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RCdc -> RE: Define God (8/4/2009 9:00:18 AM)

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

for the sake of discussion... God is good... Satan is evil... God created Satan.. can we agree that this is, typically, the way most christians believe?

and as someone pointed out in an earlier post... people die without god interceding...


The amount of christians I have known or spoken with, none of this is an absolute truth.  So no.
 
the.dark.




Rule -> RE: Define God (8/4/2009 9:00:34 AM)

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ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy
Satan is neither, he illuminates both, as his name implies.
... And Lucifer the light

Satan and Lucifer are not identical, but different gods.




RCdc -> RE: Define God (8/4/2009 9:03:19 AM)

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ORIGINAL: pyroaquatic
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A young man went to a temple and ask a wise man about God. The wise man exclaimed "I am God, you are God, everything is God."
With a burst of energy the young man rushed out of the temple to test his powers of Godliness. The man stood in the path of an elephant and it's rider. The rider yelled to get out of the way but the young man stood fast.

Trampled but not dead the young man healed enough to limp his way back to the temple and angrily confronted the wise man. The young man recounted his story.

"Well why did you not get out of the way when God told you to do so before you were trampled by God?"
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I am not sure why I remember this little story. I am not even sure if this is the right story (heavily paraphrased).




I have always loved that particular 'story'.  Sometimes it is an elephant, sometimes a train.[:)]
 
the.dark.




Rule -> RE: Define God (8/4/2009 9:03:47 AM)

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl
now, typically, Christians also believe in Jesus Christ, who died on the cross, the only begotten son of god, for the sins of us all... according to their religious belief, or at least as far as i remember it being taught.. agreed? im not asking anyone if these questions are true in your own belief... but are they true in the religious belief of christians?

I am interested in truths only, not in the beliefs of mortals.




tazzygirl -> RE: Define God (8/4/2009 9:05:30 AM)

the truths and science will soon follow




RCdc -> RE: Define God (8/4/2009 9:06:56 AM)

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ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy
Satan is neither, he illuminates both, as his name implies.
... And Lucifer the light


Satan and Lucifer are not the same necessarily.
 
the.dark.




sweetsub1957 -> RE: Define God (8/4/2009 9:09:24 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

now, typically, Christians also believe in Jesus Christ, who died on the cross, the only begotten son of god, for the sins of us all... according to their religious belief, or at least as far as i remember it being taught.. agreed? im not asking anyone if these questions are true in your own belief... but are they true in the religious belief of christians?

Typically yes, I would say Christians believe it.  As a child they did tell me that in sunday school.




RCdc -> RE: Define God (8/4/2009 9:10:47 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

now, typically, Christians also believe in Jesus Christ, who died on the cross, the only begotten son of god, for the sins of us all... according to their religious belief, or at least as far as i remember it being taught.. agreed? im not asking anyone if these questions are true in your own belief... but are they true in the religious belief of christians?


Christians are defined by their belief in Jesus Christ.
 
the.dark.




pyroaquatic -> RE: Define God (8/4/2009 9:13:32 AM)

....and Buddha warned us against the extremes in this existence and finding the perfect balance will lead to transcendence.

Jesus warned us of the wide path that leads to destruction and to take the narrow one to lead to salvation.

Christianity does not have the market on God. I am not sure what your point is Tazzy.




tazzygirl -> RE: Define God (8/4/2009 9:14:19 AM)

thank you, sweetsub.

now, science says we have five senses to explore the world around us. have any of us seen Jesus? have any of us touched him, smelled him, tasted him, heard him? i would fathom most would say... no not personally... agreed?




tazzygirl -> RE: Define God (8/4/2009 9:15:27 AM)


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ORIGINAL: pyroaquatic

....and Buddha warned us against the extremes in this existence and finding the perfect balance will lead to transcendence.

Jesus warned us of the wide path that leads to destruction and to take the narrow one to lead to salvation.

Christianity does not have the market on God. I am not sure what your point is Tazzy.



i assure you, there is a point... but we have to come to some agreements on the basics first




RCdc -> RE: Define God (8/4/2009 9:16:05 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

thank you, sweetsub.

now, science says we have five senses to explore the world around us. have any of us seen Jesus? have any of us touched him, smelled him, tasted him, heard him? i would fathom most would say... no not personally... agreed?


Disagree.
 
the.dark.




tazzygirl -> RE: Define God (8/4/2009 9:17:11 AM)

you have explored Jesus with your senses?




cpK69 -> RE: Define God (8/4/2009 9:17:35 AM)

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ORIGINAL: pyroaquatic

....and Buddha warned us against the extremes in this existence and finding the perfect balance will lead to transcendence.

Jesus warned us of the wide path that leads to destruction and to take the narrow one to lead to salvation.



Add it up, divided by 2, subtract the mo' par, and what do I get? Truth. Truth will lead to balance... set you free... is the path least taken... No?

Kim




willbeurdaddy -> RE: Define God (8/4/2009 9:18:42 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Darcyandthedark

quote:

ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy
Satan is neither, he illuminates both, as his name implies.
... And Lucifer the light


Satan and Lucifer are not the same necessarily.
 
the.dark.



My recollection from Sunday school many long years ago (and supported by several internet cites) is that it was merely a name change when Lucifer was cast out of heaven. But then who cares whether a work of historical fiction rewritten like a game of telephone can have different interpretations?




RCdc -> RE: Define God (8/4/2009 9:18:50 AM)

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

you have explored Jesus with your senses?


According the christianity - It could be claimed as so.
 
the.dark.




tazzygirl -> RE: Define God (8/4/2009 9:19:32 AM)

according to science?




RCdc -> RE: Define God (8/4/2009 9:20:49 AM)

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ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy


quote:

ORIGINAL: Darcyandthedark

quote:

ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy
Satan is neither, he illuminates both, as his name implies.
... And Lucifer the light


Satan and Lucifer are not the same necessarily.
 
the.dark.



My recollection from Sunday school many long years ago (and supported by several internet cites) is that it was merely a name change when Lucifer was cast out of heaven.

 
And lots of internet sites could be sited that refute the claim.
I rarely use internet sites as gospel.
 
the.dark.




RCdc -> RE: Define God (8/4/2009 9:25:17 AM)

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

according to science?


That depends.
Nothing can really be answered in such a black and white way as you are aiming for.  Black and white would be easier - but neither science nor faith would be half as interesting.[:D]

I know that 'that depends' sounds vague.  But you would need to define what exactly you are aiming for, to get clear answers.
  • If you want personal accounts, that desire one to tap into faith.
  • If you want religious comparrisons, one has to delve into the teachings, which are different due to each seperate religion and then each seperate denomination.
  • If you want science comparrisons, one needs to chose the scientific method you want to explore via.

 
the.dark.




willbeurdaddy -> RE: Define God (8/4/2009 9:25:52 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Darcyandthedark

quote:

ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy


quote:

ORIGINAL: Darcyandthedark

quote:

ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy
Satan is neither, he illuminates both, as his name implies.
... And Lucifer the light


Satan and Lucifer are not the same necessarily.
 
the.dark.



My recollection from Sunday school many long years ago (and supported by several internet cites) is that it was merely a name change when Lucifer was cast out of heaven.

 
And lots of internet sites could be sited that refute the claim.
I rarely use internet sites as gospel.
 
the.dark.



And I never use the Gospel as gospel. see my edit above. It is clearly disputed, apparently even within the Catholic Church.




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