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IronBear -> RE: Sadism, disspell the rumors of the Marquis (2/21/2006 6:44:11 AM)
Years ago (pre my introduction to Gor and pre meeting my lady Neets, there was a girl I used to enjoy playing with. As our trust of each other grew, I found that she had very definite masochistic tendencies. With her I could allow my sadistic mode develop without revulsion yet still keeping it and myself from crossing the line into non play but another form of reality (The murkier side). What I did find was the sexual tension builds up when inflicting pain and humiliation. By half way through our playing we were both randy and thus the sadistic play turned to sexual sadism and her being ravished …. I’m still not sure if this is common or not

strob -> RE: Sadism, disspell the rumors of the Marquis (2/21/2006 10:18:28 AM)
As for me, it goes this way...I am a masochist and, if a woman is really sadistic and enjoys every single of her deeds and I can see that a sadist within her is pushing her to express it more, then I am getting what I want...not knowing what and how intense she would do next. But sadism doesn't have to be only about pain, does it? There are different levels and ways of abuse and humiliation that can be related with sadism within person. Imagine how it is to pass out just from pain...only a real sadist can do that to you, right?

MistressDREAD -> RE: Sadism, disspell the rumors of the Marquis (2/21/2006 10:19:48 AM)
quote: what is sadism to You I was born a Sadist. sadism is like any issue one lives with that is not what every body else lives with. some take insulin for sugar issues, some take/inflict acts of pain as the equlizer of body and minds needs, Ive done this since a young child. My sadism is neither romantic nor something I can overlook nor stick away someplace or simply use as a pleasure. Yes it can when directed be a sexual release and a adrenilyn booster for Us adrenilyn junkies but Its a part of My every waking moment and watch and I for one tend to steer away the romantic and sexual aspects of My sadism for fear it could take control of Me in such euphoric places, like Bear, physical tension builds and the need to inflict pain or humiliation becomes overwhelming and dangerous if not kept in check. the humiliation side of My sadism is what keeps My more violent side in check and I use it easily to dispurse any build up I might find My self in with out a masocist available to release My sadist mood apon. ( and no I dont get permission to inflict My humiliation on the public at large and is the part of the darker side of this lifestyle that most would like to over look and not admit to but it exsists and We are all a part of it if just by association. ) I think both My self and Bear have been to places that most here dont even imagine or in the least know of that most would shreak and run in the oppisite direction really quick listening to His quickly pushed off referance to such things. quote: disspell the rumors of the Marquis rumors Im afraid were nill when it comes to Marquis and I can go as so far as to say there is much worse in those murkey waters Bear speaks of that most never know nor see even in the Alternate Lifestyle world as a whole much less the vanilla one.

IrishMist -> RE: Sadism, disspell the rumors of the Marquis (2/21/2006 10:33:23 AM)
Someone had asked me once what made my late husband the kind of man he was, why he enjoyed doing the things to me that he did (this was after he passed away ). Master IronBear, and Mistress Dread, you both answered that question beautifully. I never could fully explain to someone why he was the way he was, or why I would not have wanted him any other way.

MstrTiger -> RE: Sadism, disspell the rumors of the Marquis (2/21/2006 1:26:02 PM)
I have no problem telling people I am sexually dominant though I usually like to avoid referring to myself as a sadist, usually people immediately think of the Marquis De Sade and therefore usually see a sadist as a shocking pervert who would torture anyone for their own self gratification. They don’t really see it in context, I think the main source of satisfaction for many sadists is exerting a controlling influence over the masochist and also by seeing the indirect pleasure being experienced by them from the pain they are undergoing.

LadyTantalize -> RE: Sadism, disspell the rumors of the Marquis (2/23/2006 11:42:43 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MstrTiger I have no problem telling people I am sexually dominant though I usually like to avoid referring to myself as a sadist, usually people immediately think of the Marquis De Sade and therefore usually see a sadist as a shocking pervert who would torture anyone for their own self gratification. They don’t really see it in context, I think the main source of satisfaction for many sadists is exerting a controlling influence over the masochist and also by seeing the indirect pleasure being experienced by them from the pain they are undergoing. I can understand somewhat. I shied away from that label as well, specifically because when given that label as a child by a psychiatrist, can be a scary thing for all involved! g But over time, some therapy and self-introspection, learning to control and propery channel it was a necessity to refrain from an outcome like DeSade. When discovering formalized BDSM, I was thrilled and thinking finally folks who will understand and accept my sadisitic identification. Wrong, some still remained unsure and even others flocked to me like a moth to flame. Anyway, I don't shy away now from the term within my BDSM community and ProDomme communications but embrace it and rejoice in it - although I do have to clarify occassionally exactly what being a Sadist means to Me and those with whom I intend to interact. As to the main source of pleasure for most Sadists being the control, influence or the indirect pleasure given, possibly so for some. Not for this Lady, while those factors are lovely icing on the sadistic cake for Me, my main source of My sadistic pleasure comes from infliciting physical pain - but hey, that's just Me! g Lovely site, You have there Master Tiger!

IrishMist -> RE: Sadism, disspell the rumors of the Marquis (2/23/2006 11:49:02 AM)
quote: my main source of My sadistic pleasure comes from infliciting physical pain - but hey, that's just Me! g LOL I know a few who are just like you Lady Tantalize :) Their main pleasure came from inflicting pain, and nothing more. On a personal level, I find sadists of this extreme to be the most enticing. Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm Yes, I know...I am horrid, but what can I say [&:]

LadyTantalize -> RE: Sadism, disspell the rumors of the Marquis (2/23/2006 2:54:05 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: IrishMist quote: my main source of My sadistic pleasure comes from infliciting physical pain - but hey, that's just Me! g LOL I know a few who are just like you Lady Tantalize :) Their main pleasure came from inflicting pain, and nothing more. On a personal level, I find sadists of this extreme to be the most enticing. Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm Yes, I know...I am horrid, but what can I say [&:] Well lovely words to My ears! I'm curious - why is that may I ask? What is it that makes knowing someone is that type of Sadist more enticing to you???

IrishMist -> RE: Sadism, disspell the rumors of the Marquis (2/23/2006 3:12:09 PM)
quote: Well lovely words to My ears! I'm curious - why is that may I ask? What is it that makes knowing someone is that type of Sadist more enticing to you??? Well, speaking only for myself through the years I have found that pain...the actual feeling of pain...satisfies my wants more than other things do. I am able to express myself the best at those times. The more pain there is, the more I am able to let go and just FEEL. Pain to me is pure eurphoria. So, when I meet one who is not afraid to say that the giving of pain is a motivating factor for them...my eyes light up, my knees go weak, and I just turn to butter. [:)]

fastlane -> RE: Sadism, disspell the rumors of the Marquis (2/23/2006 4:34:41 PM)
Fastlane sez "Fuck I am out of butter and I ain't runnin to the store tonight....over here now I.M. and bring me something sharp, other than my tongue!" You know as much as I can enjoy dishing pain out, what defines me as sadistic is enjoying or becoming aroused at seeing someone in not just physical pain, but fear and anger, yet helpless under my control. It's a very fine line and it has to be controlled carefully, with a trustful partner, who know that in the end, it is love that sustains the Sadism and the Relationship. That is just one side of me though.....Fastlane looks at the angel on his left shoulder...I like puppies, random acts of kindness, walks in the rain and snow on my eyelashes [8D]

Slipstreme -> RE: Sadism, disspell the rumors of the Marquis (2/23/2006 4:52:12 PM)
quote: My sadistic pleasure comes from infliciting physical pain - but hey, that's just Me! That sounds like my sadism. Although yes, sending someone to the otherworldly experience of subspace is exciting, what I really want to do is drive them to their very limits and test their endurance. Of course, the beast inside craves more than that, but I won't let it control me. I've had to step back from what I was doing on a couple occasions because I knew I was ready and willing to bring it past what was consented to. However as a masochist I understand and appreciate the other side of the coin. Irish Mist explained it perfectly. I've also found that it wants more, all the time. Every scene I've been left wondering if I could take more and wanting to take more, often immediately after.

MHOO314 -> RE: Sadism, disspell the rumors of the Marquis (2/23/2006 5:16:19 PM)
mmm speaks to My soul---I love him, I desire him, he submits to Me, I want to make him cry--when I do, I love him, I want him---I want to take him because he submits, and I want him more---

IrishMist -> RE: Sadism, disspell the rumors of the Marquis (2/23/2006 7:10:27 PM)
quote: I've had to step back from what I was doing on a couple occasions because I knew I was ready and willing to bring it past what was consented to Ahh see, I think that this is where most will step back from ME. I willingly admit, and even state that I want to be pushed past. I just don't want to be taken into space...I WANT to be brought back out...push me further and further every time. The more I am pushed, the more I FEEL.

IrishMist -> RE: Sadism, disspell the rumors of the Marquis (2/23/2006 7:13:41 PM)
quote: You know as much as I can enjoy dishing pain out, what defines me as sadistic is enjoying or becoming aroused at seeing someone in not just physical pain, but fear and anger, yet helpless under my control. It's a very fine line and it has to be controlled carefully, with a trustful partner, who know that in the end, it is love that sustains the Sadism and the Relationship. Very nicely said [:)]

MHOO314 -> RE: Sadism, disspell the rumors of the Marquis (2/23/2006 7:24:06 PM)
When he takes it, I am humbled, when he offers it, I am honored.

Slipstreme -> RE: Sadism, disspell the rumors of the Marquis (2/23/2006 7:32:16 PM)
quote: I just don't want to be taken into space...I WANT to be brought back out...push me further and further every time. The more I am pushed, the more I FEEL. Sounds like my masochism. Space or not, the important part is the pain. I could care less about space sometimes.

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