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angelic -> Submissive/slave? (2/19/2006 8:43:47 AM)
What is the difference between a submissive and a slave?

xALadyX -> RE: Submissive/slave? (2/19/2006 8:55:42 AM)
The bottom line is a Submisive has choices.. A Slave has no choice in what his/her Dominant desires to do to or with him/her A slave surrenders all he/she owns possesions.. finances... property , all he/she is depends upon the one who holds the slave contract. As to all the other differences.. there are many that folks will tell you their versions.. but bottom line .. when they want out .. a submissive can walk away .. a slave cannot without breaking a law binding contract. ALady

petcerina -> RE: Submissive/slave? (2/19/2006 9:23:06 AM)
These are the definitions i've adopted for myself. Submissive, lends herself to her Master, and blends as much of herself with Him as she can. The deeper the trust of the two, the deeper the submission, the stronger the union. Slave, surrender all she is and all she will be to her Master, and accepts His love along with her place at His side. The deeper the trust of the two, the deeper the submission, the stronger the union. These definitions work for me, however, i discovered yesterday something i should have a long time ago. For myself, i relish in being called a slave. i also think that there is something you have to discover about yourself before you feel comfortable calling yourself a slave. i think in the end, what you feel comfortable being, that is what you are. For a long time i would be scared of committing myself as a slave to someone, but as time passed, i learned that that was where i truly belonged, it was just taking time for me to get there. i have a friend of mine, who had decided she is not going to label herself as a slave or a sub because she is just herself and that's all that anyone needs to know. Her and her Master believe that she has aspects of both. That is why they will not label her. i hope this helps.

angelic -> RE: Submissive/slave? (2/19/2006 9:23:23 AM)
does that mean that in order to be a slave, one must be owned?

petcerina -> RE: Submissive/slave? (2/19/2006 9:25:10 AM)
i was under the impression that the contracts were not legally binding because slavery is illegal. The thing that makes slave contracts work, is the two people in the relationship and their devotion to each other.

petcerina -> RE: Submissive/slave? (2/19/2006 9:28:19 AM)
i think if i was to become single, i would put my profile back as submissive. It takes me a while to trust someone enough to surrender myself to them. i would bring hard limits back and be cautious.

dedicated2her -> RE: Submissive/slave? (2/19/2006 9:47:33 AM)
I agree with petcerina. I would consider myself a slave when i have the trust levels in place. But when looking for a Domme to serve or just play sessions, i post myself as a submissive. As to the comment about contracts, im also pretty sure that contracts are NOT legally binding. Both in Canada and the US. You need a notery for many contracts and im pretty sure none would sign on a slave contract, but if anyone knows more about this feel free to reply.

IrishMist -> RE: Submissive/slave? (2/19/2006 10:11:00 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: angelic What is the difference between a submissive and a slave? There is no right or wrong definition here. Only you and your partner can define what the two terms will mean.

angelic -> RE: Submissive/slave? (2/19/2006 10:13:50 AM)
quote: There is no right or wrong definition here. Only you and your partner can define what the two terms will mean. does that mean unless i am owned or have a partner, i am not a slave?

IrishMist -> RE: Submissive/slave? (2/19/2006 10:15:49 AM)
It means that only you can define what the two terms will mean to you. It may evolve into something different with a partner, again, only you can decide.

fastlane -> RE: Submissive/slave? (2/19/2006 10:25:01 AM)
Angelic.....and you are! You are submissive by nature....you will become a slave if you fall in love with a Dom, who becomes a Master to you...and calls you his slave. However, He may not choose to call you slave, but instead...Lord/Angel A slave is merely a term of understanding between the two involved! Kevin

DragonNphoenix -> RE: Submissive/slave? (2/19/2006 12:25:23 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: xALadyX The bottom line is a Submisive has choices.. A Slave has no choice in what his/her Dominant desires to do to or with him/her A slave surrenders all he/she owns possesions.. finances... property , all he/she is depends upon the one who holds the slave contract. As to all the other differences.. there are many that folks will tell you their versions.. but bottom line .. when they want out .. a submissive can walk away .. a slave cannot without breaking a law binding contract. ALady Could not have said it better myself... I know that it was the most freeing thing in my life to submit totally to My Dragon. But that is just me. 1st Girl Phoenix

DragonNphoenix -> RE: Submissive/slave? (2/19/2006 12:30:11 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: petcerina These definitions work for me, however, i discovered yesterday something i should have a long time ago. For myself, i relish in being called a slave. i also think that there is something you have to discover about yourself before you feel comfortable calling yourself a slave. i think in the end, what you feel comfortable being, that is what you are. I know just what you are saying. I was a long time before I came to terms with truely being a slave. Now, I dont know how I lived before. 1st Girl Phoenix

MHOO314 -> RE: Submissive/slave? (2/19/2006 12:32:29 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: angelic quote: There is no right or wrong definition here. Only you and your partner can define what the two terms will mean. does that mean unless i am owned or have a partner, i am not a slave? IMNSHO, until you are owned, you are merely someone seeking--it is not until a submissive has a Dominant that the dynamic begins and the definitions of that dynamic are established.

IronBear -> RE: Submissive/slave? (2/19/2006 1:23:52 PM)
If I collar a girl, she is kajira (slave). 1. I have absolute authority and responsibility regarding her. 2. She has no name until I give her one. 3. She has no clothes until I give them to her. 4. She has no possessions. (I hold them in trust for as long as I own her). 5. There are no limits other than what I set (regarding BDSM Play). 6. There no safe words (I will give her safe words to use if we are involved in BDSM play so that I can assess her state in for example needle or fire play). In other words she is owned and my property. Loved, valued and cherished but property never the less. Her reason for being is to please her Master. Compare this with a submissive who has safe words, who has limits and who has negotiated her collar and to some degree has dictated the terms. Some times her “Bondage” is time limited and not applicable during her “days off” or away from her Dom….. Just the thoughts of an Ol' Gorean Grizzly It's all in the game and how you play it.............

MasterOwnskitty -> RE: Submissive/slave? (2/19/2006 1:30:17 PM)
you have the right to be whoever you wish to be.

Marid -> RE: Submissive/slave? (2/19/2006 1:30:52 PM)
For me, the difference was a simple one. As his submissive, I had the right to break off our relationship at any time. As his slave, only he had the option of ending things. Everything else remained the same between us.

KarbonCopy -> RE: Submissive/slave? (2/19/2006 1:38:25 PM)
welcome to Slave VS Submissive debate number 192, 230, 002

RealDeal1963 -> RE: Submissive/slave? (2/19/2006 1:48:31 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: angelic quote: There is no right or wrong definition here. Only you and your partner can define what the two terms will mean. does that mean unless i am owned or have a partner, i am not a slave? Since this is not "Ask a Master/Dom" I'll tread lightly here on your question. Because I'm a Dom I'll butt my nose in even though it's not "Ask a Master/Dom" :) As far as I'm concerned, submissive/slave are very much like the difference between girlfriend/wife. If I read your question correctly and your profile, then I would offer that you are NOT a slave, and yes, you are not because you are not "owned". But that doesn't mean it isn't just as valid/important for you to specify that you are not a general submissive for any and every Master/Dom. Sounds to me like you've decided to specify very clearly what Ds means to you by using the word slave and not submissive to describe yourself to make your point clear. I'd disagree with your definition of slave, but it only takes a moment to read a little further and understand where you're coming from. Nothing wrong with that as far as I'm concerned :) Ds means almost as many different things as there are Ds couples. We all have to look inside ourselves and figure out what part it plays in our lives and should respect everyone elses version so long as it doesn't harm someone else, involve lies, deception etc. That's my 2cents solicited or not :)

Misstoyou -> RE: Submissive/slave? (2/19/2006 1:51:49 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: angelic does that mean that in order to be a slave, one must be owned? angelic, If someone has been giving you a hard time about your profile, ignore them.

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