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RE: How to stop rust ? - 7/4/2009 12:09:31 PM   
PeterJay


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Status: offline 		How to Keep Tools From Rusting Moisture and steel. Bad combination. On my hammers, Use gun bluing then burnish the surface with 0000 steel wool to give it a shine. The bluing helps keep rust at bay, but to insure that my tools remain pristine, Use, sparingly, Butcher's Wax or Renaissance Wax for the final hard finish. In a rather wet basement, tools rarely rust. When they do, it is on the working surfaces that  forgot to be recoated. AIso, wax surface plates, heads, stakes, band saw and drill press tables, lathe ways, bench pin, mandrels, scratch brush extension spindle, and other assorted steel tools. Before bluing and waxing, make sure all moisture has been eliminated from the tool by heating it on top of a radiator or with a heat gun. Tools need extra protection, for they are all exposed for quick and easy access. Oil and penetrating fluids tend to attract too much dust and abrasive elements that may be planished into a pristine piece of silver. Though most penetrating fluids do a good job driving moisture away, they can be toxic.

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RE: How to stop rust ? - 7/4/2009 3:46:16 PM   
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Status: offline 		I have cleaned  metal items by working them into the soil of my yard.  It helps clean them.  Then- I also use baking soda to clean nearly anything.

A greasy pan?   Crumpled newspaper, then I grab a coffee filter-- the grounds wont hurt the pan-and some gounds going down the drain not a problem.

A rusty tool-- means you are not using it enough.

I have cleaned silver bullion with baking soda as well.   Heck- I use straight baking soda to brush my teeth with.  I sprinke it on counters - ants eat it and blow up.

Works on dishes too.



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RE: How to stop rust ? - 7/4/2009 5:13:07 PM   
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Status: offline 		Harsh marine environment? God only knows. I'm finishing rehabbing a 35 year old beach house. Anything that could rust, did. Every outlet, switch and socket has been replaced. Steel wheels in sliding doors have rusted off totally in cases, replaced all the wheels. Come fall, I'm replacing tracks that are beyond hope. Lucky to get a dishwasher to last five years before seeing rust.

Seal this room up tight and run an air conditioner in summer, dehumidifier in cold weather. And keep polishing everything before putting it away in silver cloth. http://www.nancysilver.com/storage/wraps/silvercloth.htm

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RE: How to stop rust ? - 7/4/2009 5:25:51 PM   
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Status: offline 		Penetrating fluid. Water Displacement fortieth attempt and other stuff, SG85 I have tried, they displace water, but I have found are no good in protecting bare steel. It is too thin and as PeterJay suggested, they do attract problems, for I have had items rust even with a water displacement product.. PeterJay understands what contaminants can do to silver, hence I will look into his sugestions.. The truth would be, given the plastics we have, could technology replace the tools of the past., but then, if it could, would the tool suppliers take up the new stuff, given that those that know and supply tools for specialist purposes, tend to be more traditional in their approach.

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RE: How to stop rust ? - 7/4/2009 7:15:40 PM   
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RE: How to stop rust ? - 7/5/2009 2:20:07 PM   
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I got a problem, I am a silversmithing student and I have a bunch of tools which need to be kept highly polished at all times, but my place is kind of damp and everything rusts quickly. I am looking for a way I can stop my tools going rusty in between using them, any ideas. Even grease, finger grease and stuff seems to start etching the metal. I have in the past oiled the tools, but there is something in oils that attacks, so have given up with that idea. Is there anything available that can stop corrosion happening in between uses, or has my time have to be sent polishing the striking faces instead of actually making stuff.


Move to a place less damp.

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RE: How to stop rust ? - 7/5/2009 4:10:42 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Aneirin

Penetrating fluid. Water Displacement fortieth attempt and other stuff, SG85 I have tried, they displace water, but I have found are no good in protecting bare steel. It is too thin and as PeterJay suggested, they do attract problems, for I have had items rust even with a water displacement product.. PeterJay understands what contaminants can do to silver, hence I will look into his sugestions..

I cannot bare witness to what happens with tools but as a man whose swords and armor are his tools I can never recommend WD any number.  People find themselves amazed by how much faster the rust returns after they clean it off with those products.  A light machine oil or renaissance wax are far superior to those products.  I have seen swords and armor literally rust over night after being cleaned with the wd crap and coated in it. 
It might be a case of clean and oil the tools before storing them and wipe them clean before using them.  That is the best way I have found to deal with the tools of my trade.

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RE: How to stop rust ? - 7/5/2009 11:32:20 PM   
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Status: offline 		Keep the tools in a relatively closed environment (airtight isn't needed) with mothballs. ?the mothballs are camphor, which will vaporize, and coat the metal. mt grandfather was a master apprentice toolmaker before he went into management.

Option 2: there's a product called Tetra Gun. it's intended, not surprisingly, for firearms. Coat the metal in the oil (it will bead up, and look pretty useless) then heat it in an oven. 160-180F is fine, it won't hurt the temper at all. After heating and cooling, the Tetra Gun will have bonded with the metal. If it keeps copper from fixing itself to steel under umpteen atmospheres pressure, eleventy hundred degrees temperature, and 10,000 rpm by 3000 fps, it should keep your fingerprints at bay.


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RE: How to stop rust ? - 7/5/2009 11:37:58 PM   
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Status: offline 		I'm with Popeye here, 3-in-1 oil or wd-40. I've used it on knives and it keeps them rust free, even wghen stored in an old woodshed that is pretty much open to the elements.

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RE: How to stop rust ? - 7/6/2009 2:51:57 PM   
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Status: offline 		The other day- I was bopping around in the kitchen... and I knocked over a glass fry pan.  It broke into a dozen pieces.  Somehow I seem to always break glass.  (may be the carpal tunnel)   Those fry pans are sort of expensive.

But - there is good news about that.  The pan was dirty when it broke!    So- that made me feel better.  LIke if I had washed it up and THEN it broke- then I cleaned it for nothing.

Sometimes the way you look at something can effect the mood.   :-)

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RE: How to stop rust ? - 7/7/2009 4:42:34 AM   
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Status: offline 		I found a way for now, I recovered the leather of my old torn leather jacket, it having plenty of preserving oils in it from me conditioning the leather over a few years, I have wrapped the shiny tools in the leather and tied them. So far, two days in, no rust, no sign of it, the greying of the metal.

As a metal smith, not always is one using the same tools, one day it might be beating work, in which case it is the hammers, another day it might be fabrication work in which case it is pliers, saws and soldering tools. Metal smithing, is very heavy on tool requirement, and as it is, most of my tools are adapted from other things, but they work and that is the important bit.


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RE: How to stop rust ? - 7/7/2009 5:18:26 PM   
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Status: offline 		I have not read all the answers to this question but I bought a tube of stuff once that removed rust from my stucco balcony as the metal plant stand had dripped from rain water and made rust on the stucco...but this all makes me think of the Neil Young song "Rust Never Sleeps".....sorry..couldn't help myself! 

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RE: How to stop rust ? - 7/10/2009 6:41:17 AM   
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Status: offline 		The base of US Navy ships don't rust in sea water because an electric pulse is discharged to stop ionization. See what it can do for your tools. I hope you don't get shocked or get a big electric bill.

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