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RE: Are there any smokers here? U have to try this!!! - 7/10/2009 5:54:19 AM

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But what is it that can cause lung cancer, is it the nicotine, or the tar from inhaling smouldering vegetable matter ?

I ask this due to the understanding that nicotine is nicotinic acid, which is niacin, vitamin B3, does niacin cause cancer ?

If it is the latter, tar, then a modern method of imbibing nicotine might be an alternative acceptable method of taking the pleasures of what used to be smoking. Nicotine addicts need not quit if they like it, bollocks to what the I am holier than thou type people think, it is none of their business, and it is not harming them, they can get their dose from normal food.

Or is it something about the primitiveness of creating fire and setting light to dead plants to extract their chemicals that keeps us, primitivity in a modern world.

Thinking about it though, how often in this modern world do you actually see a raw naked flame.

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RE: Are there any smokers here? U have to try this!!! - 7/10/2009 6:11:34 AM

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Dunno, but a doctor at a hopsital dealing with a lung cancer ptient told me to look this up:

(from wiki):

The carcinogenic properties of nicotine in standalone form, separate from tobacco smoke, have not been evaluated by the IARC, and it has not been assigned to an official carcinogen group. The currently available literature indicates that nicotine, on its own, does not promote the development of cancer in healthy tissue and has no mutagenic properties. However, nicotine and the increased cholinergic activity it causes have been shown to impede apoptosis, which is one of the methods by which the body destroys unwanted cells (programmed cell death). Since apoptosis helps to remove mutated or damaged cells that may eventually become cancerous, the inhibitory actions of nicotine may create a more favourable environment for cancer to develop, though this also remains to be proven.[41][unreliable source?]

Now, I have to say, as someone who smoked way too much? There is no defense for selling nicotine in other forms, period.

an actively addicted brain is an addictively addicted brain. any product that uses the primary addiction with that product coming from the makers of the addiction, well, it's a con job.

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RE: Are there any smokers here? U have to try this!!! - 7/10/2009 6:18:47 AM

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Without reading the whole thread, my younger brother and father both use the ecigarette. They have both almost weaned themselves off of real cigarettes in just over a month, and both were very heavy smokers. They have major health issues and my dad just had a mild heart attack (he didnt know he had had it until he went to the doctor) and so he was told in no uncertain terms that he needed to stop smoking. My brother is trying to stop to make suer he doesnt develop what my dad already has. They have smoked around me, and aside from a slight smell depeding on what flavor the cartridge is that they are using (Dad is partial to citrus) there is no unpleasant smell. There is no residue and no real perceptible smoke. All the physical hang ups of smoking are there... the item in your hand and your mouth, the inhaling and holding and release and even the visual of the red ember at the end.

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RE: Are there any smokers here? U have to try this!!! - 7/10/2009 6:22:42 AM

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ORIGINAL: Aneirin
But what is it that can cause lung cancer, is it the nicotine, or the tar from inhaling smouldering vegetable matter ?

Both. Tar is likely to be a causative agent, whereas nicotine is the stimulating agent.
The small cells of the lungs (lung cancer caused by smoking is always cancer of those small cells) have many nicotine receptors. Ordinarily such cells will not respond to the nicotine, as there are presumably feedback mechanisms that oppose such division. However, when the cell becomes cancerous, the nicotine will stimulate those susceptible cells to divide and divide and divide. Smoking puts the nicotine therefore immediately where it is not wanted. Vitamin B3 in the same dosage cause less cancers.

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RE: Are there any smokers here? U have to try this!!! - 7/10/2009 6:31:10 AM

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an actively addicted brain is an addictively addicted brain. any product that uses the primary addiction with that product coming from the makers of the addiction, well, it's a con job.

Quite.

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RE: Are there any smokers here? U have to try this!!! - 7/10/2009 6:37:19 AM

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Sir Walter Raleigh's fault. There are houses all around this city that used to be his, no doubt obtained by profits from his imports.

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RE: Are there any smokers here? U have to try this!!! - 7/10/2009 6:43:41 AM

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Sir Walter Raleigh's fault. There are houses all around this city that used to be his, no doubt obtained by profits from his imports. "

does not excuse the Cancer Barons in THIS century by trying to maintain their fortunes by selling the Monkey On the Back via a fake cig, Aneirin.

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RE: Are there any smokers here? U have to try this!!! - 7/10/2009 6:01:54 PM

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I tried an e-cigarette tonight, I swapped a rollie for a go.Whilst my pal was savouring my rollie, I trie the electronc thingy. Ok, I am impressed, it meets some of my quitting aid criteria. The taste is ok, bit nothing on a rollie, but the vapour exhaled has got it. Another thing I think might be an added plus, would be the vapour inhaled could do with being warmer.

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RE: Are there any smokers here? U have to try this!!! - 7/10/2009 8:22:30 PM

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       I dunno, Aneirin. I liked that it wasn't quite the same.

     I'm in that odd place right now where, though I quit smoking six weeks (ish) ago, I'm only now breaking with the last of the nicotine. The e-cig is right here, but I haven't used it in a few weeks. I got down to one piece of the nicotine gum per day, and went without that yesterday and today. 72 hours is the mark. At that point, I will actually be nicotine free for the first time since I bought a pack of Marlboro's on my way out of boot camp.

       On the other hand, I snarled at a poor peddler who only wanted to repaint the numbers on the curb in front of my house the other day when I was out of (plain old) gum, and I'm nibbling on curiously strong peppermints three at a time.

       When does quitting become quit, I wonder?

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