is a very comfortable life indeed. Living in such a way reduces to a minimum one's own need to think. – Adolf Eichmann, Memoirs written after his 1960 capture by Israel.
 
...We are going to tax and tax, spend and spend, elect and elect. – Franklin D. Roosevelt
 
...Public works are not accomplished by the miraculous power of a magic wand. They are paid for by funds taken away from the citizens. – Ludwig von Mises
 
...The average family pays more in taxes than it spends on food, clothing, and shelter combined. – Congressman Dick Armey, Why a Flat Tax?
 
...A union of government and religion tends to destroy government and degrade religion. – Hugo Black
 
...I fear for our nation. Nearly half of our people receive some kind of government subsidy. We have grown weak from too much affluence and too little adversity. I fear that soon we will not be able to defend our country from our sure and certain enemies. We have debased our currency to the point that even the most loyal citizen no longer trusts it. – A Roman Senator in A.D. 63
 
...Never forget that everything Hitler did in Germany was legal. – Martin Luther King Jr.
 
...The government's only proper job is to protect individual rights against violence by force or fraud … to protect men from foreign invaders … to settle disputes among men according to objective laws … The greatness of the Founding Fathers was how well they understood this issue and how close some of them came to understanding it perfectly. – Ayn Rand
 
...We the people are the rightful master of both congress and the courts – not to overthrow the Constitution, but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution. – Abraham Lincoln

 
***I think I'll pass it on to the rest of you on that note.
 
 




Sanity -> RE: Rellevant Quotes to the present US climate... (6/28/2009 11:06:16 AM)


"The rise in global temperatures since 1880 closely correlates with increases in postal charges, sparking alarm that CO2 has been usurped as the main driver of climate change."

Jo Nova




kittinSol -> RE: Rellevant Quotes to the present US climate... (6/28/2009 11:20:59 AM)

"I've abandoned free market principles to save the free market system." --George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., Dec. 16, 2008




rulemylife -> RE: Rellevant Quotes to the present US climate... (6/28/2009 11:41:30 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: kittinSol

"I've abandoned free market principles to save the free market system." --George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., Dec. 16, 2008


And what fault can you possibly find in that statement?






rulemylife -> RE: Rellevant Quotes to the present US climate... (6/28/2009 11:42:40 AM)

Is there a point to all this?




xBullx -> RE: Rellevant Quotes to the present US climate... (6/28/2009 11:44:04 AM)

Not if you can't see it...

As kitten likes to extrapolate I can be somewhat .............. cryptic.




rulemylife -> RE: Rellevant Quotes to the present US climate... (6/28/2009 11:54:21 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: xBullx

Not if you can't see it...

As kitten likes to extrapolate I can be somewhat .............. cryptic.


I believe I see it, and while I like when people document their views, a page worth of other's quotes isn't a substitute for your own opinion, nor a substitute for articulating your point.




kittinSol -> RE: Rellevant Quotes to the present US climate... (6/28/2009 12:07:51 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: rulemylife

quote:

ORIGINAL: kittinSol

"I've abandoned free market principles to save the free market system." --George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., Dec. 16, 2008


And what fault can you possibly find in that statement?



No fault at all, and it's a very relevant quote to the present climate - precise reasons why I stuck it to this thread.

I agree with you about the quotes thing. Too often, people make these lists of quotes in an attempt to make these ideas their own, or just because they can't be arsed writing their own words - it's kind of a passive agressive way to say "See? Some famous [preferably dead] people think like me, so I'm right, and I should be vindicated.".

However, once in a while, a Bushism emerges that is so appropriate to the matter at hand, it's uncanny.

"Against the assault of laughter, nothing can stand." Mark Twain.




Apocalypso -> RE: Rellevant Quotes to the present US climate... (6/28/2009 12:50:12 PM)

"The law, in its majestic equality, forbids rich and poor alike to sleep under bridges, beg in the streets or steal bread."- Anatole France

"Freedom without equality means that the poor and weak are less free than the rich and strong, and equality without freedom means that we are all slaves together"- Nicholas Walter

"No murderers -- and no humanists either! The first accept death, the second impose it. let ten men meet who are resolved on the lightning of violence rather than the long agony of survival; from this moment, despair ends and tactics begin. Despair is the infantile disorder of the revolutionaries of everyday life."- Raoul Vaneigem

"The error of most alleged libertarians -- especially the followers (!) of the egregious Ayn Rand -- is to assume that all property1 is property2. The distinction can be made by any IQ above 70 and is absurdly simple. The test is to ask, of any title of ownership you are asked to accept or which you ask others to accept, 'Would this be honored in a free society of rationalists, or does it require the armed might of a State to force people to honor it?' If it be the former, it is property2 and represents liberty; if it be the latter, it is property1 and represents theft"- Robert Anton Wilson

"Same thing day after day - tube - work - dinner - work - tube - armchair - TV - sleep - tube - work - how much more can you take? - one in ten go mad - one in five cracks up"- Anon, but it was issued by the King Mob group





Apocalypso -> RE: Rellevant Quotes to the present US climate... (6/28/2009 12:53:38 PM)

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ORIGINAL: kittinSol
I agree with you about the quotes thing. Too often, people make these lists of quotes in an attempt to make these ideas their own, or just because they can't be arsed writing their own words - it's kind of a passive agressive way to say "See? Some famous [preferably dead] people think like me, so I'm right, and I should be vindicated.".
I'd disagree.  Not only do I not see anything wrong with being inspired of the words of those who have gone before, I think what quotes people choose tells us an awful lot about them.  Besides...

"Ideas improve. The meaning of words participates in the improvement. Plagiarism is necessary. Progress implies it. It embraces an author's phrase, makes use of his expressions, erases a false idea, and replaces it with the right idea."- Guy Debord

[8D]




xBullx -> RE: Rellevant Quotes to the present US climate... (6/28/2009 3:22:50 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: kittinSol

it's kind of a passive agressive way to say "See? Some famous [preferably dead] people think like me, so I'm right, and I should be vindicated.".



Passive aggressive you say? Are you within your skewed vision of my intent attacking the post or the poster? The fact is readily obvious that it is not I that is the chiefly escort of the passive aggressive contingent. In fact it might be noted that those that bear no fruit, are only capable of witnessing fruits they pillage from and cast eagerly upon others.

I found it rather inspiring that those quotes I selected applied quite appropriately to our present strife and yet in all these ideals, all these authors were from such a diverse variety of backgrounds. It seems these individuals I selected were capable of looking beyond their own personal safety and satisfaction. They looked directly at things that many look right past. They admitted truths that many fear to consider.

So you wish for my opinion and not simply a rabble of quotes? Stand in witness:

I was doing little more than allowing the evidence of my forming opinions to take hold of their own accord and as you can see in a few brief posts it is also demonstrated here before your very eyes; as is almost always the case, those bearing the guilt of conundrum or perhaps the arrogance of self righteousness eagerly attempt to defuse, confuse or even trample the objectives of those seeking greater depths and freedoms as men.

Barak Obama, no different than George W. Bush is not the answer to what ails us. Nor were they that question. We must do more than simply look beyond our partisan wrangling; this nation was born of independent free thinking men, no party alignments, simply men and now to now include all men and women, those born unto personal liberty; one man, one woman, one vote, one voice for each.

America from the time of its inception has always been a vision of chance, a vision of what can be, to the entire world.

Freedom, liberty and prosperity are not virtues conceived in law, not concepts harbored within the magnificent domed buildings of our treasured capitals, in fact these are even more than mere words transcribed upon an eternal parchment; you see, as our founders saw these ideals are discovered in the hands of the blacksmith, the minds of our scholars, the hearts of our poets, the gallantry of our warriors, the visions of our artists, but most importantly in the faith of our children. Being an American is not simply an idea about liberty, it is an historic landmark within the annals of all humanity, a still present reality where a Republic of men find purpose beyond their own personal needs. Yes at times we do seem to forget the struggles that do persist in maintaining the gifts of our fore fathers. But surely something so accidently spectacular should not fail or else I find little hope for the happiness of the common man.

So in this I took a moment aside from all the constant bickering and self serving accusations to expound upon the thoughts of men that have drudged forth for centuries in hopes of reminding a few, about the uncommon gifts that we so often take for granted.

Perhaps I should have waited for July 4th for such a thread, but in my thrill of community pride I hastened and acted.

But I must ask:

If you found no value in my words and findings, why not simply ignore them? For you my friend, I have returned such a favor upon many occasions.




philosophy -> RE: Rellevant Quotes to the present US climate... (6/28/2009 4:43:28 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: xBullx

America from the time of its inception has always been a vision of chance, a vision of what can be, to the entire world.



.........perhaps true, at least for a little while. Certainly it was an attempt to, on a blank slate, write down all those words that mean the most, that represent the noblest parts of humanity.

And yet.....

The vision has been betrayed. Multiple times and by multiple people. Some have betrayed it in a spirit of opposition. Some have betrayed it thinking they defended it. Some have betrayed it out of fear. A very few have betrayed it out of courage.

For here's the rub. If it is a vision for the entire world, (as it can be, ought to be and was probably designed to be), then it applies to the entire world. It is not enough for an American to merely treat other Americans as American. Freedom, liberty and the pursuit of happiness are the birthright of all. All men are created equal.....not just those who live in the 50 states.





Louve00 -> RE: Rellevant Quotes to the present US climate... (6/28/2009 4:57:54 PM)

Can't come up with as many as you did, but I do like a good quote.....

Crime does not pay...as well as politics ~ Alfred E Newman

It is the duty of every citizen to the best of his capabilities to give validity to his convictions in political affairs ~ Alfred Einstein

Politics is the art of finding trouble, whether it exists or not, diagnosing it incorrectly, and applying the wrong remedy ~ Ernest Benn

When the political columnists say 'Every thinking man' they mean themselves, and when candidates appeal to 'Every intelligent voter' they mean everybody who is going to vote for them. ~ Franklin P. Adams

The problem with political jokes is they get elected. ~ Henry Cate VII

Most people assume the fights are going to be the left versus the right, but it always is the reasonable versus the jerks. ~ Jimmy Wales

Politics is war without bloodshed while war is politics with bloodshed. ~ Mao Tse-Tung

Politics is perhaps the only profession for which no preparation is thought necessary. ~ Robert Louis Stevenson

Politics is supposed to be the second oldest profession. I have come to realize that it bears a very close resemblance to the first. ~ Ronald Reagan

The more you read and observe about this Politics thing, you got to admit that each party is worse than the other. The one that's out always looks the best. ~ Will Rogers

and, last but not least...

If God had wanted us to vote, he would have given us candidates. ~ Jay Leno

Editted to add...
After I posted it, I realized not all are 'inspirational', but certainly can be applied.




xBullx -> RE: Rellevant Quotes to the present US climate... (6/28/2009 5:32:20 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: philosophy

The vision has been betrayed. Multiple times and by multiple people. Some have betrayed it in a spirit of opposition. Some have betrayed it thinking they defended it. Some have betrayed it out of fear. A very few have betrayed it out of courage.



Agreed!

quote:



For here's the rub. If it is a vision for the entire world, (as it can be, ought to be and was probably designed to be), then it applies to the entire world. It is not enough for an American to merely treat other Americans as American. Freedom, liberty and the pursuit of happiness are the birthright of all. All men are created equal.....not just those who live in the 50 states.



And emphatically yet again!!!




xBullx -> RE: Rellevant Quotes to the present US climate... (6/28/2009 5:37:04 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Louve00

Politics is supposed to be the second oldest profession. I have come to realize that it bears a very close resemblance to the first. ~ Ronald Reagan



Certainly one of my all time favorites... 




blacksword404 -> RE: Rellevant Quotes to the present US climate... (6/28/2009 9:01:20 PM)

The future requires sacrifices in the present. But only in the future can you see whether those sacrifices were worth it for you to make.  The mighty Sword
 
Our society is not as willing to sacrifice as it has been in the past. We want it all. And now. It's reflected in everyday americans habits as well as our businesses.




xBullx -> RE: Rellevant Quotes to the present US climate... (6/29/2009 4:56:31 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: blacksword404

The future requires sacrifices in the present. But only in the future can you see whether those sacrifices were worth it for you to make.  The mighty Sword
 
Our society is not as willing to sacrifice as it has been in the past. We want it all. And now. It's reflected in everyday americans habits as well as our businesses.


We have an old saying out here in farm country, "it takes a generation to acquire it, the next to maintain it and the following to squander it."

I suspect that sadly enough there is some validity to proverbs such as this. It may possibly go along with the Karl Marx quote I posted earlier.




PyrotheClown -> RE: Rellevant Quotes to the present US climate... (6/29/2009 12:26:26 PM)

"Society is like a stew. If you don't stir it up every once in a while then a layer of scum floats to the top."
~ Edward Abbey

"I'll show you politics in America. Here it is, right here. "I think the puppet on the right shares my beliefs." "I think the puppet on the left is more to my liking." "Hey, wait a minute, there's one guy holding out both puppets!""
~Bill Hicks

"No one ever went broke by underestimating the intelligence of the american public"
~P.T.Barnum




PyrotheClown -> RE: Rellevant Quotes to the present US climate... (6/29/2009 12:28:15 PM)

quote:

However, once in a while, a Bushism emerges that is so appropriate to the matter at hand, it's uncanny.



I think some one compiled Donald Rumsfeld quotes into a book of haikoos




pahunkboy -> RE: Rellevant Quotes to the present US climate... (6/29/2009 12:43:00 PM)

fuck the government.




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