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Insights welcome - 2/20/2006 12:08:13 PM   
Eriayasha


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Hellos all.

I am researching to give a lecture to Dominants of the brand-new/ slightly used variety. I am not a Dominant, and I would love to get some feedback on questions per the Dom viewpoint.
I am using 'sub' or 'submissive' to cover all slaves, property, etc, etc. I'm hoping that I can compile the answers and come up with some common things to cover in this lecture.
Thanks!

1. How do you go about meeting/ finding submissives?

2. What (to you) defines a 'good' submissive versus a 'bad' sub?

3. Do you take into account vanilla activities/ interests a submissive has?

4. What commonalities do you want to have with a prospective sub?

5. What is your idea of reward/ punishment?

6. What is one (or two) things that you wish someone had told you when you started out?


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RE: Insights welcome - 2/20/2006 12:31:57 PM   
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1. How do you go about meeting/ finding submissives?


By not looking for them. To flip an old zen quote on its ear, when the teacher is ready, the student will appear.

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2. What (to you) defines a 'good' submissive versus a 'bad' sub?


A good submissive makes me happy. A bad submissive makes me unhappy.

The most important word in the preceding two sentances is me. What makes me happy is not what will make everyone happy. Good and bad are about how well dom and sub match.

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3. Do you take into account vanilla activities/ interests a submissive has?


Of course. Elle had this conversation once with a prospective slave. Elle stated that we only play with intelligent, strong, confident and interesting people. The slave asked, "Why?" Elle replied, "because those are the poeple we like to hang out with." If you are going to be spending time with someone, you had better like more than just the way they kneel.

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4. What commonalities do you want to have with a prospective sub?


Same language and complimentary power orientation preference is a must. Almost everything else is open for negotiation.

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5. What is your idea of reward/ punishment?


We use sceneing as one form of reward. We don't really punish...if a slave did something for which we would seriously need to punish them, they would no longer serve us. Small infractions are usually dealt with by a stern word and a harsh look. We are quite good at giving those out. *smile*

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6. What is one (or two) things that you wish someone had told you when you started out?


The vast majority of people are clueless. Find the one or two in your life that matter and stick with them.

Taggard

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RE: Insights welcome - 2/20/2006 5:24:32 PM   
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1. How do you go about meeting/ finding submissives?

Online works for some but there are also clubs in many cities that will let you meet people in the lifestyle face-to-face and that really helps.

2. What (to you) defines a 'good' submissive versus a 'bad' sub?

There are three things that make for a good Sub. They are: attitude, Attitude, and ATTITUDE ! ! You can work around everything else.

3. Do you take into account vanilla activities/ interests a submissive has?

I do. And I would think you would have to if you lived in the real world and not just the BDSM world. I want a Sub who is compatible in lots of things, not just sex or scene-ing.

4. What commonalities do you want to have with a prospective sub?

RESPECT, laughter, easy trust, love of sex and play, willingness to please each other.

5. What is your idea of reward/ punishment?

Rewards: Overnight road trips together or a day of just staying home and playing together.
Punishment: That can vary from a spanking to witholding orgasm or more.


6. What is one (or two) things that you wish someone had told you when you started out?

That I'm not alone or weird and there ARE ladies out there who like and even desire the same things that I want.



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RE: Insights welcome - 2/20/2006 6:15:21 PM   
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I could give you hindsights! LOL

I'm sure your lecture will be a fantastic one.......Tall Dark and Witty answered the questions very well...I ditto!

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RE: Insights welcome - 2/21/2006 3:05:55 AM   
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1. How do you go about meeting/ finding submissives?


Currently mainly on-line because I'm gearing up to move. Once I move I'll be looking in the local clubs and munches too.

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2. What (to you) defines a 'good' submissive versus a 'bad' sub?


The biggest thing I look for is a sense of reality. She isn't in love with the fantasy of D/s she has thought through what she wants and worked out what that would mean in the real world.

A bad sub (Bad as in certainly not what I'm looking for, wether it might be what someone else is looking for isn't my concern) is the kind that drops to her knees at my feet within five minutes of meeting declairing she wants to do whatever I want her to do and that she has no limits. Whilst this might be very flattering, it is also very stupid and for her, very dangerous given she hasn't taken a reality check and realised she doesn't know me at all. Submission should come when trust has been built and trust doesn't come overnight nor all at once, it takes time.

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3. Do you take into account vanilla activities/ interests a submissive has?


Yes, they give an idea of who the person is. I don't have to share all those interests but I have to be able to recognise a personality that I find interesting. Are the interests showing me an introvert, an extrovert or someone with elements of both? I am looking for a person, not just a body and those interests help me build a picture of what sort of person she might be and get me interested enough to look further.

If I am not interested in her as a person, then I have little use for her submission.

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4. What commonalities do you want to have with a prospective sub?


Most importantly is that mutual spark that moves a person from being just attractive to someone you care about, if there is no potential for that spark then everything else is irrelivant. I can 'play' with someone I do not care about, but I can't be her master.

Communication, honesty, openness, intelligence and her need to submit matching with my need to direct.

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5. What is your idea of reward/ punishment?


The biggest reward or punishment for a sub who loves her master is him showing when he is pleased and when he is not.

Occasionaly that however needs reinforcing. Especialy where punishment is concerned.... if only to give her a sense of closure on whatever caused the displeasure. What that takes the form of depends on the sub. There is no point using spanking on a sub who enjoys being spanked, that simply reinforces negative behaviour and leads to them delibratly being displeasing simply to get the 'reward' of being punished.

Rewards should be things she likes and enjoys. Punishments quite the opposite, they should be difficult and at least a little unpleasent so that she wishes to avoid the behaviour that brings them about.

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6. What is one (or two) things that you wish someone had told you when you started out?


I was lucky in that I got good advice at the start.
"Enjoy the fantasy but leave it in your head, out here you deal with the reality"
"Don't rush, keep it safe"
"It isn't a weakness to admit you need to learn more about something before going further with it"



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RE: Insights welcome - 2/21/2006 8:06:12 AM   
Eriayasha


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Thanks to all who have responded thus far.

Talldarkandwitty said:
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The most important word in the preceding two sentances is me. What makes me happy is not what will make everyone happy. Good and bad are about how well dom and sub match.


Um.. yeah. I'm aware of that. What I'm looking for is what TO YOU defines the good vs bad. My idea here is to get a bunch of viewpoints.

Eria

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RE: Insights welcome - 2/21/2006 8:24:57 AM   
TallDarkAndWitty


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ORIGINAL: Eriayasha
Um.. yeah. I'm aware of that. What I'm looking for is what TO YOU defines the good vs bad. My idea here is to get a bunch of viewpoints.


Hmmm...there is this one sig line that reads "Service isn't one big thing, it is a thousand little things." That really speaks to me. Attention to detail is what makes me happy.

Taggard

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RE: Insights welcome - 2/21/2006 8:30:00 PM   
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quote:


1. How do you go about meeting/ finding submissives?

2. What (to you) defines a 'good' submissive versus a 'bad' sub?

3. Do you take into account vanilla activities/ interests a submissive has?

4. What commonalities do you want to have with a prospective sub?

5. What is your idea of reward/ punishment?

6. What is one (or two) things that you wish someone had told you when you started out?


1. Sometimes the sub finds you.

2. Just failure of chemistry. Otherwise there is not 'good and bad'.

3. Of course I consider all aspects. You have to live with the vanilla long after.

4. Brains, sexual compatibilty, compassion, generosity, affection, love.

5. I am reward.

6. That BDSM was not abuse but enjoyable for both parties.

7. Yes, I'm wonderfull and still available.


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RE: Insights welcome - 2/21/2006 8:59:18 PM   
Gideon147


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1. How do you go about meeting/ finding submissives?
What I have noticed is that submissives are everywhere. Online, in everyday life, really everywhere. People that I had thought to be dominant in nature will often surprise me when the subject turns to the lifestyle.

2. What (to you) defines a 'good' submissive versus a 'bad' sub?
Honesty. Not just with me, but with themselves. You see, the more open a submissive is the more full the experience can become. But most relationships exist in a vaccuum. It is special and can only be defined by those in it. Ask any number of bosses what makes a good employee and you're very likely to get different, often conflicting answers.

3. Do you take into account vanilla activities/ interests a submissive has?
I feel that a good Dominant must accept the whole of the submissive, not just the "BDSM" side. If both the submissive and the Dominant are not satisfied, then the relationship often weakens.

4. What commonalities do you want to have with a prospective sub?
Intelligence, creativity, a perception of the imagination grounded on reality, mental stability and a certain amount of independence. I realize the "independence" part may ruffle some feathers, but to me a submissive should be able to exist without me and not be completely reliant upon me fielding every want and need.

5. What is your idea of reward/ punishment?
It is easy to choose one path...positive or negative reinforcement. And if used effectively both may accomplish much. Personally, I choose the middle way. I focus on one teaching at a time, and depending on the lesson, apply either positive or nagative reinforcement. I refer you to Cicero's "de Finibus Bonorum et Malorum" written in about 45 B.C. I feel you might find this antiquated philosophy quite prevalent in modern society in all people of all lifestyles.

6. What is one (or two) things that you wish someone had told you when you started out?
And here is where I refer you to all of my previous answers. There is so much that this lifestyle can teach you, but I think you can spend a lifetime learning just the same.

Gideon

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RE: Insights welcome - 2/21/2006 10:35:28 PM   
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I find'em at Walmart. You know--watch out for falling prices. And you can return them with no questions asked if they're defective or something.

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ORIGINAL: Eriayasha

1. How do you go about meeting/ finding submissives?


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RE: Insights welcome - 2/21/2006 10:58:29 PM   
Isara


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1. How do you go about meeting/ finding submissives?


Through local munches and parties and through mutual Dom and Sub friends alike. Often it's begun here on the internet and progressed offline.
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2. What (to you) defines a 'good' submissive versus a 'bad' sub?


A good sub for me is someone who is able to challenge me mentally, who is willing to learn and grow alongside me, a bad sub assumes they know it all and has a bad attitude.
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3. Do you take into account vanilla activities/ interests a submissive has?


I sure do. ;) I'm into art and I love films and books, I like to share vanilla interests with my boy or girl just as much as I enjoy the 'kink' side.
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4. What commonalities do you want to have with a prospective sub?

Respect? A good sense of humour? An easy relationship-not as in it's not work, but it's no -hassle- no fighting over small inconsequential things. Loyalty.
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5. What is your idea of reward/ punishment?


That varies from sub to sub, for some? Ignoring them when they've been naughty is the worst punishment I can dish out. For other subs, having quiet time to themself is the greatest reward I can give them. It varies.
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6. What is one (or two) things that you wish someone had told you when you started out?


Never-ever, wear high heels when doing an intense scene, unless you're very used to them. Take water to munches as well as lollies, and something like nuts, which is a good treat/sugar/salt replenisher for both me and for the Sub after a scene.


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RE: Insights welcome - 2/22/2006 7:17:27 AM   
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quote:

1. How do you go about meeting/ finding submissives?
2. What (to you) defines a 'good' submissive versus a 'bad' sub?
3. Do you take into account vanilla activities/ interests a submissive has?
4. What commonalities do you want to have with a prospective sub?
5. What is your idea of reward/ punishment?
6. What is one (or two) things that you wish someone had told you when you started out?

1. I don't actively look. I place myself in like-minded areas, online and off. They come.
2. Good=places Master first in all things. Bad=a sense of "self first".
3. Sure. I don't make my schedule by it, but a happy slave is a good one
4. M/s tenants, loyalty, pride, honor, duty, integrity
5. What she loves most/What she fears most
6. Don't whip a self proclaimed masochist if you don't know her without a disclaimer.

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RE: Insights welcome - 2/24/2006 8:41:11 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Eriayasha

1. How do you go about meeting/ finding submissives?

2. What (to you) defines a 'good' submissive versus a 'bad' sub?

3. Do you take into account vanilla activities/ interests a submissive has?

4. What commonalities do you want to have with a prospective sub?

5. What is your idea of reward/ punishment?

6. What is one (or two) things that you wish someone had told you when you started out?



1) I have run into submissives in all sorts of places..online(not in even remotely D/s areas),at dinner parties etc. (usually in one of those weird how did we get on this topic discussions that happens near the end of the night)

2) Good= Willingness to try new things,Openess,Honesty and all the other stuff you look for in any relationship. Bad= dishonesty,arrogance,an unwillingness to adapt

3) Absolutely.. it isn't all whips and chains 24/7

4) Common interests both D/s and otherwise, I want to feel a mutual fascination where we are both so incredibly intrigued that we are obsessed with what makes the other tick( yeah I know I don't want much hehe),Shared language obviously and a general common respect.

5) Reward=Attention Punishment= Silence or distance

6) Always take things very seriously..except for yourself

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RE: Insights welcome - 2/24/2006 9:50:10 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Lordandmaster

I find'em at Walmart. You know--watch out for falling prices. And you can return them with no questions asked if they're defective or something.

1. How do you go about meeting/ finding submissives?


Kinda, I am in agreement as offhanded and serious with what LaM said here.

First of all, subs/slaves whatever are a dime a dozen....so are doms/masters.........

When you deal in the lassize faire market, it is simply that.

I come from the days when it was not cool to be me.

So, you go out to the bar; by example, push every one around cause nobody wants to start trouble and see who is gonna lower their eyes when you look at 'em........but then give you a number and watch you closely..........or if you are slumming it ..........go late and see the drunk boyfriends passed out at the table and the woman who wants to 'fix his ass'........

I nowaday, would rather be the drunk boyfriend passed out at the table and let the significant other fix my ass; mostly.........

because it has no meaning, everybody has toys..........whatever......

LOL,
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RE: Insights welcome - 2/25/2006 6:31:36 PM   
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1. How do you go about meeting/ finding submissives?


Primarily within the local scene where I can watch them and get a feel for them, maybe develope a friendship before serious consideration. Secondarily online through services like collarme, but the online very few serious leads in finding someone, but it can be done if one is patient enough.

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2. What (to you) defines a 'good' submissive versus a 'bad' sub?


Either they are a sub who is serious and committed to their lifestyle choice or they are just playing a game and far more concerned with their fantasies or motivated by what they can get from the dynamic than truly serving. In which case are they really subs or just like to play one? Being a sub or slave requires a real commitment to the lifestyle they have chosen. To me 95% mindset that guides their actions, dedications and devotion.

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3. Do you take into account vanilla activities/ interests a submissive has?


Of course! They are human beings and there is more to life than living in a dungeon 24/7.

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4. What commonalities do you want to have with a prospective sub?


Mindset, (psychological, physical and emotional expectations of the lifestyle dynamic entered into), real life interests outside of the lifestyle and both short and long term goals.

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5. What is your idea of reward/ punishment?


These are very subjective. Rewards can be anything from extra attention, verbal recognition, to physical rewards in some form. Punishment can be anything from a verbal repremand to a punishment spanking (I used a specific strap that is quite painful), to denial of Master's time and attention depending on the severity and nature of the offense. Again, very subjective, both rewards and punishment should fit the action/offense.

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6. What is one (or two) things that you wish someone had told you when you started out?


It sure would be nice of experienced Doms were there to offer support and mentoring to new Doms. This is why I make of point of doing exactly that versus being critical of those new who clearly don't know what their doing. Its been a while so I can only think of the one thing. *S*

Best of luck with your lecture!


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