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Judge: CIA committed fraud in eavesdropping case - 7/21/2009 3:08:30 AM   
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Judge: CIA committed fraud in eavesdropping case‎ 

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WASHINGTON — A federal judge has ruled that CIA officials committed fraud to protect a former covert agent against an eavesdropping lawsuit and is considering sanctioning as many as six who have worked at the agency, including former CIA Director George Tenet.

According to court documents unsealed Monday, U.S. District Judge Royce Lamberth referred a CIA attorney, Jeffrey Yeates, for disciplinary action. Lamberth also denied the CIA's renewed efforts under the Obama administration to keep the case secret because of what he calls the agency's "diminished credibility" and the "twisted history" in the case.

The judge also criticized CIA Director Leon Panetta, saying he's given conflicting accounts about what should be revealed in the case. The ruling led to the unsealing Monday of more than 200 unclassified versions of classified filings in the 13-year-old case.

"The court does not give the government a high degree of deference because of its prior misrepresentations regarding the state secrets privilege in this case," Lamberth ruled.

The court case comes amid increased scrutiny and allegations of lying against the spy agency.

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi said in May that she believes the CIA lied to her about its harsh interrogation program in 2002. Panetta said in June that the CIA had not notified Congress about a secret program to develop hit squads for al-Qaida terrorists. And Congress is investigating whether the agency broke the law by not informing lawmakers about that and other secret activities.
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RE: Judge: CIA committed fraud in eavesdropping case - 7/21/2009 3:15:25 AM   
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Status: offline 		Its called politics, both the main parties and the major agencies in the UK withold information when it suits. I dont think the US is any different, or indeed anywhere else in the world. If the UK media hadnt been so insistent we would never have known about rendition flights, for example. I wouldnt put it past any politician or agency chief to be at least vague, if not dishonest, when it suited them.

The above is why a free press is essential.

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RE: Judge: CIA committed fraud in eavesdropping case - 7/21/2009 6:19:28 AM   
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... in the 13-year-old case.



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RE: Judge: CIA committed fraud in eavesdropping case - 7/21/2009 6:24:34 AM   
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Damn that Bill Clinton?


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... in the 13-year-old case.




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RE: Judge: CIA committed fraud in eavesdropping case - 7/21/2009 6:33:39 AM   
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Damn that Bill Clinton?


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... in the 13-year-old case.




To be fair ... it was Jimmy Carter that did the most damage to the CIA.

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RE: Judge: CIA committed fraud in eavesdropping case - 7/21/2009 6:43:00 AM   
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Oh, thought this was going to be about the Presidents sinking poll numbers.

Never mind.

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RE: Judge: CIA committed fraud in eavesdropping case - 7/21/2009 7:20:51 AM   
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But the suit and the alleged wrongdoing apparently occurred under Clinton's tenure.




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RE: Judge: CIA committed fraud in eavesdropping case - 7/21/2009 7:32:54 AM   
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RE: Judge: CIA committed fraud in eavesdropping case - 7/21/2009 7:38:31 AM   
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... in the 13-year-old case.


You and Sanity are missing the point:

The judge also criticized CIA Director Leon Panetta, saying he's given conflicting accounts about what should be revealed in the case.

So it questions his credibility regarding the whole Pelosi controversy.








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RE: Judge: CIA committed fraud in eavesdropping case - 7/21/2009 7:49:10 AM   
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... in the 13-year-old case.


You and Sanity are missing the point:

The judge also criticized CIA Director Leon Panetta, saying he's given conflicting accounts about what should be revealed in the case.

So it questions his credibility regarding the whole Pelosi controversy.


Well, to be even fairer, I've never been real hep about the trustworthiness of either the CIA or Panetta.

Although ... Panetta is one of the better of a bad bunch.

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RE: Judge: CIA committed fraud in eavesdropping case - 7/25/2009 3:59:41 PM   
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Hours before they were to leave office after eight troubled years, George W. Bush and Richard B. Cheney had one final and painful piece of business to conclude. For over a month Cheney had been pleading, cajoling, even pestering Bush to pardon the Vice President's former chief of staff, I. Lewis (Scooter) Libby.


As Attorney General Eric Holder weighs whether to name a special prosecutor to probe reports of detainee abuse during the Bush era, Democratic lawmakers are trying to determine why Cheney demanded that Congress be kept in the dark about some covert CIA plans after 9/11. There is no guarantee that these and other probes won't at some point require the testimony of the former President and Vice President. While Bush has retired to Texas to write his memoirs and secure his legacy by other means, Cheney is settling in for a long siege in Washington, where he will soon be installed in a conservative think tank and where, Republicans say, he will pull levers on Capitol Hill to make his voice heard. Above all, Cheney will continue to insist that the Commander in Chief and his lieutenants had almost limitless power in the war on terrorism and deserved a measure of immunity for taking part in that fight. That's a conviction Cheney made clear to all those involved in the Libby affair — including, in his final hours in power, the President himself.


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RE: Judge: CIA committed fraud in eavesdropping case - 7/25/2009 4:52:33 PM   
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Does this further support Nancy Pelosi's claims that the CIA withheld information on torture policies?
Not to me. I think she is lying outright to save her skin. I think she knew damn well what was going on, and it will take a lot more than her word to convince me otherwise.

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RE: Judge: CIA committed fraud in eavesdropping case - 7/26/2009 10:44:26 AM   
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Does this further support Nancy Pelosi's claims that the CIA withheld information on torture policies?
Not to me. I think she is lying outright to save her skin. I think she knew damn well what was going on, and it will take a lot more than her word to convince me otherwise.


Maybe, but this is the third time now that what Panetta has said, or failed to say, has been called into question in his short tenure.

Starting to raise some red flags for me.

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RE: Judge: CIA committed fraud in eavesdropping case - 7/26/2009 10:52:31 AM   
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RE: Judge: CIA committed fraud in eavesdropping case - 7/26/2009 11:00:24 AM   
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Status: offline 		Nancy Pelosi has some explaining to do. The truth is slowly coming out. What did she know and when did she know it. ??   

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RE: Judge: CIA committed fraud in eavesdropping case - 7/26/2009 11:10:22 AM   
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Nancy Pelosi has some explaining to do. The truth is slowly coming out. What did she know and when did she know it. ??   


What truth is slowly coming out?

Other than Boehnner using the situation as a political football.

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RE: Judge: CIA committed fraud in eavesdropping case - 7/26/2009 11:16:02 AM   
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Nancy Pelosi has some explaining to do. The truth is slowly coming out. What did she know and when did she know it. ??   


What truth is slowly coming out?

Other than Boehnner using the situation as a political football.



You mean the football that Pelosi brought onto the field?

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RE: Judge: CIA committed fraud in eavesdropping case - 7/26/2009 11:23:14 AM   
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Him being a liar doesn't mean she isn't as well. I have no proof, just a gut feeling...the lady doth protest too much.


My gut feeling is as a new director he is trying too hard to gain the support of the people in his agency and distorting the truth in the process.

Not that I'm a big fan of Pelosi, but I think her backpedaling on her initial statements had more to do with the fact that those statements put her in a difficult political position, even if they were true.

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RE: Judge: CIA committed fraud in eavesdropping case - 7/26/2009 11:26:22 AM   
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You mean the football that Pelosi brought onto the field?


Then you have to ask yourself why she did that.

She's not a stupid woman, so she certainly would have realized the potential backlash.

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RE: Judge: CIA committed fraud in eavesdropping case - 7/26/2009 11:30:01 AM   
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You mean the football that Pelosi brought onto the field?


Then you have to ask yourself why she did that.

She's not a stupid woman, so she certainly would have realized the potential backlash.



She is so obsessively partisan that should could very well have been blinded to the potential backlash.

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