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Another "Please don't taze me bro" thread - 7/27/2009 5:35:49 PM   
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Police brutality, anyone?


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...The exchange between Officer #3 and the suspect during the incident was captured on a police officer's recorder. Murphy transcribed some of it in his report:

Officer #3: Do you feel this?

Complainant: Yes, sir.

Officer #3: Do you feel that? That’s my -

Complainant: Okay

Officer #3: -Taser up your ass.

Complainant: Okay

Officer #3: So don’t move.

Complainant: I’m trying not to. I can’t breathe.

"This exchange, especially the complainant’s response, strongly suggests that, at that moment anyway, the Taser was pressed between the Complainant’s buttocks and near his anal area," Murphy wrote in his report on the incident.

Two circular burn marks 1 to 2 centimeters in size were found on the suspect's buttocks, Murphy said.

Officer #3 also threatened to use the Taser on the suspect's genitalia.Here's more of the transcribed recording of the exchange between Officer #3 and the suspect:

Officer #3: Now do you feel this in your balls?

Complainant: I do, sir. I’m not going to move. I’m not gonna move.

Officer #3 Now I’m gonna tase your balls if you move again.

A minute later, this exchange occurred:

Officer #3: Okay, I’m gonna take this Taser out of your asshole now. Are you going to fight with me?

Complainant: No, not at all, sir....


http://www.idahostatesman.com/newsupdates/story/841919.html




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RE: Another "Please don't taze me bro" thread - 7/27/2009 6:40:23 PM   
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Status: offline 		on first reading I thought it was hysterical, but then I thought about it some more and  .... well I still think its hysterical
very un PC of me I know and no I wouldnt like it done to me, but yes im still grinning.
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RE: Another "Please don't taze me bro" thread - 7/27/2009 6:42:46 PM   
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on first reading I thought it was hysterical, but then I thought about it some more and  .... well I still think its hysterical
very un PC of me I know and no I wouldnt like it done to me, but yes im still grinning.
Lucy


Yeah, I'll go along with this. I did think it was funny too. I've never faced this situation because I know when to shut my yap.

Technically yes, it could be brutality, but then since we only get to see the brief exchange, we'll not know all the details. Either way, a jury will award the guy lots more money than I'll make in a year and he'll continue being a douchebag while I, a non-douche, remain broke and working.


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RE: Another "Please don't taze me bro" thread - 7/27/2009 6:53:48 PM   
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Status: offline 		All it says in the article is that the officers were "disciplined." So I guess they weren't fired, which they should have been. Erasing the tape is evidence tampering, and shoving a taser in someone's ass is felony battery in my opinion. The sons of bitches should have been brought up on charges. If you or I did something like that, we'd be sitting in jail. I understand that police officers have to put up with some complete jerks, but for fuck's sake. If don't want to exercise some patience, then get another job.

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RE: Another "Please don't taze me bro" thread - 7/27/2009 7:02:46 PM   
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I'm with you but I'll go one step further - that was rape. That guy was cuffed, he was being sat on, and he was being violently battered and violated in a very sexual manner while he was being verbally threatened and abused.

If they don't want to be called pigs then they need to hold each other accountable to the same standards as everyone else is. These cops shouldn't just be fired they need to be sent up to prison where they belong. I'll lay odds that this kind of behavior didn't start here and it won't end here either, unless these police officers are held fully accountable.


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RE: Another "Please don't taze me bro" thread - 7/27/2009 8:04:25 PM   
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BUT>>>>>>>>>>>

i just KNOW this is getting some guy into extreme CBT all excited and drippy....

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RE: Another "Please don't taze me bro" thread - 7/27/2009 9:05:00 PM   
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BUT>>>>>>>>>>>

i just KNOW this is getting some guy into extreme CBT all excited and drippy....
That was what crossed my mind as well



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RE: Another "Please don't taze me bro" thread - 7/28/2009 11:50:26 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Arpig

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BUT>>>>>>>>>>>

i just KNOW this is getting some guy into extreme CBT all excited and drippy....
That was what crossed my mind as well





ditto

but it was still very very wrong for them to have done that


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RE: Another "Please don't taze me bro" thread - 7/28/2009 2:15:53 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Sanity
I'm with you but I'll go one step further - that was rape. That guy was cuffed, he was being sat on, and he was being violently battered and violated in a very sexual manner while he was being verbally threatened and abused.


I disagree here. It 'suggests' that, but the wounds on the guy (on his buttocks instead of his anus) indicate that the cop was just taking shit to sound tough. We're all guilty of 'talking shit' from time to time. The best and earliest example of 'talking shit' is in the 1940's movie "12 Angry Men" where one juror riles up another, who then shouts "I'm gonna kill you!" The first juror then looks at him and says "Gee...you don't 'really' mean you're going to KILL me, do you?"

Did he brutalize the guy? Maybe. But as I said before we don't know what else transpired. I'm sure I could go out right now and do any number of things to rile a cop up and have him say similar things to me, but if you don't hear on the tape what I did and I suddenly switch to mr sweet and innocent, saying 'yes sir' and 'no sir,'....it would make the cop look far worse than he actually was.

So he was brutal and will be punished. But, did he 'violate' the guy? I doubt it. It 'sounds' like it looking at the transcript, but then when you take 'shit talking' into account, plus the actual location of the tazer marks, it would seem to suggest otherwise.


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RE: Another "Please don't taze me bro" thread - 7/28/2009 7:56:48 PM   
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I'm with you but I'll go one step further - that was rape. That guy was cuffed, he was being sat on, and he was being violently battered and violated in a very sexual manner while he was being verbally threatened and abused.
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ORIGINAL: Sanity


agreed.

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RE: Another "Please don't taze me bro" thread - 7/28/2009 8:29:22 PM   
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The manner and actions of the arresting officer on the tape that they tried to erase was the same as that of a rapist, and were the situation reversed - had four or five "perps" got caught doing that same exact thing to some cop, who doubts that the charges would have included rape or at the very least sexual battery.

I don't doubt it for a second. Rape, sexual battery, and probably three or four other charges just for good measure.


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RE: Another "Please don't taze me bro" thread - 7/28/2009 10:46:22 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Sanity
I don't doubt it for a second. Rape, sexual battery, and probably three or four other charges just for good measure.


I suppose then it's lucky that the burden of proof is on the prosecution. Because there is easily enough 'reasonable doubt' that the cop was actually doing what he claimed in his words, especially with the evidence of where the tazer marks were found.

I can whisper or growl into your ear all I want about a tazer in your ass.....without solid proof all you have is my words, especially when the only proof you do have is marks that are *not* in the area where my words say they should be found.


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RE: Another "Please don't taze me bro" thread - 7/29/2009 3:59:43 AM   
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Internal taze marks aren't a requirement to prove rape... never have been.

And where exactly on his "buttocks" were the tazer marks found? The article doesn't say. And the pig didn't say he was tazing the guy up his ass - he asked if the guy could feel the tazer up his ass.

quote:

Officer #3: Do you feel this?

Complainant: Yes, sir.

Officer #3: Do you feel that? That’s my -

Complainant: Okay

Officer #3: -Taser up your ass.

Complainant: Okay

Officer #3: Now do you feel this in your balls?

Complainant: I do, sir. I’m not going to move. I’m not gonna move.

Officer #3 Now I’m gonna tase your balls if you move again.

A minute later, this exchange occurred:

Officer #3: Okay, I’m gonna take this Taser out of your asshole now. Are you going to fight with me?

Complainant: No, not at all, sir....



The only way an incident such as that would never be investigated as a possible rape is if it qualified as an (ahem) "internal police matter".


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I suppose then it's lucky that the burden of proof is on the prosecution. Because there is easily enough 'reasonable doubt' that the cop was actually doing what he claimed in his words, especially with the evidence of where the tazer marks were found.

I can whisper or growl into your ear all I want about a tazer in your ass.....without solid proof all you have is my words, especially when the only proof you do have is marks that are *not* in the area where my words say they should be found.



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RE: Another "Please don't taze me bro" thread - 7/29/2009 4:20:51 AM   
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Status: offline 		I doubt a charge of rape could be made to stick, in fact I don't think it would qualify as rape, at least not to my understanding of the legal definition of rape (though I may be wrong in that, I really have never actually looked it up), but sexual assault for sure (I think that's what you meant by sexual battery, but that's a term I am not familiar with).
As far as where he was actually tazed, well we just don't know, buttocks covers a lot of ground, but it doesn't require him to be tazed in the asshole, the tazer was shoved in his asshole, at least according to the cop, and then later in his balls, again by the cops own words, substantiated by the suspect's response. In fact, there is no need for a tazer to be shoved against any body part, it shoots from a distance, obviously if the suspect was immobile enough for the tazer to be shoved between his cheeks or into his balls, then he sure wasn't struggling very much.
Now I will grant that we don't know what transpired before this to so piss off the officer, but being pissed off is not an excuse for a policeman to abuse either his authority or a suspect. Both the Ombudsman and the police department agreed that the cop was way out of line, so I doubt there was all that much provocation. The guy was in custody and the cop was playing hard-ass with him. And if it was a righteous bust, then why did they erase the interview tape? That alone is illegal. I hope the suspect gets a good ambulance chaser and sues the cops in question.


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RE: Another "Please don't taze me bro" thread - 7/29/2009 4:33:49 AM   
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The officer should be charged by the same standard they would use to charge you or I is the point. Is penetration required to prove rape? I don't know, but I don't think that it should be. The cop in this case acts like a rapist, is the thing, and I've said it before - I'll bet you this wasn't the first or the last instance of this type of behavior on his part.






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RE: Another "Please don't taze me bro" thread - 7/29/2009 4:35:16 AM   
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RE: Another "Please don't taze me bro" thread - 7/29/2009 7:40:39 AM   
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All it says in the article is that the officers were "disciplined." So I guess they weren't fired, which they should have been. Erasing the tape is evidence tampering, and shoving a taser in someone's ass is felony battery in my opinion. The sons of bitches should have been brought up on charges. If you or I did something like that, we'd be sitting in jail. I understand that police officers have to put up with some complete jerks, but for fuck's sake. If don't want to exercise some patience, then get another job.


I'm with you SB.

What did they expect? That they would associate solely with model citizens?

Putting up with jerks (or worse) doesn't justify their bad behavior.

Law enforcement officials needn't be held to a higher standard, they need only be held to the same standards as others. We are alleged to be a nation of laws but that seems to be more theoretical than practical these days.

Most people are afraid of police officers, law abiding and law breaking alike. They are afraid of them because they so frequently comport themselves unprofessionally, without integrity, without concern and abusively. They usually "get away" with this kind of behavior as their coworkers, and the courts, typically support and protect them.

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RE: Another "Please don't taze me bro" thread - 7/29/2009 12:04:14 PM   
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The officer should be charged by the same standard they would use to charge you or I is the point. Is penetration required to prove rape? I don't know, but I don't think that it should be. The cop in this case acts like a rapist, is the thing, and I've said it before - I'll bet you this wasn't the first or the last instance of this type of behavior on his part.


And the standard that would be used against you or I in a similar circumstance would still be hard pressed to convict us based on words alone, especially since the there is evidence to the contrary. In most rape cases -- the ones that go beyond he said/she said that is -- the evidence (the ER visit, swab, photos, etc) indicates that sexual penetration has occured. If you have no evidence of that nature, you end up with a 'he said/she said' case which is very hard to prove. This is why rape crisis centers have been trying hard to educate women not to shower after the assault. If the evidence is washed away, the case becomes incredibly difficult to prosecute.

In this case, you have a recording of two people talking. One sure sounds like an asshole who's throwing around his authority, but as I've pointed out before, that alone isn't enough to convict for rape.

In the tape, the cop says "can you feel that up your ass" (paraphrasing). If it were really "up his ass" there would be evidence. If you think a taser can be inserted through clothing into an anus without leaving marks or wounds, you're wrong. So yeah, his words are pretty bad and yeah, he sounds like an asshole cop who needs some type of punishment. But rape is a pretty far-fetched allegation.


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