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AAkasha -> Male subs and conflict avoidance (7/22/2009 12:26:00 PM)


For femdom couples, do you expect your male submissive to be the one to address, handle and resolve conflicts with outside parties, or in your role as the dominant do you take care of these things?

The kinds of conflicts I am talking about are situations where you must address an uncomfortable issue with a person to get something resolved.   A minor example would be poor service in a restaurant (if you are the type to care about that kind of thing), being mistreated in a customer service situation, or even something like a man acting inappropriately toward you in a public situation.  As the femdom in the relationship, do you take the role of addressing and handling conflict or do you expect your submissive to do this as part of his chivalry-type role?

Are male subs ever too shy, or too much an avoider of conflict to deal with this? Male subs, how do you handle this?

When the other person involved in the conflict is a woman, how to male subs who are also female supremacists handle standing up to/dealing with conflict with an aggressive woman because your femdom has asked you to, or it's expected of you? 

Akasha




ThatDamnedPanda -> RE: Male subs and conflict avoidance (7/22/2009 12:48:42 PM)

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ORIGINAL: AAkasha


For femdom couples, do you expect your male submissive to be the one to address, handle and resolve conflicts with outside parties, or in your role as the dominant do you take care of these things?

The kinds of conflicts I am talking about are situations where you must address an uncomfortable issue with a person to get something resolved.   A minor example would be poor service in a restaurant (if you are the type to care about that kind of thing), being mistreated in a customer service situation, or even something like a man acting inappropriately toward you in a public situation.  As the femdom in the relationship, do you take the role of addressing and handling conflict or do you expect your submissive to do this as part of his chivalry-type role?

Are male subs ever too shy, or too much an avoider of conflict to deal with this? Male subs, how do you handle this?


Generally speaking, I tend to be rather blunt and direct in such situations, to the point where when I'm with a woman I often have to make a conscious effort to be courteous so as not to embarrass her. I'm not what I would consider rude, but I do believe in getting right to the point, and even though I may be doing it with a friendly smile on my face, to many other people that sort of directness does come across as rude. So I'll typically make a conscious effort to tone down my approach, and make an effort I might not normally make to avoid seeming confrontational.

Now. That's in general terms. In more specific terms, when I'm in a relationship, and out in the world with my dominant, I tend to model my behavior in such situations in accordance with whatever expectations she has communicated to me regarding that issue. If she's someone who expects me to be assertive, even aggressive in resolving such matters, I have no problem meeting that expectation. It comes quite easily, and in fact I'm most comfortable in that circumstance. If she's someone who expects me to be more indirect or diplomatic, I'll model my approach to meet the expectations she has set for me; for two reasons - first of all, because it pleases her, of course; and second, because if that's a standard she's set for me, I'm assuming it's for a reason - that it represents an area where she wants to see me grow or improve myself. And I'm going to follow her direction, because I consider that to be one of my responsibilities to both her and myself.



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ORIGINAL: AAkasha
When the other person involved in the conflict is a woman, how to male subs who are also female supremacists handle standing up to/dealing with conflict with an aggressive woman because your femdom has asked you to, or it's expected of you? 


Ooh. Good second question. I wouldn't call myself a female supremacist, but I do tend to treat women much more deferentially than men, all other things being equal. I would probably tend to be more naturally low-key when confronting a woman, but not significantly so. The difference would be so slight, I'd probably be the only one who really noticed. But I would definitely be aware of it, myself.




LaTigresse -> RE: Male subs and conflict avoidance (7/22/2009 3:14:11 PM)

Not ever having had a male submissive I cannot answer in that regard. I have spent most of my waking time around men though. It has been my experience that most men do not like conflict and will avoid it, even if they would be better off doing otherwise.

From many years working with the public, most men tend to suck at dealing with issues in a calm and positive manner. They will either avoid it, or become very confrontational. I prefer to use the old theory of "catching more flies with honey than vinegar".

If a meal I ordered is incorrect, I will quietly tell the server about it and ask them to please resolve it. If they do so well, and I cannot think of a time when they haven't, they get an even better tip.

Similarly work related issues. The owner of the company (male) cringes at the very idea of any sort of conflict but I have no problem calling the vendor and asking for their help in resolving the issue.

I can only think of one time when the honey didn't work and I had to get all badass on the guy. Ream's Auto Body in Cedar Rapids Iowa.........crooked mofo destroyed a car and refused to make it right. I got a standing ovation from the road crew working on the street in front of his shop for that one. The little ratbastid tried handing me ROSES to placate me and tell me the problem was all in my pretty little head. Bad idea, bad bad bad. Generic dude would have never ever even taken the car back and tried to deal with it. Then again, he won't even get involved in the wheeling and dealing of buying a car........

Male or female, I am very nice to them. Until they give me a reason to be otherwise.




CatdeMedici -> RE: Male subs and conflict avoidance (7/22/2009 5:15:53 PM)

If its THEIR conflict, they resolve it. If it gets messy and encroaches into the family, they might not like My resolution.




Vendaval -> RE: Male subs and conflict avoidance (7/22/2009 11:01:16 PM)

In general, I use the same sort of tactics as La T describes. The only time a male sub is expected to step up to bat is if the conflict concerns his directly, ie his family, career, friends, etc.




slaveboyforyou -> RE: Male subs and conflict avoidance (7/23/2009 12:36:22 AM)

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A minor example would be poor service in a restaurant (if you are the type to care about that kind of thing)


It depends on how busy the restaurant is, the circumstances, etc. I will say something generally, but I'm polite about it. I don't act like an asshole to someone because they didn't refill my cup constantly. Sometimes, you get a new person and they are learning the ropes. I've waited tables before, it's a hard job. I don't sweat small stuff like that. Now if they are rude, I'll ask them why. Hey, their husband might have smacked them around that morning, you never know. If they are rude after being asked, I will say something to the manager. I'm not shy, but I'm nice to food service people.....to a point.

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customer service situation


Again, depends on the situation. I have to agree with LaTigresse about mechanics. I won't take shit off of them. I went into a place to get my brake pads replaced once. I left and came back an hour later. The fuckers had a list of things I needed replaced before the pads could be put on. Of course, it was bullshit. I told them to put everything back together and get it off the rack. He said they were going to charge me some bullshit service fee. I told him, I wouldn't pay it. He threatened to call the police, I told him to get right on that. I was livid, and I let them know.

I tend to always have to get pushy with government employees. They are always incomptent and misinformed. Most recently I wanted some records from the courthouse on a case. She got snippy and wanted to know why I wanted them. I told her it was none of her business, I am entitled to them under the FOIA, and I am not required to give a reason or even my name (which she asked for). They were required to give me all records I asked for on request. After her talking to several people and refusing to obey the law, I told her I wanted to talk to the Circuit Clerk right then and there. Well that didn't fare much better. They threatened to call the cops when I started getting loud. I just walked back towards the Circuit Judge's Chambers with that little threat came forth. I knocked on the door. She came out and could tell I was upset. I explained what was going on, and she marched in to the clerk's office and explained sternly what FOIA is. I got my records, and I wasn't charged the 20 cent per copy fee. [:)]. Yeah, so I guess I'm confrontational. I don't think a Dominant would have stopped me that day.

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man acting inappropriately toward you in a public situation.

Eh, all the women I date or am friends with can handle themselves just fine here. A lot of my friends are women, and they are all feisty and sarcastic like me. It's why I'm friends with them. It's actually quite entertaining to watch many of the women I know rebuff an aggressive man's advances [:D]. But if some asshole grabs them or calls them a filthy name, I'm punching him in the mouth just on general principle. In fact, if I see a man do that to a female stranger, I'm punching him in the mouth. Dominant or not, I'm not going stand by and do nothing in those situations.

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Male subs, how do you handle this?

I think I did a pretty good job explaining myself. I love dominant women...LOVE them. But I'm still a man; I don't put up with people's bullshit, and noone should. People will trample on you all your life when you allow them to.




Lashra -> RE: Male subs and conflict avoidance (7/23/2009 7:12:28 AM)

For femdom couples, do you expect your male submissive to be the one to address, handle and resolve conflicts with outside parties, or in your role as the dominant do you take care of these things?

It depends on who the conflict is directed at and its nature. We are both are quite capable of handling ourselves in conflict situations. Usually for something like bad service in a restaurant I will speak up first, it is just my nature to voice such things. However if it was something like some other male was challenging me to a fist fight, or being rude to me, my sub would certainly stepup to the plate without hesitation and most likely before I could say or do anything. He is very much the gentlemen protector and I like that.
 
Are male subs ever too shy, or too much an avoider of conflict to deal with this? Male subs, how do you handle this?

Some are as I have observed. Mine is not. He will definiately let someone know if things are not as they should be.

When the other person involved in the conflict is a woman, how to male subs who are also female supremacists handle standing up to/dealing with conflict with an aggressive woman because your femdom has asked you to, or it's expected of you?

My sub is not a supremacist, he tries to be polite with ladies as that is how he was raised but I have observed him "giving back" as good as he got from a very rude woman in a store once. So my man has no trouble standing and holding his ground and I like him that way. Now if I told him not to do so, he would not, it would take a LOT of self control but he would do as I told him too.
 
~Lashra
 
 




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