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Playing off the bdsm lifestyle with vanillas - 7/12/2009 11:57:19 PM   
littlesarbonn


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One of the funnier things in my current state of affairs is that I'm not really all that out there as a mainstream bdsm player anymore. I used to be. A lot. Now, I've kind of pulled back quite a bit and don't have a lot of ties to the lifestyle that I used to have before. An example of the past is when I was teaching at a university, it was not unique to have some student come up to me and want to know more about my lifestyle she discovered while searching me out on the web. Usually, it ended in an okay situation, but it was something that happened way too frequently for what would have made any usual person all that comfortable.

Well, fast forward a decade or so, and I've pretty much cut down a lot on my involvement, especially when tying my name to it. It's not like I'm embarrassed by it or anything, but it just seems more appropriate to let me screen names get all the connections and glory while my vanilla name stays pretty much in the background. Well, just today I started to notice that old past catching up with me again.

My sister was having a conversation with me about various topics, and one thing she mentioned was that she had read some of my writings online. I was curious as to "which" writings she was referring, and she was talking about the vanilla ones, and then made a comment, "but if someone wanted to, they could have probably found the "other" stuff, too." So, even though she and I have never discussed it, it was pretty obvious that my "other" writings are still connecting to me.

This evening, a close female friend was helping me bring in some boxes; she had kept a lot of my boxes for me when I went overseas recently. She made a comment, "oh, and I have about ten of your books that your wrote under that other name." I perked up immediately because I have used a few names in the past. The name she was referring to was the one in which I wrote my opus of lifestyle slavery. I laughed and said, well, I guess that means she has 10 more copies of them than I do because I don't have any copies of books by that author now. She just smiled and said she'd bring them by when she got a free moment.

The point is: It was pretty obvious that she knew exactly what the subject was of those books, but she didn't make a single point of bringing up the subject in conversation.

So, as it comes time to make a point of this post, I thought I would ask from the rest of you if your lives have reached a point where you have become comfortable with your lifestyles so that it doesn't matter what other people think of it. I mean, we've all seen the posts that ask "how did you handle it when the vanillas found out" but that stuff has been done to death. I'm more curious about those who have been found out a long time ago who have been living with this in their past for awhile. How have things measured up for you with your contacts with the vanilla and lifestyle communities?

I know some of us are pretty deep into the lifestyle, and that makes it a lot easier to acclimate ourselves to our surroundings. I mean, honestly, it's easier to say you're comfortable when everyone around you is into the scene. But a lot of us have been skirting the edges of the community for many years and have crossed over one side or the other, wavering between being embarrassed and being proud, yet never completely planting a foot in either foundation.

So, as time goes on and you've been living with your lifestyle for some time, have you become more comfortable with it? Or do you still have to struggle to feel there's a sense of acceptance?


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RE: Playing off the bdsm lifestyle with vanillas - 7/13/2009 1:53:29 AM   
rayne221


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This is somewhat of a difficult question to answer but i will do my best with it.
Firstly, my lifestyle really is D/s.... not BDSM... having said that -- the D/s lifestyle certainly holds the same taboos as far as many vanillas are concerned.
I also have been raising two boys, they are now 17 and 15. It's been primarily due to them, i have not put myself out there as being active in the lifestyle. I even had a profile one time, with my photo up, on a vanilla dating site... a profile that did not spell out a D/s relationship but strongly alluded to one. After my son came home and said... one of his friend's saw me on the site.. and was teasing him about it... i have removed all identifying photos. It's only and solely to protect them from any 'backlash'. We all know the way kids can be. (And what his friend was doing browsing vanilla adult dating sites... who is to know? ) lol

However, I do have two very close vanilla friends i have known for years. The one, my whole life nearly. The other for abuot 20 years. I have shared with them and told them about my lifestyle and the type of relationship my former Dominant and i shared. What was so funny, was that my friend who had known me my whole life.... asked the question, when i was trying to explain what D/s was.... "You are a Dominatrix"? I just about fell off my chair. Just because she has known me in the vanilla world... she merely assumed i had chosen the Domme role. That amused me to no end. The other friend was somewhat annoyed; she is somewhat a feminsist and took my revelation as almost an insult against the female population despite how greatly i explained to her... the level of respect is found. To her.. any situation where a Man is in charge....is sexist and fundamentally wrong.

I wanted to mentioned something on this thread too though, that while it is not directly about sharing one's lifestyle interests comfortably with the world, it is in fact about just that. I have ...myself, always opposed exhibitionism, unless it is within a lfestyle group of people. IE: Being spanked in public. I have always maintained that the cornerstone of this lifestyle is based on consent. When we move into vanilla environments with our tastes and desires....regardless of how great a fantasy it maybe, vanilla crowds have not 'consented' to observing our chosen behavior and relatedness. At best it makes most very uncomfortable and embarrassed and at worst it causes offense.

I could never, with any self respect or integrity, allow the very lifestyle i do uphold. that i do defend.. and that has enriched my own life so enormously -- be offensive to anyone else's.  I know that this isn't directly related to what you were asking, but i felt it worth sharing nonetheless.

There will come a time, when my boys are of age, and have their own lives.. that i will be 'out there' with my lifestyle. I would love nothing more in fact than be a spokesperson for D/s. I do not wish to put out there that i am any more knowledgable or informed than others.... many would be far more able and better spokespeople than me- it's just that many would not, as you have pointed out... want to put themselves out there...to do so.


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RE: Playing off the bdsm lifestyle with vanillas - 7/13/2009 2:54:31 AM   
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So, as time goes on and you've been living with your lifestyle for some time, have you become more comfortable with it? Or do you still have to struggle to feel there's a sense of acceptance?



I have never been uncomfortable with being me and therefore, what I do or participate in isn't awkward at all.  If one leads by example, then the whole stereotype thing doesn't become an issue.  You and your personality are representatives for the way you live so if you suck as a person, you're lifestyle will suck and it works in reverse.  If you think and behave like somethings dirty or bad, you will make it so.
 
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RE: Playing off the bdsm lifestyle with vanillas - 7/13/2009 2:56:23 AM   
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Yes, I'm very comfortable with it.  Like rayne, I have a D/s relationship and to date I haven't come across anyone that's been anything other than mildly curious.

It's nothing to write home about and is quite a mundane *fact* about us.  Anyone that might matter has known for years, including all of the children. It's about as interesting as anything else about us.......not very.

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RE: Playing off the bdsm lifestyle with vanillas - 7/13/2009 4:49:50 AM   
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I have three different identities and I keep them separate.

I have a vanilla identity.  And I have my DarkSteven identity.  And I have a third as an amateur standup. 

Very few who know me as primarily as a comic know about my other two identities.  Maybe half who know the vanilla me know about the comic side, and none of them know about DarkSteven.  Very few who known about my kinky side know my vanilla side.  It just keeps life less messy.


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RE: Playing off the bdsm lifestyle with vanillas - 7/13/2009 9:12:05 AM   
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For me, I don't really see anything I'm doing as "wrong" or even all that difficult to explain to vanilla people. I generally just don't feel compelled to tell them how far we've taken some concepts. But one of the things that I routinely laugh about is that all Carol & I are doing is what perfectly vanilla songwriters and poets have been writing about for centuries. Carol has decided that she would, "do anything for her lover". Hey, not my fault we took all those poets literally. It's also not a particular stretch to say to a vanilla person, "I just tend to be more authoritative in our relationship and Carol tends to follow my lead." I don't HAVE to use the words master and slave to describe what it is that we do.

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RE: Playing off the bdsm lifestyle with vanillas - 7/13/2009 7:21:30 PM   
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I am just giggling like crazy here!

I was enjoying time with some of my cousins recently, when the subject of kink was brought up by one of them.  I just smiled and listened to their discussion and inserted the proper nod from time to time.  When all of a sudden, all three of them directed their focus to me and "Wanted to know facts, since I've been in the bdsm world pretty much my whole life."  I proceeded to cough and choke on my drink being caught so unaware by their knowledge.  I have never told them of my bdsm choices, but always was there to provide a variety of answers sexually and what not for them.  My first reaction was to deny whatever it was that they were thinking...knee jerk reaction that surprised me almost as the three of them did.  After taking a moment to gather my breath and wipe up my drink, I answered their questions and gave my opinion on the subjects...and didn't comment on them knowing about my bdsm side.  They all started razzing me that I must be the kinkiest person in the world to always be an encyclopedia of knowledge for them over all these years...without giving up details of my life.  I just smiled and ordered another round for my cousins I love dearly...as they changed the subject to mortgages...

I have always been comfortable in my lifestyle choices whether anyone understands or knows of them has always been the interesting part...be them nilla or kinky.  I just found that incident with my cousins comical since they think I'm the kinkiest...which I know darn well I'm not...but that they caught me so unaware like that...and I wanted to deny everything...which I have never done before in my life! 

I knew I was going to like this part of my journey...I just love being surprised...even after 25 years...looking forward to the next 25+ too!




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RE: Playing off the bdsm lifestyle with vanillas - 7/13/2009 7:50:48 PM   
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FR, after read thru

LOL

Yep, I've always been the one that others can ask about sex stuff & get an unembarrassed & informative answer . . . . . & I was way freaky long before I found the out-&-organized kink world . . . . . I was hearing from 'vanillas' that I oughta be a dominatrix probably a decade before I started studying the subject . . . . . I've never been very good at 'normal', whatever that is . .. . .

& getting involved in the 'lifestyle' has been a case of getting more comfortable, feeling more 'at home' with myself . . . . . I rarely feel like I fit in most places, there are only a few subcultures that have felt 'twooly' accepting of me: the kink world & the poets are the notable ones . ... .

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RE: Playing off the bdsm lifestyle with vanillas - 7/13/2009 8:42:03 PM   
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I keep two identities.  I have a vanilla name, but Lady Pact is the one that is used for all of My dealings regarding wiitwd.  I had a scene name prior to coming to GA, but I've never had it linked to anything other than My telling people what it was since I left.  Nothing to find on google, etc.  People know My real name, but at My request, they keep it out of public dungeons, munches, and so on.

This is something that I do that isn't necessarily for Myself.  Again, it's related to that wonderful 'don't ask, don't tell' that I've been mentioning on various threads.  It's possible to link Me to those that I care about and they would suffer the consequences.  I'm proud of being a Dominant.  I'm proud of the things I had the opportunity to do.  The events I've been able to attend, the demos I've given, and everything else I've done over the years.  I'm proud of My poly family, but I would not risk harming them by having My vanilla name brought into it. 

Plus, I'm not especially sure it's the smartest thing for a female Dominant to do these days.  All I need would be somebody knocking on My door that wasn't invited.


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RE: Playing off the bdsm lifestyle with vanillas - 7/13/2009 9:04:40 PM   
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I never made a great effort to hide my kinky life, though I don't exactly volunteer the information. Most of the people I deal with in my day to day life at least have an inkling. I  think that in most cases, they would be uncomfortable if hit in the face with the details, but its not as if I go about wearing a leather hood and body harness. Mostly, I would not want to force attention to it at work, because it would make certain people uncomfortable and may effect my job. For the most part, I will tell anyone anything they ask about, after making sure that they really want to know.




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RE: Playing off the bdsm lifestyle with vanillas - 7/14/2009 5:49:46 AM   
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I am an advocate for being true to yourself- coming to terms with your own feelings and thoughts is a wonderful thing.  Unfortunately, some of us must keep some level of confidentiality for various reasons; work, kids, etc..  I wouldn't openly tell someone I'm a BDSM enthusiast unless they asked my opinions or feelings about it.  My sex life is for me and my partner, and it really isn't anyone elses business, unless I want it to be.

But if someone says something like "oh man, my girl is a crazy in bed" or "i'm a champ in bed", something stupid like that, I will always smile, laugh softly and usually say "you have no idea". Atleast one of my friends knows about my.. ways? as well as my ex, who was my driving force to learn about it in the first place. She liked to be 'taken advantage of' in a consensual bedroom fantasy way, and we soon brought things to a new level through my learnings.  My mom had found some toys in my room when I lived there, but her reponse was "I'm not even gonna ask!"

The only issues I have would be my supervisor seeing it somewhere. But if he did, he can kiss my ass too.

But yeah, I don't have a profile picture yet because #1) I dont have a picture without other people in it (who might not want to be on a BDSM site lol!) and #2) I want to make sure I like the forum before I put my face all over it.

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