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LadyPact -> RE: Its so sad... (7/2/2009 9:19:58 PM)

People respond to their own frustrations in different ways.  Sometimes, the feeling of searching feels worse than residing oneself to not having someone at all.  The work can seem like a useless task, especially if it is a fruitless one for a length of time.  When a person wants one thing so badly and doesn't receive it, the positives that may have shown up along the way are easy to overlook.

Yes, I've noticed.  It's been happening for a while now.  Also, it's nothing new.  People leave here, the meatlife version, and other venues all of the time.  Some come back, some don't.  Sometimes, they pop back up out of the blue after years.  Some you never see or hear from again.

Speaking as someone who once swore up and down that they were hanging it up (the r/t version, not CM) all I can tell you is that, as sad as it can be to see someone go, you have to let them find their own way.  If it's who they really are, they'll be back.




StrangerThan -> RE: Its so sad... (7/2/2009 10:10:02 PM)

I don't think the goal is impossible. I think sometimes the expectations surrounding the search for it however, are - which in turn, makes the reality more difficult to attain. I've been here before in one incarnation or another a couple of times, but never sought anyone from this site. I find many to come across as, and this will probably spark some ire, but jaded. I don't deal well with that mindset. Today's letdowns are tomorrows challenges, and those who have forgotten how to dream are wrecks along the road.

Too often I see people spout more acronyms than the military, and seem to forget in the process that there's an actual living, breathing, fallible and always imperfect person they're trying to fit into all those categories without wanting to do any of the work. Too often it seems people want the goal without traveling the road, or feel that because they have traveled the road, everything and everyone not already at the destination is somehow less.

I figure, I will never be at the destination. That's the place you languish, the place where stories end, the place for happily ever afters that apparently no longer have challenges associated with them since all the dragons have been slain once one reaches it. I feel fortunate that I have a relationship that is a good one, that is built upon more than the bindings and instruments and the trappings. I also know down deep that if I didn't have it, there would still be a need to see what lay beyond the next horizon, a dream to follow, and a reason to keep going even if my direction wasn't specific to D/s. I've read often excerpts that indicate dominant and submissive aren't descriptions, they are who a person is. I'll grant that cliche it's moment of truth, but the piece lacking from it, is that same Dominant and submissive also have many other sides to them. There's a triad involved with a relationship where all three legs must stand if the relationship stands, and those must address the mental, physical and emotional aspects of it. Never will those three legs be fully addressed by one aspect of a personality unless maybe one has a severe case of obsessive-compulsive disorder.

I had basically given up when I found my girl, and when I met her, the urge was not so much to dominate, but to discover all the different sides of her, to find the places that needed a dominant, to set free those that needed to be free, and to figure out in the process if my own needs would be met. Maybe that was the key for me. Everything before that, no matter how good, had that circus feel to it, meaning a place you you enjoy, but one that doesn't belong to you. Maybe that's why I've grown over the years to despise the word play in association with D/s, because I got tired of simply playing and people who simply played. Maybe it's because I realized that's what I'd been doing and had not been devoted to maintainnig all three legs of that triad, in short, not doing the work. Maybe it's because I realized that no one else can tell me how to satisfy my needs, nor define the 'right' way to do so. Maybe it's because I realized my happiness was not based upon someone else.

Dunno.

What I do know is that when I lost the urge to 'look', I found her. And maybe what that tells me is that I'd reached the point where I was willing to do the work for a relationship, and not just a good time.







IronBear -> RE: Its so sad... (7/2/2009 11:33:36 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: CatdeMedici

Just here, we have seen so many steadfast members say: "it's time to pack it in, I/i won't find what I/i need so its time to say goodbye"--though I get that feeling, ( been there, done that and traded the t-shirt back in more than a few times)--how sad that we cannot find what we seek---probably a spin off the recent posts of morphing, or finding what you never thought you would seek---but how sad that so many of those we deem awesome are saying goodbye and will go into the gentle night alone.
 
Are we seeking the impossible? Or has life spoken louder?


I've been there a few times and I to have had the t-shirt and traded it back. Currently we are not actively looking but then I have found that when I stop looking life has a oft nasty habit of tossing the proverbial spanner in the works and someone wanders into our lives.

To some degree life has spoken louder with regards to immediate finances available and my health, both which make doing what I want to do before I am ready for a slave. However this is a transient aspect for I believe that with some creative thinking I shall be able to both have my cake and eat it too.

Seeking the impossible? Perhaps it is more accurate to say "Seeking the Improbable". All of us who are part of or as in my case was part of the Gorean Lifestyle know from the start that we are searching in a very small group of slaves or potential slaves. The Victorian Lifestyle is similar for slaves who are service orientated and who also have an interest in BDSM play and possibly sexual contact is indeed very small. If you make the mistake of at the time publicly identifying as Gorean, you are branded for damn nere life and as we have seen here in other threads the amount of ignorance and inability to want to try to underatand what this entales makes finding suitable people.

Having said this, sometimes it is good to take a break and allow one's self to become involved with other facinating areas of life like looking at a "Tree Change" and rebuilding an entire new life in a new location with new challanges and new rewards. Often enough when the spirit has recharged, one may well return to the active BDSM world.





eyesopened -> RE: Its so sad... (7/3/2009 3:42:37 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: CatdeMedici

Just here, we have seen so many steadfast members say: "it's time to pack it in, I/i won't find what I/i need so its time to say goodbye"--though I get that feeling, ( been there, done that and traded the t-shirt back in more than a few times)--how sad that we cannot find what we seek---probably a spin off the recent posts of morphing, or finding what you never thought you would seek---but how sad that so many of those we deem awesome are saying goodbye and will go into the gentle night alone.
 
Are we seeking the impossible? Or has life spoken louder?


I can only speak for myself.  When I could not find what I was seeking, I needed to examine it further.  Really examine it.  Was I looking for a person, or was it really a feeling of peace, contentment, joy, and belonging?  Drilled down to its very core, what did I want?  Seeking something outside myself to give me a feeling inside myself suddenly seemed silly.  Better first to find peace and belonging within myself, my life as it is, finding ways every single day to serve, if not a Master, then my job, my family, my community, my world. 

Sending signals to the Universe that I will never be happy gave me exactly that.  Sending signals to the Universe that I am happy also gave me that happiness.  Once I became happy, joyful, and at peace, it seemed there were plenty who gravitated toward it and suddenly someone with whom to share that wonderful place appeared.

So many people think that it amounts to 'settling" to entertain a friendship, partnership or other relationship prior to falling in love.  Or they set up the criteria to guarantee no human can meet that criteria.  In other words, sometimes people are really getting exactly what they seek without realizing it.




DarkSteven -> RE: Its so sad... (7/3/2009 5:18:19 AM)

I'm having fun here, and learning.

I may find a partner here, I may not.  I'm looking through other means as well.




CarrieO -> RE: Its so sad... (7/3/2009 5:59:13 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: CatdeMedici
 
Are we seeking the impossible? Or has life spoken louder?


I don't feel I'm seeking anything impossible.  My life has been speaking quite loudly of late which takes my focus elsewhere.  I take short breaks, mostly due to some silly frustration.  I know what I'm looking for, which I may or may not find here.  I've let go of any expectations and instead view this as a learning process. 




GYPZYQUEEN -> RE: Its so sad... (7/3/2009 7:42:12 AM)

OP:  and ALL..
 
I am really enjoying it here...I was off and on for a while before going to the forums..
I have learned to stand in my own truths..look at others..question...and look into my own process...learned to apologize...improve my vocab...be more articulate..
back research up...and very much feel honored to be let IN TO ppls lives from
hearing of their ups and downs to celebrations and successes.

I have met about about 18+ from here ( RT)...ONE is Master Farlo(  almost 3 yrs ago) who I wrote about in the positive thread who came into my life after my husband died..and remains a good friend and confidante.
 
I have met some of the community in my area now since I moved to a larger centre..many from the site.
 
I have 1 loyal sub moving back from ONT  end of July[&:] and the possibiltty of another.
I have made 4 GOOD friends...3 in RT...as well as  one young man who sees me as mentor and mom.

CM came into my life at a time when I lived in an isolated community in Northern AB..[X(]
it was my LIFE line to the LIFE...

PPL come and go  but always leave something of them selves with us  for which I am eteranally GRATEFUL

IT IS SAD..we feel sad..and yet we cannot grieve a LOSS.......
we have not lost...what they gave cannot be taken away
ty xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxooooooooooooooooooo to all


GQ




LadyHibiscus -> RE: Its so sad... (7/3/2009 7:49:29 AM)

~FR~

I like it here, I like the friends I have made, and I would miss this place if I left.  If it was easy for any human to find a match, would we be bombarded with ads for match, chemistry, cupid, and all those other websites that promise miracles?   There is a very very shallow pool to choose from in my area, and if I find someone, lovely.  If I keep him or her, even better!  I don't have any reason to ditch friendships just because I haven't found sufficient romance!




RedMagic1 -> RE: Its so sad... (7/3/2009 8:33:10 AM)

I think it's only "sad" if someone's only purpose in life is to have a relationship.  And that is sad, whether they're in a relationship or not.  The world is much bigger than two people, and there is so much to do, and so many who need help.




Whiplashsmile4 -> RE: Its so sad... (7/3/2009 8:42:42 AM)

Simply put this site and other sites is not everything in life.







SlyStone -> RE: Its so sad... (7/3/2009 9:44:52 AM)

Just here, we have seen so many steadfast members say: "it's time to pack it in, I/i won't find what I/i need so its time to say goodbye"--though I get that feeling, ( been there, done that and traded the t-shirt back in more than a few times)--how sad that we cannot find what we seek-


I do think that there is a danger in becoming dependent on this medium to find someone or even as an outlet for all your thoughts and ideas. It seems to me that at some point it becomes a waste of time to spend hours and hours posting and reading and arguing with cyber phantoms, but I do understand the need to express and it is not so easy to find people in real life that you can interact with on this subject and in this way. To me that is what is kind of sad, not the staying or the leaving, but simply that we have the need for this at all.

As far as finding a mate here, while it apparently does happen, I think that seeking a long term relationship contingent on a BDSM dynamic is most likely the wrong way to go, better to seek someone with shared values and interests and sexual compatibility, and throw the labels to the wind.



Or has life spoken louder?


One can only hope




Voodali -> RE: Its so sad... (7/3/2009 10:08:27 AM)

After years of pining, I have come to believe that the perfect partner does not exist, or if he does, only an act of god or fate can bring him anywhere near me.  Realizing that was the hard part.  But now that its realized a whole new world of possibilities has opened up, and I am able to find and work with the good points in the people that have been physically placed in my path.  I will probably never entirely give up on the dream of true connection to someone on a compatible wavelength.  I cannot, as I am designed to crave it, but I'll be damned if I'm going to be lonely and bored along the way.
However, as far as throwing the towel in goes, I've heard more stories of friends meeting their soulmates once they completely gave up than I can count.  Hopefully that's what will happen to those who have completely left CM and other such venues.




oceanwinds -> RE: Its so sad... (7/3/2009 11:27:25 AM)

I never joined the forum to search for a Dominant, so I cannot answer from that point. I have found what I came for, educating myself about BDSM. A bonus is finding a few others that are becoming very dear to me as friends.

What does at times make me want to pack my 'bag' and leave is the whining and complaining in regards to posts that feel the need to tear this site down,   This gets to me at times, so I back away.  I am not one for soap operas and poor me threads, and there might be times that is all there is being posted.

The whole though is that CM has offered me a vastness of learning material, and I am not done learning. I will remain because of that, and now because I have some friends here that I enjoy sharing with.




WestBaySlave -> RE: Its so sad... (7/3/2009 11:39:24 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: CatdeMedici

Are we seeking the impossible? Or has life spoken louder?


It only feels impossible at times. I haven't entirely lost hope but I've had a roller-coaster year and a half when it comes to "the search" and I've lost a lost of innocence along the way.

It's funny, people usually think of BDSM novices as the more nervous and cautious ones but for me the more experience I've had the harder it becomes for me to open up and trust yet again. I was very gung-ho at the start but I find myself becoming increasingly reserved and slower to take action on a promising connection as time passes. "Love like you've never been hurt" is easier said than done.

I've given up before, but always come back. I can only hope that once I do "find" I can give up the search for good.




afterforever -> RE: Its so sad... (7/3/2009 1:58:12 PM)

I could see myself getting bored of actively searching for someone, just reading all the mail is hard enough let alone writing any, but I'm not searching that hard anyway, real life is way too busy. But when I do have the time, this forum is as nice a place as any to hang out and see what happens.




NihilusZero -> RE: Its so sad... (7/3/2009 3:54:09 PM)

Just in life in general, the hit/miss ratio of finding someone who will make you feel you've "found it" (whatever "it" is and for however long you'd need it to last to feel that way about it) is skewed heavily in favor of missing. I think a slightly better measuring stick is how many times you, at least at a certain point, felt like you maybe had "it" (this accounts for pretty things broken along the way).

If your goal is to actually find that elusive "it", it does not logically follow to cut back the available avenues to find it. That only lowers your chances.




TEMPERANCE -> RE: Its so sad... (7/3/2009 4:25:11 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: CatdeMedici


Are we seeking the impossible? Or has life spoken louder?


This appears to be a worldwide phenomenon, and if im honest i do wonder why, well i know why im single and cant find what im looking for... a complete sadistic bastard who is at least  6’ tall, either shaved head or long hair, good looking would be cool as would tattoos.. oh and a love of wearing leather trousers would be simply divine.... and then she wonders why she’s single....
In all seriousness though i think we set our expectations way too high.... we narrow down our possible potential partners by having such high expectations... we read all about the romanticised ideations of BDSM and this is how we want it to be and nothing less than will do, and while its cool to have standards i think we also have to acknowledge that we are all only human at the end of the day...
It would be foolish for someone to limit their search for potential partners to an internet site, as that will only ever lead to disillusionment... many of the members are not what they claim etc etc.  They do always say that when you stop looking it finds you, i personally think thats complete crap ..
On the flip side they may try to throw the gloves in, but where are they going to go?  I know i for one despite how ever fed up i get know that i have no choice, this is who i am and i have to live with that.... i cant do vanilla.... i would sooner be single.

 




autoRelease -> RE: Its so sad... (7/3/2009 6:45:18 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Voodali
However, as far as throwing the towel in goes, I've heard more stories of friends meeting their soulmates once they completely gave up than I can count.  Hopefully that's what will happen to those who have completely left CM and other such venues.


I hear a lot of people say that but my experience has been the opposite, and I've seen it with my friends too.  I think when people are not looking they send out not-looking vibes and that's what other people hear. It's all about vibes.

There's nothing wrong with asking for the near impossible as long as you're willing to remain single if you don't get it. That's the case with me.




LookieNoNookie -> RE: Its so sad... (7/3/2009 7:42:18 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: CatdeMedici

Just here, we have seen so many steadfast members say: "it's time to pack it in, I/i won't find what I/i need so its time to say goodbye"--though I get that feeling, ( been there, done that and traded the t-shirt back in more than a few times)--how sad that we cannot find what we seek---probably a spin off the recent posts of morphing, or finding what you never thought you would seek---but how sad that so many of those we deem awesome are saying goodbye and will go into the gentle night alone.
 
Are we seeking the impossible? Or has life spoken louder?


Here's my thoughts on that (awesome post, by the way):

1)  Give what you can....

There will always be some who've never walked in your shoes that may need a hand up....don't matter if you've been there....you might go there someday....and you very likely may have some answers for this person.

(Besides which....if they call you...they'll be less likely to call me).

2)  Take what you can....

You never know when the Gods are smiling on you...this could be your moment.

(Who wants to fuck with that?)

3)  Leave what you can....

Because....occasionally, even you might come to find you need a nickel....(and that bum on the freeway exit that you've driven past 38 times since last Tuesday is very likely holding $377.84 cents from working the crowd all day....and if you had a big Dodge Maxi Van working in tandem with you on a private channel radio....and had him park just so at about 4:55 p.m. after the big rush on Friday to block everyone else's view....you could roll the bastard and easily take $250.00 of it before any of the newspapers got a drift of it).

Those are my thoughts......






leadership527 -> RE: Its so sad... (7/4/2009 7:14:58 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: CatdeMedici
Are we seeking the impossible? Or has life spoken louder?

It has never occurred to me anywhere in my entire life to think that something I desire is impossible. Some things are more difficult than others. But to declare something "impossible" is a way to say, "I'm unwilling to try" which, of course, means that my declaration has just become reality. In fact, it is my impression that finding a good partner is not particularly mysterious, it just requires A LOT of effort. It's not hard to figure out what [most] men and [most] women want. Providing those things though takes serious effort.

The issue in my mind is that people want a cadillac partner at a chevrolet price tag.




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