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Is Creativity, divinity ? - 7/14/2009 3:16:50 AM

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An interesting, funny and moving talk by the writer Elizabeth Gilbert, ( Eat, Pray, Love) raises some interesting points as to what inspires and drives the creativity with us.

http://www.ted.com/talks/lang/eng/elizabeth_gilbert_on_genius.html

Our present, we suffer black and white thinking as to artistic types as to what drives them, much mention is made of mental illness, but in other cultures, and of the past, the drive was seen as divinity, a transcendant experience, the work of god through human. Perhaps it is the latter, as the mental health profession don't know, this indicated by the constant theorising. Me, I see the drive, when it comes, as something I am trying to express in a way that is personal to me, something I cannot explain, but have to realise to understand and there allow it to pass by in recognition and there learning and knowledge.

What is your take on where the drive within your creativity comes from ?

To note, this is not just aimed at artistic types, but everyone, as I agree with Elizabeth Gilbert, we are all creative in our own way, and there receptive to the drive, be it genius, daemon or whatever.

What is the drive ?

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RE: Is Creativity, divinity ? - 7/14/2009 4:05:36 AM

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"What is the drive ? "

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RE: Is Creativity, divinity ? - 7/14/2009 4:21:44 AM

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"What is the drive ? "

\innate.

What I call that which drives me nuts when I just go nuts and start researching obsessively to create something obsessively. Obsessively, because when in that mode, I rarely sleep or eat, just keep working, the work itself is enjoyment and continuous enjoyable learning, I just got to get it out. If I ignore the drive, I get depressed, so these days, I go for it, when it comes.

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RE: Is Creativity, divinity ? - 7/14/2009 4:48:50 AM

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yup, that too!

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RE: Is Creativity, divinity ? - 7/14/2009 4:50:54 AM

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I don't know about it being innate. I believe drive can also be conditioned. Otherwise teaching might be pointless and then learning becomes non existant.

Drive is more inherent for me.

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RE: Is Creativity, divinity ? - 7/14/2009 5:02:15 AM

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I kind of agree, but talent can be lazy, and for some no conditioning means anything. others have the drive but sadly talent is like pitch in singing; you're born with it or not. Like some people create worlds, whereas a lot of Gen Y's just "sample" the work of others. I've met Gen Y's who've been in Tertiary Education for Arts for several yearswho can't create a stink from a fart but they're at every show around

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RE: Is Creativity, divinity ? - 7/14/2009 5:05:55 AM

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Yes, talent can be lazy. It can also be incredibly embarrassing, which is really quite sad if you think about it. So can drive.
Meh. How fucked up is that?

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RE: Is Creativity, divinity ? - 7/14/2009 5:24:37 AM

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very, which is why - with all the viscious mixed messages we artsies get from nursery school onward - we have a terrible record of suicide, grog and turmoil, thanksto the overt and most often pernicious influences of the Phillistines.

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RE: Is Creativity, divinity ? - 7/14/2009 5:29:03 AM

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So, could the answer be for us to break free of the system that schools us to be slaves to government and society. Ignore the naysayers, and follow the heart.

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RE: Is Creativity, divinity ? - 7/14/2009 5:31:25 AM

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Now see, that is an interesting thought.
Is the 'suffering'(meh -- using a illfitting word but its the best I can muster this afternoon) that artists in general (urgh hatin' on the generalisations) prone to, inherent or externally programmed?

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RE: Is Creativity, divinity ? - 7/14/2009 5:32:46 AM

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even more tell the vapid and banal that laugh at creative impulses while drinking from the cup of Benefit that creativity fills to shove their Superbowl loving Idol-Anti-Culture up their ass.

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RE: Is Creativity, divinity ? - 7/14/2009 9:36:16 AM

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OP:
"The force that through the green fuse drives the flower"
or VIRIDITAS a word coined by Hildegard of BINGEN

A DIVINE force..

I believe in my art work..writing and crafting of jewelry..all ideas are from a HIgher Source..
Many days I have gone back to works and wondered "Who wrote that? Painted that? Where did it come from?"

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RE: Is Creativity, divinity ? - 7/14/2009 10:13:31 AM

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We are strange creatures…many of us love the arts…our depression is caused by the desire… the need… to be creative but without the skills to fulfill those desires. Then a very few lucky ones, blessed with the eye, are depressed because they feel their art is not good enough or behind them.

It seems no matter what our skills we are never satisfied and perhaps it is another quality that sets us apart from the rest of life on this earth.

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RE: Is Creativity, divinity ? - 7/14/2009 10:44:10 AM

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I've always been creative and I've always created. In what medium, how much, where and when...that is always changing.

Most certainly there are people more talented than others. Most certainly there are people more educated to enable their creativity and most certainly there are people with a luxury of more time for creativity.

For myself, I made a decision a long time ago to use my creativity to find a way to express my creativity, within the confines of time, and monetary limits rather than bemoan the constrictions. I used to be jealous of those that could spend entire days creating, of those that didn't need to work a 40+ hour week to pay bills to feed mouths and put a roof over their heads. I used to put off, close off, my creativity because of my own self imposed limitations due to that jealousy. No more!

I embrace the time I have to do what I can. I sketch or write, when my lunchtime walk gets rained out or it's too hot. I dream new sculpting projects when I am sleeping. I take photos while walking and paint with my grands.

I think we have a choice, to look at our limitations and bemoan that we cannot do as much as we wish or we can feel blessed for the creative soul we have and use it every second we can find.

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RE: Is Creativity, divinity ? - 7/14/2009 10:54:28 AM

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So, could the answer be for us to break free of the system that schools us to be slaves to government and society. Ignore the naysayers, and follow the heart.

It works for me, but it isn't easy to go down this path.

One of the most damaging influences on the theatre are the drama schools and universities, who can spend up to five years teaching the 'luvvies' all about Stanislavski, Shakespeare, Brecht, stardom, and fortune, but who fail to teach them anything about creativity or a work ethic.

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RE: Is Creativity, divinity ? - 7/14/2009 11:07:43 AM

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Stella, I understand what you've written. When I was attending graphics art school one of the earliest courses had to do with learning the "proper" technique; things like the proper way of holding a paint brush or the right way of adjusting an air brush. The teacher of that course did everything in his power to try to "break" us all of our "bad habits" in using the implements. For an entire semester most of us struggled in trying to use our tools in the manner the instructor thought was "right," and all of our work suffered for it. Most of us were not satisfied with the outcomes and felt that if this is how the world of graphics art was run we wanted no part of it. Basically -- for that school anyway -- the important thing was not to develop and nurture creativity but to create automatons that would be "efficient" in the use of tools and materials.

As the curriculum progressed there was not much knowledge imparted in how to develop and expand creativity, but rather how to work within an established commercial art department (which was not how the curriculum was initially sold to me).

So yeah, based upon my personal experiences and the anecdotal stories I've read from other artistic endeavors, it would appear the formalized educational process is doing everything but encouraging divergent creative talent and expression.

Rules for the proper method of holding a paint brush... sheesh!

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RE: Is Creativity, divinity ? - 7/14/2009 8:10:19 PM

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and now of course with the advent of tablets and stylus and wankerous software the only reasons for airbrushes are detailing vehicles and helmets for the modern day Jethro Clampett, body art for erotic tradeshows and plagiaristic hacks in the fashion-industry or spray on tatts.

spoken as someone who loved his Paasche VSR 90 and Aztek double action back when it mattered...

and lets not go into wanktards in film school that want to be the next big Slasher film "wunderkind" and don't even know of any serial killer films before "Halloween" and "Psycho" (and worse yet have only seen the craptastic remake of Psycho).

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RE: Is Creativity, divinity ? - 7/14/2009 9:08:36 PM

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I believe that every one of us is born with the ability to be creative; it is a raw talent that we already have within ourselves. While it can't really be taught it can be guided by a mentor who encourages an individual to be comfortable with themselves in finding their own unique form of expression.

Even those people that think they haven't got a creative bone in their bodies do have the ability to express themselves. Perhaps they're not comfortable in their attempts, feeling that since they don't know the "proper" way of using the tools or know the "rules" of making something artistic they'll be no good at it. Or, maybe, they're simply not interested in expressing themselves. That's fine too, but it doesn't mean they don't have the raw creative possibilities within themselves.

Having choices with using all of the various tools, in all of the creative disciplines, only helps to make the art of expression that much easier and more enjoyable for everyone; both those that freely express themselves and those that are still feeling a bit self conscious about it. That's a good thing. What really ticks me off, though, is having some formalized education programs teaching the nonsense that the only way to be truly creative is in the "proper use and application of the appropriate tool at the appropriate time." Encouraging creative expression should never be subservient to having to know the "proper" use of the tools.

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RE: Is Creativity, divinity ? - 7/14/2009 10:11:37 PM

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"Even those people that think they haven't got a creative bone in their bodies do have the ability to express themselves"

Patently untrue, no offense.

Come here tyo Australia and enjoy several big nights out on three or so week-ends.

I end up being the voice of ant-politically correct claptrap often enough, and I'll be so again: it's like height.

you can be born Shaq, you can be born Billy Barty.

TONS of people don't have one creative atom in their souls OR bodies, sorry. But many do and do not know it. And many claimto and are just fucking hacks with art classes paid for by the State or their Blue Chip family Estate.

There ARE completely and utterly UNTALENTED people in the world, Big Brother is proof enough of that.

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RE: Is Creativity, divinity ? - 7/14/2009 11:23:49 PM

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"Even those people that think they haven't got a creative bone in their bodies do have the ability to express themselves"

Patently untrue, no offense. ...

No offense taken.

However, I do disagree with your assertion there are those who have absolutely no talent, but it's not a disagreement based upon your knowledge and experiences. Rather, I think the disagreement I have is because, perhaps, we're not using the same definition for the concept of creativity.

My definition of creativity is strictly individually based; the results of that expression are not answerable to anyone else but only the artist him or herself. While others may hold opinions on those results, the opinions hold no meaning to the artist. The individual creates for his or her own sole enjoyment and expression, for whatever reason they hold unto themselves.

Perhaps I should have made my definition clear before I started posting. Please accept my apology for not having done so.

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