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slvemike4u -> RE: Will USA fall like Rome? (8/3/2009 11:28:45 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Lockit

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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

Are the barbarians at the gates?


Nope... but they were voted in and put in charge of all of us.
Really?What ticket were the Barbarians running on....what was their party platform....who are behind these sinister Barbarians?
Please don't tell me it's the Democrats....I was felt they were civilised,well at least as civilised as politicians come.



Lockit -> RE: Will USA fall like Rome? (8/3/2009 11:49:07 AM)

Barbarians come in all shapes and sizes... from all sorts of backgrounds and from all types of tickets. Hell, I am even related to a few. lol Now be nice to me!



housesub4you -> RE: Will USA fall like Rome? (8/3/2009 11:51:39 AM)

and some pose as members of the GOP too, the barbarians I would think are more of the special interest kind.  Wherein all they really care about is that the corporate state stays in power 



slvemike4u -> RE: Will USA fall like Rome? (8/3/2009 12:13:50 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Lockit

Barbarians come in all shapes and sizes... from all sorts of backgrounds and from all types of tickets. Hell, I am even related to a few. lol Now be nice to me!
Have you ever known be to be anything other than nice?
Question restricted to Lockit....otherwise there will be a whole line of people waiting to point out a whole list of offences....lol.



awmslave -> RE: Will USA fall like Rome? (8/3/2009 1:17:01 PM)

The question has been analyzed by many:
http://www.marketoracle.co.uk/Article12407.html

Nobody really knows. US fall has been predicted at least 40 years. I have read articles from 1960-s pointing out the dangers of explosive rise of middle manager class and all kinds of paper movers relative to actual production of something useful.
I think the biggest danger to US is not economy related but rather inability of the government to execute right policies. This is what we see now. Empire can go down fast. Remember USSR? Still, if wars can be avoided, fall of US will mean mostly redistribution of wealth, a reduction of US influence in World affairs and a temporary economic hardship for many.



Lockit -> RE: Will USA fall like Rome? (8/3/2009 3:46:27 PM)

LOL Slavemike! I would only ask a few to be nice to me because it can be a joke... you are one of them.



Jack45 -> RE: Will USA fall like Rome? (8/4/2009 5:33:21 PM)

Best possible scenario is heartland Americans toss out the Commisars.
However that may not happen.
So next best scenario is the US ends up like Brazil.
Probably NOT going to happen.
More like Mexico, only with fierce tribal competition for the diminishing goodies.

A guy name Tom Chittum wrote a book 14 years ago titled CIVIL WAR II.

Out of print but it is online.

The guy was a prophet.

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The Democrats support of Sotomayor and La Raza shows us what Obama’s "post racial" America really looks like. Designated minority victim groups are free to promote their anti-white racist agenda, while any whites who fight back are playing "racial politics."

July 31, 2009, Former Congressman Tom Tancredo represented Colorado’s 6th Congressional District from 1999 to 2009



slaveboyforyou -> RE: Will USA fall like Rome? (8/4/2009 6:14:56 PM)

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Bush tried his hand at "empire building" and it's nearly destroyed us (it may yet!)


No he didn't. If you believe that, you obviously don't know what an empire is.



GotSteel -> RE: Will USA fall like Rome? (8/4/2009 8:39:49 PM)

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ORIGINAL: slaveboyforyou

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Bush tried his hand at "empire building" and it's nearly destroyed us (it may yet!)


No he didn't. If you believe that, you obviously don't know what an empire is.


Learning more about the various theories on why Rome fell might also help the OP.



philosophy -> RE: Will USA fall like Rome? (8/6/2009 9:49:01 AM)

...i don't think the USA will fall like the Roman Empire did. However what seems to me more likely is a process of balkanisation. (More likely does not mean probably btw).
i could see a process where the USA splits into a number of smaller countries, essentially states or groups of states rejecting federal government and taking over those roles and duties.
There is always an undercurrent of distrust of Federalgovrnment in the USA. Given the right (and rare) circumstances that could escalate into secession.



shadowowl -> RE: Will USA fall like Rome? (8/6/2009 1:23:40 PM)

The roman empire is believed to have been a victim of its' own devices, lead lined pipes for water which where great invention if they didn't use lead.  the lead of course slowly poisoned them and made them stupider each generation so it was only a matter of time before others where smarter and able to topple rome.  This is a theory of course but one that is held in high regard.

America has the same problem but not lead.  America's weakness is fast food it's making the population fat and unhealthy the national IQ average in America has been slowly dropping over the last 20 years and currently is below the averages of Asia and Europe. 
So will the USA topple like rome?    it's already happening it's just a matter of time before the rest of teh world advances past us.  I say us even though I'm canadian it's the western way of life that is failing us and Canada is just as bad as the USA.   You can also include australia in that line up but australia is actually the lowest IQ average in the world right now even lower then Africa which should be the lowest since they have the worst condition and lowest quality in food source.
Europe is holding strong though while Asia is gaining fast as the quality and conditions improve in places like China they will soon over power the USA as the worlds leading economic powerhouse.  
Maybe no one can beat the USA in a war with the exception of Russia which I believe would end up being to close to call and both sides would lose. but American way of life will destroy itself just as the roman way of life did.   people need more education and awareness of what goes into our body or it will be the end of things. 
But just my opinion :) 
oh and for reference of IQ averages..
http://www.sabahan.com/2007/01/18/worlds-average-iq-distribution-map/
so lets wake up and start eating our broccoli while we still know what's going on :P



FullCircle -> RE: Will USA fall like Rome? (8/6/2009 1:33:16 PM)

The USA can't be compared to the Roman empire so how can it's possible demise be compared with that of Rome? To compare two failure mechanisms they have to have similar characteristics to begin with.

The size of the Roman empire was it's biggest weakness, people talk of this mighty Roman army as if every Roman centurions originated in Rome. Rome was a concept empire local people noticed the benefits of being part of it and the dangers of refusing to be part of it. This is all that kept it together and when German tribes rose up against it, it would soon be fuckered.

You can extend a long arm but if your arm is cut off at the armpit your just as troubled as if it were cut off at the elbow...

That was a concise history of the Roman empire.



CatdeMedici -> RE: Will USA fall like Rome? (8/6/2009 5:47:38 PM)

Well it took Rome 5000 years, we are only 300+ years old, that gives us maybe 4000 yet, I'd say we have hope.[8|]



MrRodgers -> RE: Will USA fall like Rome? (8/6/2009 8:54:46 PM)

Watch the Swiss franc. Once it reaches parity...then start looking for a new place for your kids to retire. They will not need to know how much that Chevy will cost or its fuel. Schwinns don't use gasoline.

We are first turning this country into a big Italy where in a generation the dollar and
lira could reach parity...then we will be told we are all rich. We will again have more than one family (even several) to a house only it will not be called a recession or depression. It will be called the new middle class.

Rome fell from spreading their empire to thin and the elitist hedonism. America will not fall but will be marginalzed and broke from its own hedonism. We were borrowing $6 billion/day...now its up to $15 billion PER DAY. (total public and private debt and soon...$6 trillion/yr)



Jack45 -> RE: Will USA fall like Rome? (8/7/2009 2:54:47 PM)

The Fed bought $7 billion in Treasuries Thursday and even more Wednesday.
With money created out of thin air.

America is becoming a 3rd world nation.

This affects all these studies showing this or that.

Is that what you all wanted?

You better be TOUGH, real tough to survive in a nation where your race, if you are white, is considered the root cause of everyone else's misery in life.

Sotomayor's fellow La Raza, in fact he was given the La Raza "Chicano of the Year" award several years ago, Professor at University of Texas at Austin, Jose Angel Gutierrez, said:
"We have got to eliminate the Gringo, and what I mean by that is that if the worse comes to the worst, we have got to kill him" and that "our devil has pale skin and blue eyes."

I had read his words and listened to them several years ago, it was good to see former Congressman Tancredo remind people of them in his July 31st article on Sotomayor and her gang.



VampiresLair -> RE: Will USA fall like Rome? (8/7/2009 5:06:23 PM)

I don't think the US will fall like Rome did.  I don't think we live in an age where such a fall is as likely.  That age might come, but we certainly don't live in it now.  Any time things get tough, it's amusing to see how many people start shouting "The End Is Nigh!"

It's my opinion that the US will be a major player in world events for the rest of the conceivable future.  I think we won't be the world's only superpower forever.  However, we'll be in closer competition with China, Japan, Russia, and Europe.  The US won't fall so much as the rest of the world will rise to its level.  And, if our history thus far is any indication, we will be flourish due to the competition and remain the major player in the global stage.

DV's Fox



FullCircle -> RE: Will USA fall like Rome? (8/7/2009 5:22:19 PM)

The US has to kill Jesus first then it will happen.[8|]



JonnieBoy -> RE: Will USA fall like Rome? (8/8/2009 2:30:09 AM)

Piss easy this one ...

"Will USA fall like Rome?" .... Yes.

(If the "pollution" it chucks out doesn,t kill you all first ... SO ... make Mcdonalds illegal and at least yous all have the chance of a few years to try some real food while the inevitable creeps up)

Pirate




NorthernGent -> RE: Will USA fall like Rome? (8/8/2009 3:19:06 AM)

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ORIGINAL: FangsNfeet

Let's look back at Roman Politics.



If you want to know how an empire falls in the modern age then look at Britain for the lessons to be learned.

1) Britain was massively overstretched and couldn't possibly defend its possessions (one third of the world) and Britain itself.

2) WW1. A protracted war cost Britain dear in terms of resources. Technologically we were being outstripped by the Germans on the eve of the war but Britain's financial wealth was dominant throughout the world. The British idea in the war was that they would let the French take the brunt of the German attack and have them wear one another down and then come in to deliver the knock out blow. It soon became apparent that it wasn't an option as the French lost something like 400 thousand men in the first two months of the war and it was widely believed they would crack without immediate British intervention - British divisions helped the French hold the Germans at the Marne and Ypres. Anyway 4 years of fighting sapped British resources and while the German economic situation during the 1920s is well documented what is not so well known is that the British economy wasn't in much better shape.

3) Diplomacy. The British government's tactic was to play its competitors off against one another and thus maintain a balance in contintental Europe which left us free to control the seas and trade. It worked pretty well until we were faced with a lose lose situation in WW1.

So it really depends on a few factors:

1) Can the US keep a handle on its influence around the world by not overstretching itself to the point where it's spread too thin?

2) Can the US avoid protracted wars that sap resources while keeping a handle on its possessions?

3) Can the US keep a check on its competitors through diplomacy?

4) Will a competitor take a major risk which will force the US into a making a decision it would rather avoid (a la the German decision to mobilise for war and the British response)?

5) And finally the personalities involved in foreign decision making - are they risk seekers/risk averse/cool heads - will they get the decisions more or less right?

US influence around the world is definitely under threat but a sharp decline is not inevitable.

Perhaps the unexpected challenger will be the European Union. Germans were arguing before WW1 that only a united Europe under German leadership could challenge the financial wealth of the British Empire and the Americans. Britain is out of the equation but today's EU is not that different in practice to German war aims on the eve of WW1 - so perhaps the motive is not too dissimilar.



JonnieBoy -> RE: Will USA fall like Rome? (8/8/2009 3:31:14 AM)

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ORIGINAL: NorthernGent
US influence around the world is definitely under threat but a sharp decline is not inevitable.


I suppose this means that the vile stench of McDonalds will be lingering for a while to come ?

Pirate



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