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SentForu -> Hypnosis (8/22/2004 7:00:46 PM)

I have read a little, here and there, about it. Though, not much at all. I also read a profile in collarme, where a Dom claims to possess the ability to use hypnosis in D/s. Just how much of this is actual BS?

Thanks in advance,

Myra



compes -> RE: Hypnosis (8/22/2004 8:26:21 PM)

Hypnosis is the art of suggestion only. You can't make someone do something that they don't want to do.

I understand it is possible to change the way that suggestable people perceive sensation. It's possible you could mute pain, or make it more intense.

It is also possible to use hypnosis to create "false memories" - which was done unintentionally with quiet a lot of people by investigators trying to recover memories by "regression."

Other reputable links to look at:
http://www.hypnosis-research.org/hypnosis/index.html
http://www.asch.net/

Compes



ScorpioMaster -> RE: Hypnosis (8/23/2004 7:06:48 AM)

I found out I was able to hypnosis by accident and I have been able to do it about four times over the years but have not played with it much. Hypnosis is something you need to be very careful for you can cause the patient to go into a psychosis if you do not bring them out too quick. Once I found out I was able to do I read up on it and for that little reason I do not mess with it as much.



knees2you -> RE: Hypnosis (8/23/2004 7:07:55 AM)

Myra, My Mom got hypnotized to quit smoking.
She has been smoke free for over 20 years~

Sincerely, Anthony[;)]

quote:

"No I'm not affraid of Who's behind the door~"



Estring -> RE: Hypnosis (8/23/2004 11:20:08 PM)

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you need to be very careful for you can cause the patient to go into a psychosis if you do not bring them out too quick.


Why do people continue to make hypnosis this deep dark thing? If you don't bring a person out of hypnosis, they will fall asleep and eventually wake up. They do not go into any psychosis. I have hypnotized myself many, many times, and if I was tired, I have just fallen asleep and woke up later.



afmvdp -> RE: Hypnosis (8/24/2004 8:10:49 AM)

Some people don't understand the concepts of meditation...hypnotism can only work if the person desires the change. Some people like to think of it as the men turned into chickens on stage...but it's not quite like that in reality. It's all about the power of suggestion overwhelming natural inhibitions.



dixiedumpling -> RE: Hypnosis (8/24/2004 8:47:53 AM)

When I was in college, it was pretty common to get a hypnotist as entertainment. Someone I knew was picked to go up and be hypnotized. The entertainer gave him an onion and told him it was an orange. He ate it. He said later that it was the best orange that he had ever eaten.

afmvdp is correct that a willing subject is required. You can't be hypnotized if your mind resists it. There used to be all sorts of programs for quitting smoking, sticking to diets that included hypnotism. For that to work, the subject had to be willing for it to work. It's my opinion that for you to do something, you have to be willing or want it. Hypnotism is just a tool to help you do what you already want to do.

Who thought up the way to spell 'hypnotism', anyway? If were in charge of spelling, it would be a lot different.



stef -> RE: Hypnosis (8/24/2004 9:03:47 AM)

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ORIGINAL: dixiedumpling

Who thought up the way to spell 'hypnotism', anyway? If were in charge of spelling, it would be a lot different.

An British doctor named James Braid coined the term 'neuro-hypnotism' in 1842, and it has been shortened in popular use to 'hypnotism'. The root of the word is based on the greek word 'hypnos', wich means 'sleep'.

~stef



afmvdp -> RE: Hypnosis (8/24/2004 11:21:46 AM)

May I say there is nothing more attractive than an intelligent woman. Then again my night of erotica is watching the science channel.



stef -> RE: Hypnosis (8/24/2004 12:09:33 PM)

Why, thank you.

Intelligence has always been at the top of the list of qualities I look for in a person. It's incredibly sexy!
~stef



knees2you -> RE: Hypnosis (8/26/2004 11:38:29 AM)

Hypnosis, as [:)]Afmvdp put it, is exactly
that. You have to be careful~

I was Hypnotized for Gambling. It worked. But then I
am submissive so anything would work on me~
He he he.

Sincerely, eyesofAslave[;)]

quote:

"It's funny how we can still see, Yet we are blind~"

[image]local://upfiles/19655/7B607D0CDA824C22B8D597F9471F7548.jpg[/image]



lillpurr29 -> RE: Hypnosis (9/2/2004 9:31:14 PM)

Hypnosis can be a wonderful, sensual, bonding experience, though to be used with caution. I'm not sure how the online stuff works, but this last year I was involved with a man that used this as a tool. The first couple of months, yes..it sounds foolish, but I was ignorant of what was going on. These suggestions did not work over night, but through a persistent time frame of months and being with him face to face.
Unfortunately, some of the suggestions did take hold after a time. To tell one that no one else will make you feel like this, you will never find another...day in and day out...among other things, does some damage. Especially when the one that had this hold on me, would not commit and was busy pursuing other women. It took alot of effort, support and hurt to pull away from this situation.
What do I feel now? I love the feeling...I could go into a trance very easy after a while and just feel. Could be a wonderful experience over time with the right partner. Have learned not to trust as much and to be weary though.



sting516 -> RE: Hypnosis (9/6/2004 2:59:51 PM)

The idea of submission through hypnosis is fun for me...though i've never done it...i do know for a fact that i'm very susceptible to hypnosis, as i was once hypnotized on national TV to the point where i couldn't say my own name...i'd love to incorporate this into D/s somehow.


sting



NoCalOwner -> RE: Hypnosis (9/6/2004 3:22:04 PM)

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ORIGINAL: sfgrrl
Intelligence has always been at the top of the list of qualities I look for in a person. It's incredibly sexy!


Isn't it, though? Makes me want to start giving lessons immediately.

Often makes one a worse hypnosis subject, however.



Whipenrod -> RE: Hypnosis (9/8/2004 4:29:36 PM)

I just found this thread--and coincidentally I have just started using hypnosis in sessions. I was surprised at how quickly my sub went under---until I realized the trust and confidence he had already placed in me
I haven't done anything with it yet--just took him under and brought him out again.

Background--I've always been a vampire fetishist, so naturally I've been interested in hypnosis for a long time. I finally put the two together (hypnosis and BDSM) when I found the book "Look Into My Eyes" and --well, why not. ((I have actually been hynotizing for a long time--except they call it 'guided meditations' where I come from. If you realize it--it's hypnosis--and through imagery you can take people on some wonderful journeys.))

The book is fantastic--and deals with the powerful effects hypnosis can have in the bedroom and BDSM play.

If there is trust--then a lot can be accomplished. And--unlike some other experiences people have had here--you really need to know your hypnosis guide. I haven't known my sub that long, so in trance I am always going to say "you will remember everything that went on when you wake up."

If the sessions get to the point of post-hypnotic suggestion to experiment I'll ask him if he minds not knowing what I've asked him to do--I'm sure he'll agree, as the trust is there already. (And if it's something that the subject doesn't want to do--something that violates a core principle --they cannot/will not do it. Hypnosis does not have that type of control.)

What if someone has no will of their own--what if they gave it all away to a very controlling Master that demanded total obedience? Then I can see hypnosis suggestions --maybe not in the subject's best interest?--perhaps having effect because it was a core will of the subject. They gave the Master the power to begin with. The groundwork was already there.

--Lady Whipenrod



Whipenrod -> RE: Hypnosis (9/8/2004 4:37:47 PM)

A Ps to NOCAlOwner

My sub that I am hypnotizing is extreemly intelligent. I think it has to do with imagination (artistic too perhaps?), and willingness to trust--not the intelligence level (although if you get someone who can't stop analyzing things--they are 'too much in the head' and that will keep anyone from trancing.

I consider myself intelligent too--and I listen to hypnosis tapes myself (check out the Hemisync website) all the time--very effective!



Suleiman -> RE: Hypnosis (9/9/2004 8:11:48 PM)

Back when I was actually involved in the local scene, about a decade ago, there was a fellow whom I had met once or twice who had undergone a series of posthypnotic suggestions for "magic cuffs" - purely imaginary, but if the top spoke the secret password, they would become completely real for him, until either the top spoke the second password to remove them, or he used his safeword to get them off. Obviously, this is a secret game he only played with a few close friends, but I actually knew a couple of tops who had been given permission to use the "magic cuffs" so I consider this information, while only anecdotal, to be fairly likely to be true.

This does involve a fairly competent hypnotist and a deep level of somatic trance. It also requires that the person being hypnotised actually want the suggestion to be real - although this desire need not be a conscious one. In some cases it may require several sessions in a lighter trance state to "sell" the idea to the vic... er... subject before they become willing to accept such a powerful command, but the rest is essentially a powerful, guided form of confabulation.

I've heard about hypnosis causing psychotic breaks, but for the most part, unless the person is seriously damaged to begin with (and thus already prone to such problems), that won't happen. Most of those stories are urban myth - just a new variation of the "instant zombification" that hypnosis was believed to be a few decades ago. Its easy to come up with worst case scenarios about things you don'[t understand, and truthfully, no one actuallty understands the mechanism of hypnosis. We can gauge it, catalogue it, prove that it exists, but we still don't know WHY or HOW. It's more voodoo than science, but we've been documenting it and studying it for over a century now.

Personally, in my opinion, the best place for hypnosis is in roleplay. If you and your partner have strong imaginations, it can be a hell of a lot of fun to pretend to be hypnotised or to hypnotise someone else. It's also a lot less work than trying to do it for real.

~S



WayHome -> RE: Hypnosis (9/10/2004 6:30:36 AM)

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a powerful, guided form of confabulation.


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I have actually been hynotizing for a long time--except they call it 'guided meditations' where I come from.


It's nice to see people with such an excellent grasp of hypnosis. So often in the popular media and even in professional circles people have so little clue. I have very vivid impressions from the days when so many patients were "remembering" incidents of child molestation under hypnosis and families were being literally destroyed by well-meaning counselors. It was one of several factors that lead to my adandoning the field altogether.

Leto



ShrewWhisperer -> RE: Hypnosis (9/10/2004 9:07:29 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Estring

quote:

you need to be very careful for you can cause the patient to go into a psychosis if you do not bring them out too quick.


Why do people continue to make hypnosis this deep dark thing? If you don't bring a person out of hypnosis, they will fall asleep and eventually wake up. They do not go into any psychosis. I have hypnotized myself many, many times, and if I was tired, I have just fallen asleep and woke up later.


Holy Nipple Clamps Batman...estring and I agree on something.

The worst that can happen if you bring someone up too fast is they will get a good sized headache, --like being woke up in the middle of a dream cycle.

with the orginal question: Rule of thumb, people claiming anything, it's bunk til you see them do it, --everything is possible, and there are liars everywhere, so always go with the proof in the pudding method of life...and follow your nose, if someone claims an ability and it smells like bunk...well for you it probably always will be, cuz even if they can do it you'll start 2nd guessing if it was a fluke afterward. If you are one of the super-small minority who can change their opinion based on the facts presented to you, then test out what you want to know and live a happy life cuz you can go to sleep knowing something...which beats bejesus out of the vast majority of humankind.



Sinergy -> RE: Hypnosis (9/11/2004 9:17:24 PM)

The joy of wasting my youth included studying and practicing hypnosis.

You will not convince a person they are gay when they are actually straight using hypnosis. You will also be unable to hypnotize a person who is extremely smart or extremely dull. Should you hypnotize a person you will be unable to make them do something they are not willing to do unhypnotized.

It can be useful (in the way that meditation is useful) to help a person who wants X to happen make X happen, but if they dont want X to happen it wont.

Clear as mud?

Sinergy



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