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danielle26001 -> why tg women not welcome (7/11/2009 12:07:19 PM)

after reading many profiles find it amazing that tg women not welcome here. Go into chat not as much as a hello to me since am a tg woman while women get all attention. Why is this possible? say everyone welcome here see very different on my end once again why?




subtlebutterfly -> RE: why tg women not welcome (7/11/2009 12:11:30 PM)

oh boy not again[>:]




LadyPact -> RE: why tg women not welcome (7/11/2009 12:14:47 PM)

If TG women weren't welcome here, it wouldn't be one of the available descriptions.  You're not forced to stay off of the site by any means.  By the same token, you can't force people to interact with you.




SylvereApLeanan -> RE: why tg women not welcome (7/11/2009 12:16:44 PM)

First, try the Search feature.  You'll find many past threads on this topic.
 
Second, TG women are welcome here.  There are several long-standing members who are well-spoken and respected contributors to the boards.
 
Third, what you have run into in profiles and chats is personal preference.  There are many who prefer a genetic woman as a partner and do not wish to entertain inquiries from anyone who was not born with a XX chromosome.  That is their right.  Deal with it by moving on to the next person/profile and be glad they were upfront about their desires instead of wasting your time.  Whining about it on the boards will not win you any friends or supporters.




OttersSwim -> RE: why tg women not welcome (7/11/2009 12:20:39 PM)

Welcome to the forums.  [:)]

I think if you are finding that you are not getting much action on the chat rooms here, it is simply due to the mix of the participants.  Mostly males looking for bio females in the chat rooms and not as many that might be interested in a TG person.

TS/TG/TV/CD, etc folk have a smaller pool of people interested in us.  It would be great if we got interest equal to that of biological females or males, but many people just don't work that way. 

There is a difference, we should celebrate it!  But we should also realize that not everyone is gonna be into our uniqueness.




Lockit -> RE: why tg women not welcome (7/11/2009 12:43:31 PM)

I have known men who would, no way, no how, at no time, be with a redhead... redheads were crazy(!) I also met men who thought my skinny bones would wound them if they had sex with me.  There are many who will not accept me, be nice to me and treat me with dignity because of my age and my illness... and add that I live in a mobile home and omg... Jerry Springer dommette!

I am not meaning to belittle your pain!  I know it can be tough out there and some are not kind and you do have some issues that other's may not see in their own life, but isn't one rejection and pain as bad as any other?  Some will be ignorant, some will simply not be interested because of what they want and some will refuse to talk or greet someone.  I have seen all genders and each side of the slash complain about chat rooms not being welcoming and great for the popular regulars and no one else.  It isn't just you. When I spent a lot of time in chats, I saw this and greeted every person I realistically could.  A greeting doesn't mean anything but that I may be friendly, but all of a sudden all types of people took my greeting as a 'come on over and visit me and yes... I just wanna love you and do you'.

I would suggest not taking it personally and finding those who are more welcoming for your own sake.  It is much better to seek the good than hurt from the bad or ignorance or whatever it is.




stella41b -> RE: why tg women not welcome (7/11/2009 3:07:59 PM)

Please don't take this personally, but just how long have you been transgendered?

I'm asking because it's such a popular prejudice that accepting that some people are going to be prejudiced against me came pretty much after the acceptance that I, like you, am a transgendered female. We've all been conditioned to accept the binary male-female pattern in society which makes it so hard to gain acceptance initially of yourself but also from other people when you don't fit either of the two stereotypes shared by everyone else.

You're asking people to understand and accept something which is something completely alien and foreign to them, something which they themselves could never imagine experiencing, and though there are some who try, others who give you the benefit of the doubt, there are others who just refuse to even try and who perceive you as trying to be someone you're not.

I mean let's face it, there's some people out there who have difficulty in coping with being in the gender they were born in let alone the opposite gender.

Not that this makes us a special case over the fat people, lesbians, gays, people on welfare, homeless people, coloured people, the mentally ill, and others who routinely face prejudice and discrimination in their lives.

The prejudice is always going to be there. But the choice whether you're going to let it bring you down and make your life a misery, or find a way of coping with it and even overcoming it, well this is about the only choice you're able to make as someone who is transgendered.




Arpig -> RE: why tg women not welcome (7/11/2009 3:31:32 PM)

You are welcome here, both on the forums and on the profile side. What you are mistaking for being unwelcome is simply encountering people's desires. You don't see me complaining that none of the hot young sub women are interested in an old fart like me, its just the way things are (now if only my Lotto numbers would come up things might change....rewrite my profile: Stinking rich old fart with bad heart seeks trophy sub....think I'd get more hits[;)]), and complaining about it won't change it. Its a simple fact of life that many men (and at least some lesbians, I say some because I simply have no idea of the numbers involved) are uninterested in a non-biological female. It is, live with it.




LadyPact -> RE: why tg women not welcome (7/11/2009 3:44:32 PM)

Stella, a quick word, if you please.

I'm curious about something from your own personal opinion.

Where do you see prejudice end and personal preference in relationships begin?

Undoubtedly, there are prejudices in society, but does it still remain a prejudice if it is something someone can not accept in a dynamic?  Does middle ground come in somewhere along the way?  OK, I'm explaining very poorly.  Let Me try something else.

If, for example, TG women weren't welcome on the site, or at a female only event, something of that nature, I would see it as a prejudice.  Go a step further.  TG women are welcome at a female only event, but some chose to attempt to get to know that female and others don't.  Is that a prejudice?  What about folks who are friendly at gatherings, but not interested in outside friendships?  Carry that to there's a spark in that friendship, but not everyone would carry that spark to a dynamic or romantic relationship. 

I know I'm phrasing what I'm trying to say poorly, but where do you see the line between the various interactions among people?




ETA - It still seems to be coming off badly.  I don't want it to sound like I'm attacking views.  I'm wondering about your personal opinion.




Arpig -> RE: why tg women not welcome (7/11/2009 3:54:45 PM)

HeyLP, I know you addressed your question to Stella, but I will chime in (like I can ever resist poking my nose in where it wasn't asked for eh?). If somebody does not want a romantic/physical relationship with a TG person because they are TG, that I would say is preference. If somebody will not befriend a TG person because they are TG, then that would be prejudice.

P.S. A female only event is a sign of prejudice to begin with, just sayin'....[8|]




beargonewild -> RE: why tg women not welcome (7/11/2009 4:04:30 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: danielle26001

after reading many profiles find it amazing that tg women not welcome here. Go into chat not as much as a hello to me since am a tg woman while women get all attention. Why is this possible? say everyone welcome here see very different on my end once again why?


That's opposite to what I've seen. Sometimes being a new person to the forums it just takes a bit of time for others to know you as a person and vice versa. What I found is you put a little effort out to others and they will give that back.




Toppingfrmbottom -> RE: why tg women not welcome (7/11/2009 4:14:02 PM)

Just because people state in their profile they do not want to date or fuck or do what ever, they're looking to do with a TG does not mean the site itself as a policy does not welcome TG. There's a difference and it'd be a good idea to distinguish the two.


Chat rooms are a gamble, Some people get talked to and others don't. They have a particular flow, and some are chattier and friendlier, and some are not. Some people know each other  in real life and are friends with clusters of other users, and tend to be less friendly to people not in their social click.  If they're that un friendly and inhospitable, go to another chat room and try again, or just consider them all a crap shoot better stayed away from, unless they're specifically for TG or have shown to be friendly.




LadyPact -> RE: why tg women not welcome (7/11/2009 4:19:59 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Arpig

HeyLP, I know you addressed your question to Stella, but I will chime in (like I can ever resist poking my nose in where it wasn't asked for eh?). If somebody does not want a romantic/physical relationship with a TG person because they are TG, that I would say is preference. If somebody will not befriend a TG person because they are TG, then that would be prejudice.

P.S. A female only event is a sign of prejudice to begin with, just sayin'....[8|]



LOL.  I'd never expect it of you.  It keeps the conversation interesting.

I appreciate your input on where the line is in the different type of relationships.

As to the female only event, that's kind of odd.  I know you're a good distance from Me, but don't you guys have such stuff in Canada?  Nothing like a Madam's Brunch or a Ladies Tea?  Do you have SIG (special interest groups) that are geared only toward Dominants, submissives, TNG, or any other type?




beargonewild -> RE: why tg women not welcome (7/11/2009 4:29:02 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Toppingfrmbottom

Just because people state in their profile they do not want to date or fuck or do what ever, they're looking to do with a TG does not mean the site itself as a policy does not welcome TG. There's a difference and it'd be a good idea to distinguish the two.


Chat rooms are a gamble, Some people get talked to and others don't. They have a particular flow, and some are chattier and friendlier, and some are not. Some people know each other  in real life and are friends with clusters of other users, and tend to be less friendly to people not in their social click.  If they're that un friendly and inhospitable, go to another chat room and try again, or just consider them all a crap shoot better stayed away from, unless they're specifically for TG or have shown to be friendly.



Just do not assume that every single person going into a chat room is looking to hook up for the sake of sex. A little humanity and offer of friendship goes a hell of a long way. Just saying yanno.




stella41b -> RE: why tg women not welcome (7/11/2009 5:01:17 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyPact

Where do you see prejudice end and personal preference in relationships begin?



When there's some degree of awareness of the possibility of a relationship forming between two people, or even a simple friendship.

You decide who comes into your life or stays out on the basis of your preferences.

You decide whether someone is acceptable or not on the basis of your prejudices.




Politesub53 -> RE: why tg women not welcome (7/11/2009 5:16:59 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: stella41b


You decide who comes into your life or stays out on the basis of your preferences.

You decide whether someone is acceptable or not on the basis of your prejudices.


Even if you`re right, it doesnt follow that someone who prefers not to have a relationship with a TG is prejudiced.




MistressWolfen -> RE: why tg women not welcome (7/11/2009 5:18:22 PM)

nicely stated stella41b




GYPZYQUEEN -> RE: why tg women not welcome (7/11/2009 5:38:00 PM)

OP:
 
Everyone is welcome here..
It took me being on here about 2 months and making about 300 posts before ppl got to know me..about me..how I ticked..what I was like.

I read many profiles too( hav etalked to about 600 ppl) and could have thought wow.."subs don't want a nurturing..loving  mommy-DOMME"( due to some communications)...but it was not that...there were some who did and some who did not..

I could have thought ..
"gee D men sure don't like D women.( due to some communications) but it was not that..some simply have opinions about such...

.I could have thought ..
"hay they don't like fat ppl on here".( due to getting a message about being a tub of lard and more)
/I could have run away when I got the message that I was a ni99er and should wash this guys floor..

It is all about personality...communicating..standing in
YOUR TRUTH of who you are...and going FWD with ease.
and not taking things personally/
.
It is about finding  friendships.laughter and..lessons and wisdoms in debates..and weeding out the shit..
and sometimes..wow...finding a partner after searching in earnest.

As you post and  interact more Danielle you will get to know us and know you are as welcome as anyone.[:D]

GQ




Toppingfrmbottom -> RE: why tg women not welcome (7/11/2009 5:49:15 PM)

I never did.  I know people chat for many differnt reasons, and I would never assume it was for x y or z, And I still stand by what I said about chat rooms being a gamble. Some are friendlier than others, and some are not so friendly, and if we, as chatters find the rooms in hospitable, or less friendly than we like, find another room and see if this room was friendlier, or decide if chat rooms are where we want to hang out if none of the chat experiences have been satisfying..


Where do you get I assume anything about chat rooms and those going into chat rooms. Unless of course you presumed my statement that people who put profiles on here and do not want to do x y or z,  with TG's or what ever they want to do on here are the same as the websites policy on TG to be some kind of assumption that any one in chat comes to chat for sex, which isn't indicative at all of why people come to chat. Just that personal users who post profiles that say no TG's are not the owner and founder of the websites policy on TG's.


Edited cause I mis spelled some stuff.
quote:

ORIGINAL: beargonewild


Just do not assume that every single person going into a chat room is looking to hook up for the sake of sex. A little humanity and offer of friendship goes a hell of a long way. Just saying yanno.





stella41b -> RE: why tg women not welcome (7/11/2009 5:56:13 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Politesub53

quote:

ORIGINAL: stella41b


You decide who comes into your life or stays out on the basis of your preferences.

You decide whether someone is acceptable or not on the basis of your prejudices.


Even if you`re right, it doesnt follow that someone who prefers not to have a relationship with a TG is prejudiced.


That is so very true.

Just for further clarification and to provide a little further insight the sort of prejudice I'm talking about here is the view that someone is unacceptable as a fellow human being, which is usually based on the assumption that they are deluded, mentally ill or trying to be someone who they're not without knowing that person.

Therefore someone who isn't aware of TG issues or who hasn't had contact with someone who is TG also isn't prejudiced. They just don't understand.




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