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IrishMist -> RE: Worship a Female sub. (7/26/2009 6:22:00 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Malkinius Greetings sub.... quote: ORIGINAL: hardbodysub LOL, what a scene that would be! Club Fem vs. Gor, with both combatants trying to lose. I love it! I think you haven't much of a clue about Goreans. Correct that. I KNOW you don't. <grins> Goreans never sub to anyone. Be well.... Malkinius snicker I know lol, very unladylike to do that but....I could not help myself...I had this picture in my mind of a Gorean [sm=bowdown.gif] ....and well....it will never happen and it was just too funny thinking about it

PeonForHer -> RE: Worship a Female sub. (7/26/2009 6:36:53 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: CatdeMedici No, to Me superiority is an individual statement, not one to be assigned enmasse to a culture, race, gender, or age. I couldn't even assign superiority to an individual person over another. In fact, it only makes sense to me to talk in terms of a superior degree of this or that quality shown by one individual over another. As far as I'm concerned a dominant is a dominant because he/she wants to dominate. A submissive is submissive because he/she wants to submit. I don't see why any more is needed than that. The 'wanting' doesn't need any justification or rationalisation.

ishyB -> RE: Worship a Female sub. (7/27/2009 3:31:45 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: hardbodysub quote: Don't be surprised if someday you run into a female sub with the opposite belief, male supremacy, and each time you call her Mistress, she lowers her eyes and begs this "Lord and Master" to call her by her slave name. If you humbly beg to serve such a woman, she may very well fall on the ground before you, groveling and beging to clean your toes with her filthy unworthy mouth. A clash of ideologies like that would be something to see, actually!...and maybeto wager upon, as in which person will ultimately "out-sub" the other? :D LOL, what a scene that would be! Club Fem vs. Gor, with both combatants trying to lose. I love it! Greetings, Goreans don't even belief in male supremacy... so how could you put one vs the other? Goreans belief in dominance on an individual basis, not on a merit of sex. For me personally, I am an owned Kajira and I would never submit to somebody weaker then myself. As a Kajira, I am expected to show deference to everybody that is not a slave, but that isn't the same as submitting to everybody and I certainly doesn't mean I would have to deffer or submit to a male slave just because he happens to have a dick... I like men in a leading position so I tend to view male slaves as weak. I don't view them as my equals, but as males to weak to lead. I have not problem with them kissing my ass or submitting to me, in fact they better do that, because I would NEVER submit to them (since I view them as weak) or ever deffer to them unless I was ordered too. I am sure that there are some male supremacist s-types out there... but you certainly are not going to find them on the Gorean side of things. I wish you well, ishy

BoiJen -> RE: Worship a Female sub. (7/27/2009 4:49:14 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: slavemick63 As a male submissive slave who believes in Female led Society,I look at all Women to be superior to me as a male sub...and that includes Female subs.Anyone else think this ? I would have to say in response to that, that you are not very submissive at all. You are then forcing your desire to objectify a female, any female, on that female. Which, as already stated is insulting, not only to the female s-types you do that to, but their owners, and any woman you would end up serving. This is whole, objectify the D-type thing female supremacists have really just tends to piss Dommes off. Cuz that's exactly what you're doing, objectifying the individuals you supposedly worship. Last I checked, it was the D-type that was supposed to enjoy the luxury of objectifying the s-type, not the other way around. boi boiwhips.com (coming soon!) custom whips by boijen check out my fetlife page for examples of my work

OttersSwim -> RE: Worship a Female sub. (7/27/2009 6:03:56 AM)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88cHjQk_gZg At about timestamp 2:30 to 2:50 is where I come down on this topic...

slavemick63 -> RE: Worship a Female sub. (7/27/2009 7:16:52 AM)
I do respect all Women,and of course I respect Female subs wanting to be submissive.In my OP I was just pointing out the fact that I view them Superior to me.That is all,I would never ask one to let me serve her,because again I respect what she is. Hope this makes sense ? runs away to a safe distance and waits for the flak

hardbodysub -> RE: Worship a Female sub. (7/27/2009 7:31:24 AM)
quote: Goreans don't even belief in male supremacy... so how could you put one vs the other? Well, my comment was meant to be more humorous than literal. But I don't think it was as far off base as you think. Part of our disagreement or misunderstanding is that even though the terms seem clear-cut, "male supremacy" and "female supremacy" mean slightly different things to different people. Some people define "male supremacy" to mean that every female individual is inherently inferior to every male. Period. No exceptions. Others define it more generally as males being the stronger and inherently dominant gender. I find the absolute definition to be so ludicrous that nobody without brain damage could seriously adhere to it. All it takes to completely discredit that theory is one example that doesn't fit; one member of the supposedly inferior gender being better than one of the supposedly superior gender. ishyB (and tazzygirl as well), I'm well aware that Gor isn't exclusively maledom/femsub. However, it clearly is the norm. I find that Goreans typically do have a general belief in male supremacy. Male slaves (kajiri, if you please) are typically disrespected and considered weak because of the predominant philosophy that men are naturally stronger and supposed to be dominant. Self-identified Gorean kajirae that I have known almost always seem to profess adherence to the belief that males are naturally dominant, and women naturally submissive. A kajira isn't necessarily submissive to all males, but what happens if she loses her master, if he dies? Chances are pretty good she'll end up slave to another male. FYI, although Club Fem's members and activities are exclusively female dominant, it doesn't necessarily profess an absolute female supremacist philosophy, either.

GoddessOrchid -> RE: Worship a Female sub. (7/27/2009 7:47:51 AM)
I agree. Male and female supremacy are often viewed differently. Many male Doms often have the mentality that even a Female Dominant is simply a bratty woman that can be broken. Why do you think many Female Dominants receive e-mails for male Doms or male Doms who make themselves look like slaves or submissives? This is also an insult to the Domina female. When someone cannot respect who she. If you are male who believes ALL women are superior. You need to then setup boundaries and limits for yourself as a submissive slave.You can be respectful to any woman without making it obvious that it is about the fact you view her as superior. Also you need to know when to open your mouth. Like a situation when a dominant wants to include you in a scene that goes against your own values and beliefs. Learn to excuse yourself and be the better person to say no thank you. It is all about the choice you make for you. Never allow someone to make you change your belief system.

ishyB -> RE: Worship a Female sub. (7/27/2009 7:59:41 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: hardbodysub ishyB (and tazzygirl as well), I'm well aware that Gor isn't exclusively maledom/femsub. However, it clearly is the norm. I find that Goreans typically do have a general belief in male supremacy. Male slaves (kajiri, if you please) are typically disrespected and considered weak because of the predominant philosophy that men are naturally stronger and supposed to be dominant. Self-identified Gorean kajirae that I have known almost always seem to profess adherence to the belief that males are naturally dominant, and women naturally submissive. A kajira isn't necessarily submissive to all males, but what happens if she loses her master, if he dies? Chances are pretty good she'll end up slave to another male. That was exactly what I was saying. [:)] Kajirae would not try to 'out-sub' a male slave by serving him, because they would consider said male slave to be weak and undeserving of service -unless the owner gives different directions of course. Kajirae vs males that belief in absolute female supremacy like the OP would pretty much always result in the male slave kissing ass and the kajira ignoring him at best.

PeonForHer -> RE: Worship a Female sub. (7/27/2009 10:23:45 AM)
This is whole, objectify the D-type thing female supremacists have really just tends to piss Dommes off. To be fair, a number of those female supremacists are Dommes, BoiJen. They do quite a competent job of objectifying themselves.

XYisInferior -> RE: Worship a Female sub. (7/27/2009 11:20:03 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: slavemick63 As a male submissive slave who believes in Female led Society,I look at all Women to be superior to me as a male sub...and that includes Female subs.Anyone else think this ? quote: ORIGINAL: CaringandReal A lot of female submissives find it offensive or uncomfortable to be around a male who disrespects our orientation and choices so much that he tries to force us into his own selfish mold with no concern for our feelings or who we truly are. It smacks of a very sexist male habit: objectifying the woman, seeing her as an object to satisfy your narcissistic desires (a female dominant) rather than respecting her enough to see her as she really is (another slave or servant, just like you). While I found this response to be a little over the top in relation to the simply stated OP, it does touch upon something relevant with many men in heels; often their "submission" is rather tenuous without the cross dressing and "humiliation" that makes them in essence doted upon stars of the show. CaringandReal's description of narcisistic desires is spot-on in many cases. On that line of thinking, I suppose I'll go a little over the top as well, and answer to things in the post that really aren't evident. I tend to find it somewhat amusing that many cross dressers envision a Female-led society as emasculating men into perpetual sissification. How convenient for such fetishists, to think of it that way. Somehow I suspect a Matriarchal society would look much different where it comes to males. Masculinity and maleness, while no doubt integrated, most likely wouldn't be crushed into a fine grain of panty-wearing sissies covered in make-up. In that light, I'd be willing to wager most would find the reality of a Female-led society rather boring, in fact.

MasterSlaveLA -> RE: Worship a Female sub. (7/27/2009 11:35:00 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: CaringandReal A lot of female submissives find it offensive or uncomfortable to be around a male who disrespects our orientation and choices so much that he tries to force us into his own selfish mold with no concern for our feelings or who we truly are. It smacks of a very sexist male habit: objectifying the woman, seeing her as an object to satisfy your narcissistic desires (a female dominant) rather than respecting her enough to see her as she really is (another slave or servant, just like you). Don't be surprised if someday you run into a female sub with the opposite belief, male supremacy, and each time you call her Mistress, she lowers her eyes and begs this "Lord and Master" to call her by her slave name. If you humbly beg to serve such a woman, she may very well fall on the ground before you, groveling and beging to clean your toes with her filthy unworthy mouth. A clash of ideologies like that would be something to see, actually!...and maybeto wager upon, as in which person will ultimately "out-sub" the other? :D Truly, it is can be very insulting and offputting to a female slave or submissive to be treated this way, so don't be surprised if one day a girl tries to give you a dose of your own medicine. This should be one of those sticky-note thingies... [sm=agree.gif]

XYisInferior -> RE: Worship a Female sub. (7/27/2009 11:49:59 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BoiJen This is whole, objectify the D-type thing female supremacists have really just tends to piss Dommes off. Cuz that's exactly what you're doing, objectifying the individuals you supposedly worship. Last I checked, it was the D-type that was supposed to enjoy the luxury of objectifying the s-type, not the other way around. With many men, this is quite true. With others, I've known it as a more conscious understanding that they are slaves to their male senses, which in turn makes them very pliable objects for Women who know how to seduce.

tazzygirl -> RE: Worship a Female sub. (7/27/2009 2:13:34 PM)
so its your belief that a dominant male can and will allow himself to be seduced, therefore controlled, by a woman?

IrishMist -> RE: Worship a Female sub. (7/27/2009 2:18:36 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl so its your belief that a dominant male can and will allow himself to be seduced, therefore controlled, by a woman? Umm Miss Tazzy...all you have to do is look at his profile to find the answer to that [&:]

tazzygirl -> RE: Worship a Female sub. (7/27/2009 2:27:52 PM)
quote: ishyB (and tazzygirl as well), I'm well aware that Gor isn't exclusively maledom/femsub. However, it clearly is the norm. I find that Goreans typically do have a general belief in male supremacy. Goreans believe in natural order. if its natural for a male to be a slave, then he will be. will others look down on him for it? probably, no different than a woman who believes in female supremacy would look down on me for wanting to be a slave, which is true to my nature. quote: Male slaves (kajiri, if you please) are typically disrespected and considered weak because of the predominant philosophy that men are naturally stronger and supposed to be dominant. disrespected.... hmmm... we dont see it as slaves deserving respect. slavery is a humbling experience, forcing the slave to set aside their own immediate wants to please those we serve. but within that service we can find respect, internally. quote: Self-identified Gorean kajirae that I have known almost always seem to profess adherence to the belief that males are naturally dominant, and women naturally submissive. IF that is there nature. There are many women who are Free, who are submissive perhaps to one man, their mate, or to no man. And, again, male slaves do have a place within the gorean culture. most who whine about not being respected and welcomed are those who within moments of meeting them quickly forget about the humility of servitude and embrace the notion to challenge a Man. male or female, we are slaves. we do not challenge. quote: A kajira isn't necessarily submissive to all males no, she isnt. but she better be subservient. unless granted permission otherwise quote: but what happens if she loses her master, if he dies? Chances are pretty good she'll end up slave to another male. Could be she regains her Freedom. its been known to happen. most will remain free for some time before seeking the collar of another, unless her Master has chosen otherwise.

tazzygirl -> RE: Worship a Female sub. (7/27/2009 2:29:13 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: IrishMist quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl so its your belief that a dominant male can and will allow himself to be seduced, therefore controlled, by a woman? Umm Miss Tazzy...all you have to do is look at his profile to find the answer to that [&:] lol Mist... thats like saying just because your female, you will be seduced by every man. please... oh please.. tell me there arent still people out there that stupid!

Missokyst -> RE: Worship a Female sub. (7/27/2009 3:23:00 PM)
Interesting. ALL females? So technically if a female had an IQ of 70, or was a minor who hadn't gone to school, or a women who had 12 kids by age 29 via artificial insemination, or a cute little drug prone singer who shows off her naked crotch when getting out of cars and has her life managed by someone else because she cannot do it... those females are superior to you? Umm... exactly why would any dominant female want you again? Kyst quote: ORIGINAL: slavemick63 I do respect all Women,and of course I respect Female subs wanting to be submissive.In my OP I was just pointing out the fact that I view them Superior to me.That is all,I would never ask one to let me serve her,because again I respect what she is. Hope this makes sense ? runs away to a safe distance and waits for the flak

XYisInferior -> RE: Worship a Female sub. (7/27/2009 3:45:17 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl quote: ORIGINAL: XYisInferior With many men, this is quite true. With others, I've known it as a more conscious understanding that they are slaves to their male senses, which in turn makes them very pliable objects for Women who know how to seduce. so its your belief that a dominant male can and will allow himself to be seduced, therefore controlled, by a woman? In some cases, yes. In others, no. Inversely, there are dominant women who have fallen to men for one reason or another. I'm not certain where you're going with your question. In any case, I hope it was answered.

thishereboi -> RE: Worship a Female sub. (7/27/2009 4:02:15 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: PeonForHer This is whole, objectify the D-type thing female supremacists have really just tends to piss Dommes off. To be fair, a number of those female supremacists are Dommes, BoiJen. They do quite a competent job of objectifying themselves. Yea and their profiles make great reading if you need a good laugh.

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