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RE: Define God - 8/5/2009 3:00:02 PM   
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But the origin of life is seperate from the fact of evolution.

Not necessarily so. In my model of the origin of life there was a pre-biotic evolution.

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RE: Define God - 8/5/2009 4:19:11 PM   
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But the origin of life is seperate from the fact of evolution.

Not necessarily so. In my model of the origin of life there was a pre-biotic evolution.



If I understand you, we agree...evolution isnt seperate from the origin of life and may in fact have led to it.

In any chemical model, including inorganic chemistry, the principles of evolution apply. Inorganic molecules that are better able to withstand their environment form and are sustained for longer periods. They in turn have more opportunity to combine with other molecules to form even more complex compounds. Given enough time and the proper conditions.... abiogenesis.

"Evolution" applies to all systems that are capable of change at all, from biological genetics to computer code.

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RE: Define God - 8/5/2009 8:51:50 PM   
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Is the brain hardwired for religion?

Religion is one of the three things you're never supposed to talk about if you don't want your dinner party to turn into a food fight. But what about looking at religion through the lens of science instead of faith? Is there a connection between our gray matters and our pray matters?

It started out as an ordinary day for Saul back in A.D. 36. He wanted to murder disciples of a man who claimed to be the Messiah, and he was on his way to Damascus to do so. Then, on the way to Damascus, a light flashed all around Saul. He fell to the ground and heard a voice that claimed to be Jesus Christ. The voice told him to continue to the town, a task likely made no easier by the blindness Saul experienced when he got up. Saul remained blind for three days, until a disciple named Ananias laid hands upon him. Saul's sight was restored, and he immediately became baptized. After his experience, Saul became a powerful preacher for Jesus; today, he's better known as St. Paul.


Paul's story is interesting not just to biblical scholars, but to neuro-scientists as well. Some scientists claim that the account of this conversion, found in the book of Acts, contains enough evidence to diagnose Paul with temporal lobe epilepsy. The flash of light, the voices and the fall to the ground are the evidence of a seizure, according to these neuroscientists, with the blindness a result of the postictal state that follows a seizure [source: Brorson, Brewer]. While most doctors agree that it's impossible to diagnose epilepsy definitively in someone who lived so long ago, Paul would join some other religious figures reputed to have brain disorders, including Moses and St. Teresa of Avila [sources: BBC, Begley].

http://health.howstuffworks.com/brain-religion.htm

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RE: Define God - 8/5/2009 9:55:51 PM   
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Rudi Affolter and Gwen Tighe have both experienced strong religious visions. He is an atheist; she a Christian. He thought he had died; she thought she had given birth to Jesus. Both have temporal lobe epilepsy.

Like other forms of epilepsy, the condition causes fitting but it is also associated with religious hallucinations. Research into why people like Rudi and Gwen saw what they did has opened up a whole field of brain science: neurotheology....

Religious leaders

History is full of charismatic religious figures. Could any of them have been epileptics? The visions seen by Bible characters like Moses or Saint Paul are consistent with Rudi's and Gwen's, but there is no way to diagnose TLE in people who lived so long ago.

There are, though, more recent examples, like one of the founders of the Seventh Day Adventist Movement, Ellen White. Born in 1827, she suffered a brain injury aged 9 that totally changed her personality. She also began to have powerful religious visions.

Representatives of the Movement doubt that Ellen White suffered from TLE, saying her injury and visions are inconsistent with the condition, but neurologist Gregory Holmes believes this explains her condition.

http://www.howstuffworks.com/framed.htm?parent=brain-religion.htm&url=http://www.bbc.co.uk/science/horizon/2003/godonbrain.shtml

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RE: Define God - 8/5/2009 10:05:44 PM   
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Status: offline 		I suspect that Saul acquired the same brain disorder as I have had since I "died". Saul died on the road to Damascus, that is my interpretation.
Curiously, in Acts 9;7 his companions heard the voice, but in Acts 22;9 Saul says that his companions did not hear the voice.

The interpretation of the neuroscientists is wrong. What occurred did not come from within, but from an external source. Saul also says in Acts 22;9 that his companions also saw the light. Are those neuroscientists thus diagnosing all his companions as well with simultaneous temporal lobe epilepsy? They all got temporal lobe epilepsy at the same time? Clearly scientists these neuroscientists are not.

What happened to Saul on his road to Damascus was due to Divine intervention. I know precisely what happened to him. I might as well have stood next to him on that road. It was a once in a hundred billion event. My own death due to Divine intervention on the other hand was a quite inconspicuous event.

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RE: Define God - 8/6/2009 2:26:28 AM   
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"i thought that always about St Paul. And I think thatSt John of Patnos ate mouldy rye seeds and hallucinated.There's no other reasonable explanation for the chapter of Revelations!!!!!!"

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RE: Define God - 8/6/2009 2:44:08 AM   
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A friends email about this:
"i thought that always about St Paul. And I think thatSt John of Patnos ate mouldy rye seeds and hallucinated.There's no other reasonable explanation for the chapter of Revelations!!!!!!"

Your friend is insufficiently reasonable.


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What top and God - 8/6/2009 2:50:58 AM   
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Status: offline 		What happened to you was inconspicuous because today we have the ability to explain scientifically these events. In the days when people believed the earth was flat about 2000 years ago there was no logical explanation.

It used to be that if someone had epilepsy they would be taken to a priest for an exorcism. Now of course you would take the person to a doctor.

The Blasphemy Challenge

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i7QVbJnSPQE&feature=PlayList&p=04625E7010AD2FD4

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RE: Define God - 8/6/2009 2:53:04 AM   
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RE: Define God - 8/6/2009 3:14:20 AM   
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The following article by Albert Einstein appeared in the New York Times Magazine on November 9, 1930 pp 1-4. It has been reprinted in Ideas and Opinions, Crown Publishers, Inc. 1954, pp 36 - 40. It also appears in Einstein's book The World as I See It, Philosophical Library, New York, 1949, pp. 24 - 28.

http://www.sacred-texts.com/aor/einstein/einsci.htm

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RE: What top and God - 8/6/2009 3:22:19 AM   
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What happened to you was inconspicuous because

You do not know what happened to me. Thus how can you assert a 'because'?

Your baseless assertions and opinions do not correlate with your nick.

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RE: Define God - 8/6/2009 3:24:23 AM   
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You don't know her.

I do not need to know her. I know me and that suffices.

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RE: Define God - 8/6/2009 3:29:03 AM   
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The following article by Albert Einstein

I ain't going to waste my time on reading links. Have you no own thoughts in your Brain? Why are you quoting other people, even authority persons? Quoting another (authority) person does not a truth make.

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RE: Define God - 8/6/2009 3:38:32 AM   
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The reason why science and religion are actually incompatible is that, in the real world, they reach incompatible conclusions. It’s worth noting that this incompatibility is perfectly evident to any fair-minded person who cares to look. Different religions make very different claims, but they typically end up saying things like “God made the universe in six days” or “Jesus died and was resurrected” or “Moses parted the red sea” or “dead souls are reincarnated in accordance with their karmic burden.” And science says: none of that is true. So there you go, incompatibility.

http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2009/06/23/science-and-religion-are-not-compatible/

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RE: Define God - 8/6/2009 3:49:16 AM   
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Science and Religion are Not Compatible Cosmic Variance Discover Magazine

The reason why science and religion are actually incompatible is that, in the real world, they reach incompatible conclusions. It’s worth noting that this incompatibility is perfectly evident to any fair-minded person who cares to look. Different religions make very different claims, but they typically end up saying things like “God made the universe in six days” or “Jesus died and was resurrected” or “Moses parted the red sea” or “dead souls are reincarnated in accordance with their karmic burden.” And science says: none of that is true. So there you go, incompatibility.

http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2009/06/23/science-and-religion-are-not-compatible/

Gee, another quote. I guess you read tazzygirl's posts?

It is quite simple: science investigates causal relationships, whereas spirituality and religions study non-causal relationships.

As for the text quote that I made bold: these things were witnessed and happened (as for the 'red' sea: it parted for Moses, not by Moses; I dunno that it says anywhere that God made the universe in six days. It says that he made heaven and Earth in six days - that is something else entirely). So there! Science that!

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RE: Define God - 8/6/2009 3:54:55 AM   
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I guess we shouldn’t be too surprised to see this in Turkey, the only country that has a lower rate of acceptance of evolution than the United States.

The premise:

Each week, a different group of atheists will appear in front of the religious leaders [a Muslim imam, a Christian priest, a Jewish rabbi and a Buddhist monk]… if an ex-atheist is “persuaded” to start following one of the religions, he or she will have the chance to travel to that religion’s center, whether Jerusalem for Christians and Jews or Mecca for Muslims or Tibet for Buddhists.

http://friendlyatheist.com/2009/06/28/new-reality-tv-show-convert-the-atheists/

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RE: Define God - 8/6/2009 3:56:42 AM   
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RE: Define God - 8/6/2009 3:59:38 AM   
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Status: offline 		Please start your own Brain's quotes thread. They have nothing to do with this thread.

Define God as asked by the OP. Do not bore me with your quotes, please.


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RE: Define God - 8/6/2009 4:01:34 AM   
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Brain, I have never seen you post your own thoughts.  Only link after link after link.
What makes you any different to any religious person whom only throws religious scriptures at people and who doesn't have a mind of their own?
 
Plus, you really are quite disrespectful.
 
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RE: Define God - 8/6/2009 4:02:39 AM   
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I ain't going to waste my time arguing with you because you're the one who lacks the ability to reason.



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