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RE: BDSM = a study in human nature? - 7/25/2009 5:25:51 AM

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How is BDSM a study of human nature, when BDSM is human nature?

the.dark.

Go back to basic existentialism to figure out how it can be both and at the same time.
As a human being I exist and I am 'in myself'. But I can also reflect and be 'of myself'. Essentially I can be both subjective and objective at the same time.
Take a stone. A stone can only be 'of itself'... it has no essential capacity to reflect on its own 'stoneness'.
I think my problems (most of them) stem from the discrepancy between what I know objectively (about myself and others...always a fault of the industry I am in) and what I feel subjectively.
There simply is not an adequate psychology for those of us who have pain/pleasure, slavery/exaltation crossed in the way 'we' do.
There have been many long hours when I have tried objectively to analyse myself and there have been many long hours when I have submitted to others and their professional capacity to analyse me for me.
But at the end of the day as they say, do you know that one etraordinary truth that blows me away?
That we are 'in ourselves'....and isn't it simply amazing and beyond words that we can remotely understand what it is like to be 'in someone else'...least of all form relationship with them that is more than the sum of our parts.
Although we default to science and the scientific model, no scientific study has ever been able to state what someone is, only, within certain controlled parameters, what they are not.
And I for one am far more than a rejection of a null hypothesis.

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RE: BDSM = a study in human nature? - 7/25/2009 6:50:06 AM

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Owners know more about the body of his slave than heselfe.

Yes and no.
No: not before the slave has consented to transfer the authroity and sovereignty they have over their own bodies to the owner.
Yes: after this transfer has taken place but yes only within the limits of the slave. If the slave transfers that authority within the agreed condition of no limits then an owner would be empowered to use the slave's body as if it were his own.

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RE: BDSM = a study in human nature? - 7/25/2009 7:50:12 AM

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ORIGINAL: stella41b

Which leads me more to think that BDSM is essentially a study in human nature.
What do you think?

Great post and I agree. It's about the core reptilian nature of humans too...

Thank you stella41b

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RE: BDSM = a study in human nature? - 7/25/2009 8:36:40 AM

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reptilian?

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RE: BDSM = a study in human nature? - 7/25/2009 8:53:26 AM

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TurboJugend thank you for asking :) this q to a lil nerd

I had to look it up for more details and found a big tangle of thought for anyone curious or bored today

Reptilian Brain
Innermost in our brain is what is called the reptilian brain, its oldest and most primitive part. The reptilian brain appears to be largely unchanged by evolution and we share it with all other animals which have a backbone.

This reptilian brain controls body functions required for sustaining life such as breathing and body temperature. Reptiles are cold-blooded animals which are warmed by the daylight sun and conserve energy by restricting activities when it is dark. The biological clock (controller) for their activity-rest cycle is located in the eye itself {10}.

At this level of evolution, behaviour relating to survival of the species, such as sexual behaviour, is instinctive and responses are automatic. Territory is acquired by force and defended.

- http://www.crystalinks.com/reptilianbrain.html

more: http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sumer_anunnaki/reptiles/reptiles14.htm

http://Reptilian Brain

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RE: BDSM = a study in human nature? - 7/25/2009 8:56:49 AM

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whattttttttttttttttttttttttttt
God made us!!!! we didn't have evolution :P

jk :P
ok..now I read your stuff. Thank you for explaining.
Interesting, because first I thought you were talking science fiction stuff or so..lol

Uhmm bit difficult for a lazy saterday. I read it in my break at work.
BUt atleast you took away my weird look when I first read your response.

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RE: BDSM = a study in human nature? - 7/25/2009 9:06:00 AM

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you're welcome.

psychology could be sci fi for all we know but it's something to think about

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RE: BDSM = a study in human nature? - 7/25/2009 10:09:12 AM

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ORIGINAL: stella41b
Which leads me more to think that BDSM is essentially a study in human nature.

BDSM is a depth-first study on a few facets of human nature... dominance & submission, pair bonding, mating habits. I'd agree with that. Humans, however, are vastly complicated and BDSM touches only tiny slices of the overall.

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RE: BDSM = a study in human nature? - 7/25/2009 10:32:30 AM

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And to some bdsm is just kinky sex...hardly a study...

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RE: BDSM = a study in human nature? - 7/26/2009 4:06:26 AM

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If the slave was real, than the power was transferd to the owner, today this will not happens in the first step. This is the different to the historical ways, peoples wants to becomes slaves that they was secure, was leaded and have a better live. But like the parents have the power over the childs, and have also the duty over the childs have the owner the same dutys over the slave. In the childhood we all knows that we have one that lead us, love us and punish us what ever we does. We try to make the parents proude and satisfact them. Learn and be secure. Never will be the feeling so deep and clear like in the earlyst childhood. This changes. A real good owner will never let his slave down. Yes punish for failures and misstakes but the punishmend should teach. Play arround is different. But if you let you fall complete, you comes over the border and have a deeper feeling as in your childhood. The human mind works on realy interresting ways. Kidnapp a human and bring him in stress and he will love you more than other (calles Stokholm syndrom) torture a human (real torture) and you can becomes a god for him (every soldier traing works on this or boot camps and self the new born knows the basic technics). But to this point is only one way, you must goes over the normal borders. I know this sounds in the first moment not moralical, but 2 things are importand. 1st it is neccassary for peoples that REALY want to change her live, and 2nd not the technics are unmoralic, the reason can be or not. Some use it to send his slaves in the prostitution or play with them and throw them away, some have her slave a full live, lead them and takes care, train them to the perfect partner on that they can be proude. Many of the real salves (and this outside of BDSM groupes) was in the dayli bussiness verry succesfull, and at the eavening they are on the knees and serve. The common picture from the manager that goes to the domina was not so wrong, and some have a dominat mother or wife at home, few a dome that lead the whole family. A dome that is a selfish is wrong, a real good dome is high disciplined and like a officer for his groupe. But I know also that this kind of peoples is today also hard to find where many peoples play arround and there is nothing that leads the domes or the self called lords and sirs.

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RE: BDSM = a study in human nature? - 7/26/2009 7:23:14 AM

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ORIGINAL: shimada

If the slave was real, than the power was transferd to the owner, today this will not happens in the first step. This is the different to the historical ways, peoples wants to becomes slaves that they was secure, was leaded and have a better live. But like the parents have the power over the childs, and have also the duty over the childs have the owner the same dutys over the slave. In the childhood we all knows that we have one that lead us, love us and punish us what ever we does. We try to make the parents proude and satisfact them. Learn and be secure. Never will be the feeling so deep and clear like in the earlyst childhood. This changes. A real good owner will never let his slave down. Yes punish for failures and misstakes but the punishmend should teach. Play arround is different. But if you let you fall complete, you comes over the border and have a deeper feeling as in your childhood. The human mind works on realy interresting ways. Kidnapp a human and bring him in stress and he will love you more than other (calles Stokholm syndrom) torture a human (real torture) and you can becomes a god for him (every soldier traing works on this or boot camps and self the new born knows the basic technics). But to this point is only one way, you must goes over the normal borders. I know this sounds in the first moment not moralical, but 2 things are importand. 1st it is neccassary for peoples that REALY want to change her live, and 2nd not the technics are unmoralic, the reason can be or not. Some use it to send his slaves in the prostitution or play with them and throw them away, some have her slave a full live, lead them and takes care, train them to the perfect partner on that they can be proude. Many of the real salves (and this outside of BDSM groupes) was in the dayli bussiness verry succesfull, and at the eavening they are on the knees and serve. The common picture from the manager that goes to the domina was not so wrong, and some have a dominat mother or wife at home, few a dome that lead the whole family. A dome that is a selfish is wrong, a real good dome is high disciplined and like a officer for his groupe. But I know also that this kind of peoples is today also hard to find where many peoples play arround and there is nothing that leads the domes or the self called lords and sirs.

My apologies but I struggle not only to understand your point of view but also your English.
I'm curious as to what your first language is.

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RE: BDSM = a study in human nature? - 7/26/2009 7:35:52 AM

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Which leads me more to think that BDSM is essentially a study in human nature.

What do you think?

I think that any human endeavor, especially those that require humans to collaborate, is ultimately a study in human nature.

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RE: BDSM = a study in human nature? - 7/26/2009 7:41:11 AM

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In regards to BDSM it has everything to do with human nature. However, it has to do more with living life compared to making it a study.

I say this because for awhile, I found myself starting to make it a bit of a study with interacting with people on the message boards. Sure, I learned some amazing things. however, I myself find it impossible to conform myself to some of the views, thoughts and believes of other people.

In short, I woke up and realized that the majority of people postings were single, had reoccuring relationship issues and problems.

I was becoming a drunk hanging out with other drunks. It's one thing to study BDSM and D/s and another thing to living it.

I find more value in drawing upon my own life experiences and personal relationships over half the crap people post about.

Big difference between study and experience and doing it. A lot of things people post sound good in theory... however...

I myself started to find myself trying to squeeze into the Study of BDSM that goes on with people doing a lot of talking.

I many regards my life this last year alone would be a contridiction to many things people post and write about on here. I am thankful I pulled my head of the Study, have simply allowed myself to be myself without comparing myself to the Study.

The experiences I have gone through this last year alone, priceless and the differences in my own life as well as somebody close to me.

There are still many more miles for me to travel in this road called life, the topic of BDSM is interesting, however it's what is in our own human nature that counts the most.

When I am true to my own human nature and not some study, I am true to myself and those around me. Trying to conform to idealizations of crap does not nor will ever work.

Too many people on this message board talk in terms of absolutes. For every idealized absolute notion that people come up with, Human Nature, unexpection life situations and reality will fucking break.

The truth is such, there are no absolutes in anything. Life will come at you fast like those insurance commercials. Unexpected situtions and circumstances might require you to break your own absolute thoughts processes, because you will find reality dictates you to do so.

I'm all for everything being Human nature, and human nature itself can be stranger than fiction or a Study.

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RE: BDSM = a study in human nature? - 7/26/2009 8:24:33 AM

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Which leads me more to think that BDSM is essentially a study in human nature.

What do you think?

A relationship dynamic does not define a relationship, it is just a framework through which we express and interact.

I think If you really want to understand "human nature" you need to study individual people, regardless of the construct through which they relate.

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RE: BDSM = a study in human nature? - 7/26/2009 8:52:42 AM

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Which leads me more to think that BDSM is essentially a study in human nature.

What do you think?

A relationship dynamic does not define a relationship, it is just a framework through which we express and interact.

I think If you really want to understand "human nature" you need to study individual people, regardless of the construct through which they relate.

BDSM is about far more than a relationship dynamic, if it was it would be known as D/s instead of BDSM. Within the framework of S&M a lot human nature... D/s itself so much about human nature, Bongage and Discipline again so much about human nature. BDSM consist of a group of variable combination contructs through which people do relate. However for every Generalization or General Rule that can be established there are things that will break those generalizations.

Trying to establish Group Norms for BDSM is rather difficult because of wide range of varience. At best you can come up with groups of variantions on any one topic, schoold of thought.

What counts the most are people to be in touch with their own Human Nature and the Human Nature of their partner. That's what counts the most BDSM.

Know theyself and your partner. So many people are drawn to BDSM thinking if they can learn everything about BDSM it will solve all thier own personal issues. The key is knowing yourself and your partner.

Personally, I believe, I think and I feel... many people have things rather back asswards. Trying to squeeze your relationship and yourself into a Jello mold is a mistake.

One can sit online here all damn day long trying to figure out what is or is not appropriate to do within the contructs of BDSM, does not matter because it will all change and vary from Relationship to Relationship.

I will say this, some of the people I most respect for their posts to this message board, are the one's that are in committed functioning relationships and have been for awhile now. They tend to make great contributions to the message boards.

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RE: BDSM = a study in human nature? - 7/26/2009 9:06:18 AM

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Stella...I believe you are almost right... It is a study in human nature...but a very small study of a very minor group of like minded people... hardly human nature in general...more like abhorrent human nature to the vanilla world.

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