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RE: What is Strength - 7/26/2009 12:59:32 PM   
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Status: offline 		This thread has me wondering about the concept of Natural Strength vs. Strength that is gained otherwise.

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RE: What is Strength - 7/26/2009 1:08:36 PM   
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1.  Doing what you believe you should do even if it's scary, unpleasant or inconvienent.

2.  Accepting that you will sometimes fuck up point 1. and dealing with it when it happens.



That's the best description so far, for me. Simple, to the point and encapsulating.

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RE: What is Strength - 7/26/2009 1:21:31 PM   
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The ability to not only endure, but grow under pressure.


That explains the size of my ass....

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RE: What is Strength - 7/26/2009 1:25:23 PM   
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Status: offline 		What kind of strength makes no difference... for instance...

I am a Harvard Professor...all the brain power in the world... I just won a law suite against the Cambridge police Department and my pockets are filled with money. As I walk down the street wondering if my new front door key will work I see a teenage boy approaching me. He stares at me as I get closer... he speaks ...I can tell he is an uneducated street urchin suppressed by the local white man. When I say hello he punches me in the face with a huge fist… I am knocked to the ground dazed… I try to struggle using all my superior brain but he is just too strong. He reaches into my pockets and takes all my money… damn now I will have to nicely ask Sgt. Crowley to get my money back… the cracker.

So in this case as always… strength only means how do I get my way.

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RE: What is Strength - 7/26/2009 1:50:48 PM   
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(A definition thread and I haven't got pedantic about etymology.  Go me!  )

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RE: What is Strength - 7/26/2009 5:14:09 PM   
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Status: offline 		Strength to me is having the ability to face your fears and a willingness to work on overcoming them.

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RE: What is Strength - 7/26/2009 6:52:52 PM   
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Status: offline 		The application of your will or influence on either circumstances, other people or yourself to either maintain a good equilibrium between your circumstances and your quality of life or to improve such an equilibrium.

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RE: What is Strength - 7/26/2009 7:05:09 PM   
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Status: offline 		I see strength as courage.

It is beautiful to witness, and ennobling to experience...and rare in most, yet frequent in many each day, often quietly so.

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RE: What is Strength - 7/26/2009 8:00:49 PM   
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Status: offline 		Once more, the case is overstated, and over analysed. Strength is the ability to do. The more strength you have, the more you can do, the more you do, the more strength you have. It doesn't have to be physical, and it doesn't need an audience. In fact, any thing you do requires strength of some sort: The strength to rise and face a new day, the strength to pick up a bag of groceries, the strength to care for that special someone, or the strength to put up with your boss's B.S. for another day. We all have it, in certain measure. Some are physically stronger, some emotionally, some in a way that just can't be defined, but it can be seen. Just remember that every time your strength is tested, there is a reward, greater strength.

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RE: What is Strength - 7/26/2009 10:03:06 PM   
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Thoughts?


Sure. Nonsense question.

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RE: What is Strength - 7/26/2009 11:05:22 PM   
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Thoughts?

My first thought is that the question cannot be answered without a context.

For example... do you have the strength to lift those weights.  The context is physical, how physically strong are you.
Example:  Do you have the strength to endure these circumstances?  The context is a personal one, strength of will.
Example:  Do you have the strength to change these circumstances?  The context is ability, do you have the ability to affect your enviroment.
Example:  Do you have the strength to quietly refrain from acting on your impulses?  The context is self discipline, do you have self control.

Without such context, we cannot know what sort of strength a person might mean.  And having one sort doesn't mean you have another sort.  You can have a strong will, but not strong self discipline.  Someone might have little physical strength, but through other forms still move mountains.

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RE: What is Strength - 7/26/2009 11:18:45 PM   
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ORIGINAL: ThatDamnedPanda

The ability to not only endure, but grow under pressure.


That explains the size of my ass....


Don't be silly! You're perfect in every way; so whatever size your ass happens to be, I'm sure it's exactly right and just as gorgeous as the rest of you. So there.


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RE: What is Strength - 7/26/2009 11:32:19 PM   
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Strength is the ability ot engage in legitimate suffering.


Leadership,  this quote intrigues me very much, but I wonder-- what distinguishes legitimate suffering from other kinds?




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RE: What is Strength - 7/27/2009 2:20:43 AM   
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standing firm and unwilling to change from ones views no matter how foolish, backword and outlandish they are.

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RE: What is Strength - 7/27/2009 2:45:26 AM   
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ORIGINAL: LillyoftheVally

A couple of threads are skirting around this issue at the moment, so it got me wondering what is strength?

For me physical strength is pretty simple but strength as a human being a little more complex, I think that being who you are can be very strong but facets of who you are may be weakness' so maybe strength is the ability to see who you are and improve that which needs it, but then how many of us can really see who we are?

Thoughts?


Or Would want to

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RE: What is Strength - 7/27/2009 12:41:28 PM   
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Thoughts?


Sure. Nonsense question.




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RE: What is Strength - 7/27/2009 1:17:15 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Padriag


My first thought is that the question cannot be answered without a context.

For example... do you have the strength to lift those weights.  The context is physical, how physically strong are you.
Example:  Do you have the strength to endure these circumstances?  The context is a personal one, strength of will.
Example:  Do you have the strength to change these circumstances?  The context is ability, do you have the ability to affect your enviroment.
Example:  Do you have the strength to quietly refrain from acting on your impulses?  The context is self discipline, do you have self control.

Without such context, we cannot know what sort of strength a person might mean.  And having one sort doesn't mean you have another sort.  You can have a strong will, but not strong self discipline.  Someone might have little physical strength, but through other forms still move mountains.


Well stated.


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RE: What is Strength - 7/27/2009 8:45:58 PM   
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ORIGINAL: sravaka
Leadership,  this quote intrigues me very much, but I wonder-- what distinguishes legitimate suffering from other kinds?

*shrugs* I can only answer for me.

"Legitimate" suffering is suffering which forwards my goals (as opposed to suffering for martydom purposes or just plain stupidly). In a really simple example, today Carol was out painting the house. It was HOT out. I did not want to go out and help paint. I didn't NEED to go out and help paint... she is, afterall, my slave and in fact would've painted without me.

Strength is what enabled me to suffer the annoying job in the sweltering heat.


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RE: What is Strength - 7/27/2009 9:55:26 PM   
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Status: offline 		I'll add a thought to this which occured to me this evening.  I believe suffering and strength are inseparable sides of the same coin, that one cannot have the one without the other.  It is through suffering that we discover what our true strengths are.  Though many may imagine themselves strong in one fashion or another, it is not until Life thrusts us into the crucible of suffering that all the dross is burned away and whatever truth, whatever real strength we have is left.  Consider that physical strength finds its measure when it is pitted against great obstacles... and that only when the muscles are strained to the breaking point, when pain wracks the body, do we know the true limits of our physical strength.  So it is too with the Will to endure hardship, stress, and deprivation... it is not til our Will is pushed to the breaking point that we know truly how strong it is... or isn't.

Many go through life never facing any such tests.  Some avoid them whenever possible and that in itself reveals something about them.  Others seek out such challenges again and again, even when they fail.

In the end, the measure of anyone's strength is not to be found in words or boasts, but in deeds and pain.

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RE: What is Strength - 7/28/2009 12:03:07 PM   
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Status: offline 		And carrying on with that thought Padriag...

I am currently right in the middle of uprooting our very safe and comfortable life to do an international move to a place where neither of us can hold a job. There are, predictably, a lot of fears and concerns. Just recently I said to Carol that I was coming to see that fear as a good thing. I don't think us humans do well in a situations of too much safety & security. More is, perhaps, not always better with those things.

So we are "suffering" now as we try to get it all squared away and I'm sure we will suffer further as we try to figure out how to make it all work. in the end, however, we will overcome that suffering and that which did not kill us will have made us stronger. That effect is already visible as I watch Carol become "more mine" as she comforts herself by saying, "I'm his and he'll make it work. My job is to obey and support."

I think suffering and strength go together but perhaps not just in the way that you describe. Using a weight lifting example, you could readily say that the weights on the bar take the measure of my muscles. But way more significantly than that, it is the weights on the bar which in fact created a lot of those muscles. I think that strength is a muscle which we can both gain and lose again through the exercising of that muscle. The natural "resistance" to strength is... well.. suffering and adversity.

For me, I have never "sought out such challenges". I frequently find myself in very difficult situations at the pointy end of the stick, but I don't seek out being there (all in the corporate sense, not military). In fact, the whole concept of deliberately seeking out dangerous and unhappy situations is somewhat foreign to me. I usually ended up there because somebody had to do it and I didn't see a whole lot of other people stepping forward.


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