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RE: Palin to resign as governor - 7/7/2009 9:43:03 AM   
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lol... she understood herself.. sad thing no one else did. and that question has been asked and asked.. what did she mean.. and she still wont say... because she doesnt know what she meant.

same thing with the pledge of allegiance.


She understood herself... but she doesn't know what she meant? 

The Pledge of Allegiance?

lol... And people here complain that Palin is a ditz and incomprehensible.

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RE: Palin to resign as governor - 7/7/2009 9:44:46 AM   
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RE: Palin to resign as governor - 7/7/2009 9:49:12 AM   
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Individuals were billed during her tenure.

Prove it. One example will suffice.

So now you are either saying sources you introduced are wrong or are claiming that insurance pays for things not billed to the policy holder. Please specify which.

It's pretty simple now, DK.

You claim that "individuals" were billed for rape kits while she was mayor.

I didn't even ask for you to give me two or more examples that your claim requires. I simply asked for you to provide proof for a single individual.

Can't do it, huh?

Changing the subject won't alleviate the fact that you can't prove your claim.


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She wants creationism taught in public schools. Who besides creationists wants that? You can keep on squirming but this is one of those easy ones. Only people with a specific religious agenda ever call for creationism to be taught in public schools. That she happens to have belonged to churches where creationism is a standard belief is not conclusive but when she speaks supportively on the subject it is conclusive.

Show me where she specifically said anything other than it ought to be allowed to be discussed.

Not taught as fact. Not taught as dogma. Discussed.

Not what others think she meant. Not what you divine from supposed "code words". Not what others thought she meant. What she actually said should be done.

Firm

And who would want a religious concept disguised as science even discussed in the public school classroom? You will continue to claim innocence but anyone willing to investigate will find quite easily that 'discuss' in this context is the fall back position of the creationists since Dover v Kitzmiller put an end to ID in public schools.

Simply creationism is a religious idea. Any discussion of it in the public schools, beyond absolute and total dismissal as psuedo science, without also introducing and discussing every other religious origin myth is a violation of the first ammendment's establishment clause. That is very well settled by multiple SCOTUS and appelate rulings.

Obfuscation. Your interpretation and mind reading. Attempting to change the issue.

Here is where we started:

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My personal favorite:

6. She said that dinosaurs walked the earth 4k years ago.


Did she say this? Not sourced from any creditable report. In fact, snopes debunks this as well (I'll leave the interested the job of checking it out themselves).

I guess your attempt to change the discussion focus and your inability to give a clear answer is all the answer I need.

Firm

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RE: Palin to resign as governor - 7/7/2009 9:58:06 AM   
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Treasure ,no disrespect intended...to either you or Firm but the idea that the "full picture" could or would be provided by any post authored by you two is laughable on the face of it.What the two of you do consistantly provide is neatly bundled conservative right wing propaganda.....all wrapped up nicely in genteel fashion.
Still and all just one side of the coin....hardly the full picture.
Nice spin jobs though.

Oh, come on mike.

What we both do is provide facts and our analysis. You can disagree with our analysis, and dispute our facts, but simply making claims that you don't like our arguments because they are "all wrapped up nicely in genteel fashion" doesn't seem to be too an effective counter.

I'm not sure if we agree on the definition of "propaganda" either.

Just because someone disagrees with you, and puts forth their arguments, doesn't make what they say "propaganda".

In fact, in this thread, I'm really confused about what you think I and Treasure are "propagandizing", other than challenging many of the false political memes that seem to surround Palin.

Is it your defintion of "propaganda" mean "to speak the truth"?

Firm
Well we would first have to agree on what "truth" is...and it appears to me your version of it includes whatever bullshit emanates from Palins spin doctors.For instance you accept as holy writ her version of being savaged by the national media in an ideological attack.While in my version the media did its due dilligence and merely covered the unveiling of her as an empty skirt with little in the way of ideas and less to offer in actual policy and intelligence than your average high school student.

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RE: Palin to resign as governor - 7/7/2009 10:15:43 AM   
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1. Slur:

Were the 6 items I listed intended to be disparaging? If so, then they are slurs.


I see no evidence for that.

*shrug*

Then you are blind.


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2. Dinosaurs walking the earth 6k years ago:

The only source for any of this is a claim by a political opponent, a self-style progressive, and a man who admits working for, and advising a convicted criminal involved in political chicanery in Alaska. (Gee, wasn't it Palin that stirred up a shit storm and got a lot of the crooks in hot water .... ?)


Do you have any evidence at all that for that bizarre claim? Instead, you tell some strange tell about two people who aren't even mentioned in the LA Times article.

Google is your friend.

I googled the name of the person making the claim (Munger) to find the blog mentioned in the LA Times article, and then followed his own links. I then googled the name of his boss (Weimer). It's all there, on the net. Just connect the dots.

Which part didn't you understand?

That Munger is a political opponent of Palin?
That Munger worked closely with Wiemer?
That Wiemer was a crook that got caught?
That only Munger has ever made the claim to have had the personal conversation in which she bared her soul on the issue?

The evidence and analysis was plainly laid out in my original post. Maybe you need to read it again.

Just because you don't wish to see something, doesn't mean it's not there.


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3. AIP membership.

Panda has already admitted it not to be true.

Actually, he has done no such thing. He wrote "I've never seen anybody here state that she was a member". At best, Panda admitted that he didn't know.

Actually, he did.

Scroll back through to post 288. I quoted him in one of my responses to him (post 300, bottom of page 15).


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In the video you linked, Chyron says " All I know was that she was at the convention in 94". Since that's the time period under discussion, I take that as an acknowledgment that he didn't know that she was a AIP member.

You conveniently left out that both the Chairman/former secretary and the Vice Chairman of the AIP DID state that she WAS a member. Chyron never claimed to know (nor did I say he did), but he did know about her attendance at the 94 convention.

And that matters because Lynette Clark, Chairman of the AIP, later changed her story, claiming that "Palin was not a member and did not attend the convention in 94".

So there is good evidence that Lynette Clark's original statement - that Palin WAS a member - is true.

It certainly makes the then head of the party seem more powerful and connected when he makes such a claim, especially when he is doing it in the privacy of a party meeting (secret!! video! ).

Unfortunately, the documentary record differs from his recollection, as does the final recollection of everyone else you quoted.

You choose to believe otherwise, in spite of the facts, because you choose to believe otherwise.

Faith doesn't need proof, I know.

Firm

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RE: Palin to resign as governor - 7/7/2009 10:17:12 AM   
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... I'm just responding to Firm's statement that there's no evidence your sources are right-wing blogs. He said something to the  effect that "there's little evidence (you guys) are getting your information from right wing blogs", and I said that's what you were quoting.

Bull hockey, Panda.

That's not even close to what I said, and it's in plain as day in my post, easy to actually quote and read.


Really? Then let's  do that. I said -

quote:

If you spend a lot of time browsing wacko conservative blogs like the one Heretic posted, you're probably going to see a lot of focus on poor Sarah and how persecuted she is


.Here's what you said -

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You are assuming facts not in evidence about either my or Heretics reading habits.


Can you explain how the statement -

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He said something to the  effect that "there's little evidence (you guys) are getting your information from right wing blogs"


...is "not even close to what you said?"


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As I said before, you disappoint me. Normally, you make clear the differences between facts and opinion, but when it comes to anything "Palin" you seem to lose all coherence and logic.



And you've disappointed me even more. I used to respect you as someone who was at least trying to argue from a position of intellectual honesty. There was a value in arguing with you, because to engage you meant that one had to examine their own position closely for internal flaws. Now it's just become tiresome. It's like having a bedtime argument with a child who insists that since you told him he could stay up until 9 PM, and it's not 9 PM yet in Hawaii, you should have specifically stated you meant 9 PM here in Oklahoma. It's not stimulating anymore, it's just irritating. And it's a complete waste of time.


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RE: Palin to resign as governor - 7/7/2009 10:18:00 AM   
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Well we would first have to agree on what "truth" is...and it appears to me your version of it includes whatever bullshit emanates from Palins spin doctors.For instance you accept as holy writ her version of being savaged by the national media in an ideological attack.While in my version the media did its due dilligence and merely covered the unveiling of her as an empty skirt with little in the way of ideas and less to offer in actual policy and intelligence than your average high school student.

Mike,

You are certainly welcome to your own opinion. But, as I've said before (and it's not original with me), you are not welcome to your own facts.

Firm

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RE: Palin to resign as governor - 7/7/2009 10:24:47 AM   
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Well we would first have to agree on what "truth" is...and it appears to me your version of it includes whatever bullshit emanates from Palins spin doctors.For instance you accept as holy writ her version of being savaged by the national media in an ideological attack.While in my version the media did its due dilligence and merely covered the unveiling of her as an empty skirt with little in the way of ideas and less to offer in actual policy and intelligence than your average high school student.

Mike,

You are certainly welcome to your own opinion. But, as I've said before (and it's not original with me), you are not welcome to your own facts.

Firm
Why not...it certainly seems treasure and you(not to mention Palin herself) certainly avail yourselves of them.

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RE: Palin to resign as governor - 7/7/2009 10:38:30 AM   
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speaking as an ob nurse... what a freakin idiot!!

Yes indeed...assuming of course that Palin's water in fact broke in Dallas, as opposed to, say, her daughter's back in Wasilla.  Under the latter scenario, her actions make perfect sense--hurrying home to witness the birth of her first grandchild, Trig.

No records have been disclosed to support (or deny) either scenario. 

We do, however, have Bristol's months-long absence from high school prior to Trig's birth, allegedly due to a prolonged case of mono.

Oh! Gees! I missed this one!

So ... you are making the claim that Bristol is actually Trig's mother?

Firm

Do you see that claim in my post?  You do know what the word "scenario" means, yes?


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RE: Palin to resign as governor - 7/7/2009 10:42:02 AM   
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... I'm just responding to Firm's statement that there's no evidence your sources are right-wing blogs. He said something to the  effect that "there's little evidence (you guys) are getting your information from right wing blogs", and I said that's what you were quoting.

Bull hockey, Panda.

That's not even close to what I said, and it's in plain as day in my post, easy to actually quote and read.


Really? Then let's  do that. I said -

quote:

If you spend a lot of time browsing wacko conservative blogs like the one Heretic posted, you're probably going to see a lot of focus on poor Sarah and how persecuted she is


.Here's what you said -

quote:

You are assuming facts not in evidence about either my or Heretics reading habits.


Can you explain how the statement -

quote:

He said something to the  effect that "there's little evidence (you guys) are getting your information from right wing blogs"


...is "not even close to what you said?"


I'm not sure if I can make the distinction any clearer to you. Perhaps this is a case where our words and what is in our minds differ enough that we aren't even arguing the same point.

What you actually said was:

I think it's more a measure of the sources you read. If you spend a lot of time browsing wacko conservative blogs like the one Heretic posted,

This comment - to me - indicated that both Heretic and I read only confirmatory material and therefore miss actual, newsworthy material on subjects that might shed light on the reasons that Palin is so hated.

But (while I can't speak for Heretic, although I believe it likely true), I read quite widely in general news sources, on "left" leaning sources and blogs, but actually only on a few "right" leaning blogs. As well, I read books, magazines and newspapers (is "The Atlantic" or the Atlanta Journal Constitution too "right wing wacko conservative" for you?)

So, your assumption that we confine ourselves to only "wacko conservative blogs" is very much incorrect.

My statement was only that I believed you were not correct in your appreciation of our reading habits:

You are assuming facts not in evidence about either my or Heretics reading habits.

You then say:

Considering such blogs are the only sources Heretic cites, and considering that your primary role in this thread has been to support his position (without citing any sources of your own), I'd say there is, indeed, sufficient evidence to support my assumption.

Which is an interesting way to again attempt to undermine our arguments or positions without actually using insulting words. Your intent was clear, however.

So ... truthfully, I'm not sure why this particular exchange has got your bee in a bonnet. I wasn't particularly offended, nor did I attempt to make such a big deal about it. I know it's not true, and hopefully my words and analysis and sources speak for themselves.

So I'm not sure why you wish to make such a big deal out of our reading habits.


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As I said before, you disappoint me. Normally, you make clear the differences between facts and opinion, but when it comes to anything "Palin" you seem to lose all coherence and logic.



And you've disappointed me even more. I used to respect you as someone who was at least trying to argue from a position of intellectual honesty. There was a value in arguing with you, because to engage you meant that one had to examine their own position closely for internal flaws. Now it's just become tiresome. It's like having a bedtime argument with a child who insists that since you told him he could stay up until 9 PM, and it's not 9 PM yet in Hawaii, you should have specifically stated you meant 9 PM here in Oklahoma. It's not stimulating anymore, it's just irritating. And it's a complete waste of time.

If, in the past, my comments and analysis lead you to do a deeper analysis of your positions, then I respectfully suggest that you do so as well, in this case.

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RE: Palin to resign as governor - 7/7/2009 10:44:17 AM   
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Well we would first have to agree on what "truth" is...and it appears to me your version of it includes whatever bullshit emanates from Palins spin doctors.For instance you accept as holy writ her version of being savaged by the national media in an ideological attack.While in my version the media did its due dilligence and merely covered the unveiling of her as an empty skirt with little in the way of ideas and less to offer in actual policy and intelligence than your average high school student.

Mike,

You are certainly welcome to your own opinion. But, as I've said before (and it's not original with me), you are not welcome to your own facts.

Firm
Why not...it certainly seems treasure and you(not to mention Palin herself) certainly avail yourselves of them.

Show me a single fact that either of us have stated that is incorrect, please.

Firm

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RE: Palin to resign as governor - 7/7/2009 10:45:46 AM   
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speaking as an ob nurse... what a freakin idiot!!

Yes indeed...assuming of course that Palin's water in fact broke in Dallas, as opposed to, say, her daughter's back in Wasilla.  Under the latter scenario, her actions make perfect sense--hurrying home to witness the birth of her first grandchild, Trig.

No records have been disclosed to support (or deny) either scenario. 

We do, however, have Bristol's months-long absence from high school prior to Trig's birth, allegedly due to a prolonged case of mono.

Oh! Gees! I missed this one!

So ... you are making the claim that Bristol is actually Trig's mother?

Firm

Do you see that claim in my post?  You do know what the word "scenario" means, yes?



ahhh ... so now ... you are disavowing the claim?

So why was it made?

To simply besmirch her reputation again? Make a claim, and then claim you didn't make the claim?

Neat!

Firm

edited to add:

Ohhh, I get it ... an innuendo attack!

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RE: Palin to resign as governor - 7/7/2009 11:03:07 AM   
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Well we would first have to agree on what "truth" is...and it appears to me your version of it includes whatever bullshit emanates from Palins spin doctors.For instance you accept as holy writ her version of being savaged by the national media in an ideological attack.While in my version the media did its due dilligence and merely covered the unveiling of her as an empty skirt with little in the way of ideas and less to offer in actual policy and intelligence than your average high school student.

Mike,

You are certainly welcome to your own opinion. But, as I've said before (and it's not original with me), you are not welcome to your own facts.

Firm
Why not...it certainly seems treasure and you(not to mention Palin herself) certainly avail yourselves of them.

Show me a single fact that either of us have stated that is incorrect, please.

Firm
Boy am I glad you asked....my last post was dashed off...and incomplete(multi-tasking here) This gives me a chance to complete it....
Lets look at another thread here...its the most recent example and easier to access...
"Not a complete list of what would remain, but essentially national defense, trade, and international relations, not to mention the federal justice system (though I'd cut on that some, too).  In essence, you'd end up with a governmental body that basically handles only those things where the States need to be represented as a whole.

Kinda like what the founding Fathers had in mind.  "

This was a post made by Treasure .....now it is a "fact" that the certain members of the Founding Fathers preferred,or if you like envisioned, a loose confederation of autonomous states....with the majority of power residing in the states......But it is also true that a like number of the "Fathers" saw the need for a strong central gov. and that the lack of such a central authority would soon see the newly minted Confederation spin off into completely seperate entities.
Now what Treasure did to "fit" her argument was present the Founding Fathers as one monolithic think tank all pulling in one direction.She stated an incomplete fact...and presented as truth
When in fact nothing could be further from the truth.....facts can help us arrive at truth.....or when used in this fashion "facts" can serve to hide and distort the "truth".
This is where your slant starts to come into play,where you and treasure start cherry picking only the facts that support your arguments while disregarding those that might tend to muddy your case.

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RE: Palin to resign as governor - 7/7/2009 11:07:55 AM   
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Status: offline 		I would like my post removed from that cluster, Firm. I cannot, nor did i ever once, state if she was or was not the mother. Certain facts can be questionable, but, without proof i would never question. My comment in your post was about her traveling at that time (after her water broke), a clear contraindication that would have been made by anyone in the medical field... or.. i should say... should have been made. I would seriously be questioning the GP who said it was ok.

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RE: Palin to resign as governor - 7/7/2009 11:32:06 AM   
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Yes indeed...assuming of course that Palin's water in fact broke in Dallas, as opposed to, say, her daughter's back in Wasilla.  Under the latter scenario, her actions make perfect sense--hurrying home to witness the birth of her first grandchild, Trig.

No records have been disclosed to support (or deny) either scenario. 

We do, however, have Bristol's months-long absence from high school prior to Trig's birth, allegedly due to a prolonged case of mono.

Oh! Gees! I missed this one!

So ... you are making the claim that Bristol is actually Trig's mother?

Firm

Do you see that claim in my post?  You do know what the word "scenario" means, yes?



ahhh ... so now ... you are disavowing the claim?

So why was it made?

To simply besmirch her reputation again? Make a claim, and then claim you didn't make the claim?

Neat!

Firm

edited to add:

Ohhh, I get it ... an innuendo attack!


Still having that problem with reading comprehension eh?  Try looking up "claim", and then "scenario".  There are several online dictionaries available.  Let me know if you need links for any.  Or help distinguishing the difference between the two. 

Once you've cleared up your confusion, we can talk.


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RE: Palin to resign as governor - 7/7/2009 11:43:10 AM   
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Status: offline 		Now, as far as Palin being a ditz... she has proved that herself.

The Pledge of Allegiance was written in 1892 by Francis Bellamy (1855-1931). Bellamy's original Pledge read, "I Pledge Allegiance to my Flag and the Republic for which it stands, one nation indivisible with liberty and justice for all."

While the phrase "under God" was officially incorporated into the Pledge of Allegiance in 1954, it had been in earlier use. The man to first initiate the addition of "under God" to the Pledge was Louis A. Bowman (1872-1959). At a meeting on February 12, 1948, Lincoln's Birthday, he led the Society in reciting the Pledge with two words added, "under God."

These are facts quickly retrieved by any search on line.

It was written as an ad campaign for a childrens magazine to sell flags. The original pledge was...I pledge allegiance to my Flag and the Republic for which it stands, one nation indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. As the story goes, it was changed, but, earlier than 1954. The story is an interesting one.

When Palin was asked

11. Are you offended by the phrase “Under God” in the Pledge of Allegiance? Why or why not?

Her response...

SP: Not on your life. If it was good enough for the founding fathers, its good enough for me and I’ll fight in defense of our Pledge of Allegiance.

The response was not well thought out, sadly. Not everyone knows that particular part of history. Most, if asked, would possibly say something like "I am a god-fearing man/woman, and I support my country" or something along those lines(blame my southern roots for my supposition).

Palin gets into such a rush to prove her desire to live life by her beliefs, that she often stumbles and ends up making these kinds of comments, adding fuel to the fire. Its a case of not knowing, and not being smart enough to understand you may not know it all, and a soft, short answer would probably be the wisest course of action.

then again, its just my opinion.

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RE: Palin to resign as governor - 7/7/2009 11:46:44 AM   
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Now, as far as Palin being a ditz... she has proved that herself.

The Pledge of Allegiance was written in 1892 by Francis Bellamy (1855-1931). Bellamy's original Pledge read, "I Pledge Allegiance to my Flag and the Republic for which it stands, one nation indivisible with liberty and justice for all."

While the phrase "under God" was officially incorporated into the Pledge of Allegiance in 1954, it had been in earlier use. The man to first initiate the addition of "under God" to the Pledge was Louis A. Bowman (1872-1959). At a meeting on February 12, 1948, Lincoln's Birthday, he led the Society in reciting the Pledge with two words added, "under God."

These are facts quickly retrieved by any search on line.

It was written as an ad campaign for a childrens magazine to sell flags. The original pledge was...I pledge allegiance to my Flag and the Republic for which it stands, one nation indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. As the story goes, it was changed, but, earlier than 1954. The story is an interesting one.

When Palin was asked

11. Are you offended by the phrase “Under God” in the Pledge of Allegiance? Why or why not?

Her response...

SP: Not on your life. If it was good enough for the founding fathers, its good enough for me and I’ll fight in defense of our Pledge of Allegiance.

The response was not well thought out, sadly. Not everyone knows that particular part of history. Most, if asked, would possibly say something like "I am a god-fearing man/woman, and I support my country" or something along those lines(blame my southern roots for my supposition).

Palin gets into such a rush to prove her desire to live life by her beliefs, that she often stumbles and ends up making these kinds of comments, adding fuel to the fire. Its a case of not knowing, and not being smart enough to understand you may not know it all, and a soft, short answer would probably be the wisest course of action.

then again, its just my opinion.


You forgot her not being able to name what magazines she reads, not knowing what the function of the VP is, etc.


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RE: Palin to resign as governor - 7/7/2009 11:51:12 AM   
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Status: offline 		Could anyone ever actually forget that loki.....a V.P. candidate....who would have bombed out on that game show with 5th graders......sickening.

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RE: Palin to resign as governor - 7/7/2009 11:55:26 AM   
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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u
Could anyone ever actually forget that loki.....a V.P. candidate....who would have bombed out on that game show with 5th graders......sickening.


I was thinking first graders personally.


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RE: Palin to resign as governor - 7/7/2009 11:57:28 AM   
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Status: offline 		In a way, i feel sorry for her. She didnt seem to realize what she was getting into, at least to me. A soccer mom, then city council member, then mayor, then governor, then VP hopeful. In many ways, i feel she was hung out to dry. They waited till the last minute to bring her in, barely vetted, and almost immediately she was thrust into a lime light i know i could not handle. Was that the GOP's intention to throw away the election? I dont know. Sure seems that way. Imagine having every moment of your life suddenly thrust beneath a microscope, people you have never met making assumptions about you and yours. Im sure she did alot of backpeddaling, wishing she hadnt said this, wishing she had known more about that before speaking. I would have in her position.

The snow ball effect on her life has been incredible. She simply wasnt ready.

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