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FirmhandKY -> The Politics of Car Buying ... (7/28/2009 9:07:05 PM)
46% More Likely To Buy Ford 'Cause It Didn't Get A Bailout Monday, July 27, 2009 Public opposition to the auto bailouts may translating into consumer buying decisions, with 46% of Americans now saying they are more likely to buy a car from Ford because it did not take government money to stay in business. There are more interesting facts from the poll at the link. This was particularly timely for me, as I just bought a Jeep for one of Treasure's sons. He wanted a Jeep. Nothing else was even under consideration. But, I gotta tell you, after visiting three local Chrysler-Jeep dealers, and finding two of them with their doors shuttered, and weeds growing in their lots, I really was having second thoughts about either Chryler, or GM for any future purchases. One of the two closed Chrysler dealers is where I've had Treasure's car serviced, and we had wondered why we hadn't been getting any more of the constant mailings from them. I currently drive a Ford, and while I've not always been a "Ford man", I've been extremely pleased with it over the last couple of years, to the point that I'm pretty committed to a Ford for my next vehicle. The bailouts have done a good job of cementing that thought. How about you? Have the bailouts affected which car you might buy? Firm

Arpig -> RE: The Politics of Car Buying ... (7/28/2009 9:59:50 PM)
Not really, because I am not in a position to buy a car financially, however, if I was, then yes I would be very tempted to buy a Ford, not because they diudn't take bailout money, but because they didn't need it (subtle difference). If I buy a new car, I expect the manufacturer to be there to honour the warranties and to supply replacement parts, etc. for the life of the vehicle. Given their past performance, I am just not sure about GM or Chrysler, however the fact that Ford, when faced with exactly the same market forces and Unions somehow managed to not go tits up speaks volumes to me. Of the big three, Ford is the only one that managed to actually stay in business and not go bankrupt. Well that and the fact that I had 2 Mercury cars a while back and they were trusty vehicles (except for the fucking ignition modules) I'm crazy 'bout a Mercury

TheHeretic -> RE: The Politics of Car Buying ... (7/28/2009 10:02:16 PM)
I already bought a Honda. I was persuaded to do that by the fact that the other companies built crap. Think that might be why they needed a bailout in the first place?

housesub4you -> RE: The Politics of Car Buying ... (7/29/2009 1:08:59 AM)
I have to agree with you on that. We are looking at getting a new car and the Big 3 are not even being looked at. They did it to themselves by building crap for so long and thinking they could just dump them on us. The last Big 3 I owned was a Dodge, and 4 days after I bought it the AC started on fire and burnt the thing up, I needed a lawyer to get Dodge to even talk to me. Never again

fadedshadow -> RE: The Politics of Car Buying ... (7/29/2009 2:52:49 AM)
i don't think it's really the best idea to purchase cars brand new. you're probably better off getting something a little bit older. of course you'd have to do your homework when it comes to that but it beats paying monthly on something that depreciates so much. that's how i feel

UglyTruth -> RE: The Politics of Car Buying ... (7/29/2009 2:56:13 AM)
No, sir. The bailouts won't affect my decision to buy another Japanese car.

servantforuse -> RE: The Politics of Car Buying ... (7/29/2009 7:37:20 AM)
When UAW workers in US plants started buying Hondas and other imports 25 + years ago that said alot to me about our quality. I have a Hyundai and will buy another one.

thishereboi -> RE: The Politics of Car Buying ... (7/29/2009 7:39:24 AM)
I have 3 immediate family workers and lots of friends who work for Nissan, so no this won't change a thing for me.

rulemylife -> RE: The Politics of Car Buying ... (7/29/2009 8:10:05 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: servantforuse I have a Hyundai and will buy another one. Good choice. And keep buying those made in China blue-light specials at Wal-Mart, make sure you buy the quality Japanese tv and sound system, and then be sure to stop back and tell us how Obama is ruining the economy.

servantforuse -> RE: The Politics of Car Buying ... (7/29/2009 8:27:47 AM)
Actually they are made in Korea. They also have a 10 year / 100,000 mile warranty, something the US makers won't do or are afraid to do.

CallaFirestormBW -> RE: The Politics of Car Buying ... (7/29/2009 10:03:33 AM)
quote: How about you? Have the bailouts affected which car you might buy? Yeah... I bought a street scooter and screw 'em all. DC

rulemylife -> RE: The Politics of Car Buying ... (7/29/2009 10:04:11 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: servantforuse Actually they are made in Korea. They also have a 10 year / 100,000 mile warranty, something the US makers won't do or are afraid to do. Yeah, I know where they are made. And I bet you have one of those American flag magnets hanging on it too.

servantforuse -> RE: The Politics of Car Buying ... (7/29/2009 10:15:18 AM)
No flags or bumper stickers. It looks nice the way it is. I'm not so sure about it being a blue light special though. It is an XG350L and was nearly $28,000 new. I wouldn't blame Obama for the demise of US automakers. They made a poor product for many years.

Hillwilliam -> RE: The Politics of Car Buying ... (7/29/2009 10:24:03 AM)
I bought a new saturn a bit over a year before all this crap came about and Im just happy that it looks like Penske has bought the brand. He has a good reputation as a businessman so hopefully that brand will at least survive. As for the remark of no American car maker offering a 10/100 warranty. I not only have that but free scheduled maintenence for 5 years (ya gotta negotiate)

MarsBonfire -> RE: The Politics of Car Buying ... (7/29/2009 4:01:35 PM)
Not really. I tend to agree with faded shadow. I like to get good value for my money, and paying through the nose on the interest on a new vehicle, and keeping maximum insurance on it during the term of the loan just kills the joy of new car ownership. Especially when the moment you drive it off the lot, it's market value is cut in half. Fuck that. I'll keep buying cars and trucks that are older, that I can service myself without a Phd from Cal Tech just to open the fucking hood. However, I hope you all have noticed the ongoing success of the "Cash for Clunkers" program. $4,500 in trade in allowance for older, less fuel efficient vehicles. From the news reports I've been following, the sales at struggling dealerships (yes, even embattled GM ones) is brisk. Several manufacturers are offering matching cash, knocking an amazing NINE GRAND off the purchase price! The car makers get tons of customers, we get more dirty gas guzzlers off the road, and the consumer gets a new car at a great price. Gosh, what a great OBAMA ADMINISTRATION idea!

DomImus -> RE: The Politics of Car Buying ... (7/29/2009 4:14:57 PM)
No bailout effect here. My first car purchase was a Ford as will be my final car purchase.

Lorr47 -> RE: The Politics of Car Buying ... (7/30/2009 8:19:45 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: fadedshadow i don't think it's really the best idea to purchase cars brand new. you're probably better off getting something a little bit older. of course you'd have to do your homework when it comes to that but it beats paying monthly on something that depreciates so much. that's how i feel In our 30s my wife and I bought all our vehicles from private parties in East Grand Rapids. There was full disclosure because people did not want to be seen as breaking the law by hiding something about the vehicles. Anytime we were defrauded there was a dealership involved. The middle class (what is left of them) tends to be very truthful. Once you start dealing with businesses you seem to be met with the attitude that they can say anything to sell a vehicle.

Lorr47 -> RE: The Politics of Car Buying ... (7/30/2009 8:29:48 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: servantforuse Actually they are made in Korea. They also have a 10 year / 100,000 mile warranty, something the US makers won't do or are afraid to do. I am somewhat turned off by GM since one of the first cars to be sold in the US is a Chinese manufactured car for those who cannot afford a more expensive vehicle. Let's see we bail out GM and end up a majority shareholder and virtually the first car sold her is made in China. How that helps the US economy is beyond me. As to Ford, read about the history of the Detroit Lions and then decide if the company can do anything right.

Lorr47 -> RE: The Politics of Car Buying ... (7/30/2009 8:31:11 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: CallaFirestormBW quote: How about you? Have the bailouts affected which car you might buy? Yeah... I bought a street scooter and screw 'em all. DC What kind of scooter and do you like it?

popeye1250 -> RE: The Politics of Car Buying ... (7/30/2009 10:56:19 AM)
Over the last 20 years I've owned three Mercury cars and three Ford pickups and now a Lincoln MKS and haven't had any problems with them. The trucks were incredably tough and reliable! Hyundai may need to have a 100,00 mile warranty, a Ford pick-up isn't "broken in" until it has 200,000 miles on it. Oh sure, you could buy a Lexus for $60k and after it goes off warranty you'd go broke paying three times as much for parts and repairs, basically a Toyota with leather seats and 50 more horsepower, awful cars for the consumer and a money pit for Toyota. "This is my towtruck driver Freddy." "Sure the exhaust system cost me $3,800 to replace but I can afford it." That happened to a friend of mine, he had to replace a part that he could hold in his hand for $380 and a whole bunch of other things too. He spent a small fortune on that POS Lexus before wising up and getting rid of it and buying a Corvette. It seemed like every other week the Lexus was "in the shop" and I let him borrow my Mercury to go where he needed to go. Funny, people remember cars from 30 years ago when many of them (were) crap but, that was 30 years ago! Today American cars are just as good and in many cases better than imports. Everyone I know always had good luck with Fords/Mercurys/ Ford Trucks. And the CEO of Ford, Alan Mulally is doing an outstanding job. Wait till you see the new Ford Taurus for the 2010 model year!

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