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LillyoftheVally -> The concept of mentoring (8/3/2009 5:57:02 AM)

The under protection thread got me thinking, I know I always bang on about my frustration with the convoluted labeling that many of us get involved with and I am thinking mentoring falls into that category, I didn't want to derail that thread so...

I am not an expert on all things falling under the D/s M/s BDSM umbrella, I know what I know and slant it to suit me, if someone comes to me and asks for advice I have no problem giving them my perspective but is that really mentoring? Isn't that just voicing an opinion? What about doing that on an extended basis, sharing ideas and information isn't that friendship?

I remember having a big discussion with a woman who said that all people newly joining wiitwd need to be mentored, I don't agree, I have met many people around all this, some of whom I deeply respect but I have yet to find even one that I would want to mentor me because they do things their way. Someone may have a lot of experience in a certain aspect and I may ask them about it but again that is down to friendship/acquaintance.

I have spoke to many people who say that they 'teach' people on both sides of the kneel, teach them what? Sure you can teach skills but how can you ever teach someone how to be what feels right for them? How can you tell them what works?

The problem as I see it is that many use the phrases as a way to make all this more complicated, as though you need to sit a test to be fully qualified when really all we are doing is flailing around working out what we need to make ourselves happy.

I may be way off base here though (it has been known) Just wondering what other people think.




tazzygirl -> RE: The concept of mentoring (8/3/2009 6:10:57 AM)

for myself, i know when i think of teaching its more along the lines of protocol, the "ins and outs" of things, how to stay safe, shoot, even what toys stores i may go to.. lol.

mentoring, to me, goes much deeper. its someone i would look to for advice on personal issues, someone who i respected deeply, someone whose advice i would implement before asking others. do i think new people need such a person? some yes, some no. if every step you take is full of fear and anxiety, then perhaps yes, you do need someone to mentor you. or maybe you need to rethink this whole thing.




GreedyTop -> RE: The concept of mentoring (8/3/2009 6:12:08 AM)

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ORIGINAL: LillyoftheVally

The under protection thread got me thinking, I know I always bang on about my frustration with the convoluted labeling that many of us get involved with and I am thinking mentoring falls into that category, I didn't want to derail that thread so...

I am not an expert on all things falling under the D/s M/s BDSM umbrella, I know what I know and slant it to suit me, if someone comes to me and asks for advice I have no problem giving them my perspective but is that really mentoring? Isn't that just voicing an opinion? What about doing that on an extended basis, sharing ideas and information isn't that friendship?

I agree

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I remember having a big discussion with a woman who said that all people newly joining wiitwd need to be mentored, I don't agree, I have met many people around all this, some of whom I deeply respect but I have yet to find even one that I would want to mentor me because they do things their way. Someone may have a lot of experience in a certain aspect and I may ask them about it but again that is down to friendship/acquaintance.

I agree again.

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I have spoke to many people who say that they 'teach' people on both sides of the kneel, teach them what? Sure you can teach skills but how can you ever teach someone how to be what feels right for them? How can you tell them what works?

Good questions...

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The problem as I see it is that many use the phrases as a way to make all this more complicated, as though you need to sit a test to be fully qualified when really all we are doing is flailing around working out what we need to make ourselves happy.


Have I mentioned that I adore you?  You're so wise in so many ways.... *smoooch*






DesFIP -> RE: The concept of mentoring (8/3/2009 6:38:27 AM)

I agree with most of what you're saying. I do think a mentor could be helpful for someone who's just discovered this and wants to jump in without thinking, subfrenzy and I assume tops also get frenzied. Someone to remind them of basic safety stuff, to say 'no you can't try needle play yourself using pins in your sewing kit'; that kind of thing.

But barring expert advice, most of what we look for in this world when exploring something new is simply someone who seems calmer and more experienced to be our sounding board. It just sounds cooler to say you are mentoring someone than saying you're giving your opinion.




Drakontos -> RE: The concept of mentoring (8/3/2009 7:14:05 AM)


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ORIGINAL: LillyoftheVally

The under protection thread got me thinking, I know I always bang on about my frustration with the convoluted labeling that many of us get involved with and I am thinking mentoring falls into that category, I didn't want to derail that thread so...

I am not an expert on all things falling under the D/s M/s BDSM umbrella, I know what I know and slant it to suit me, if someone comes to me and asks for advice I have no problem giving them my perspective but is that really mentoring? Isn't that just voicing an opinion? What about doing that on an extended basis, sharing ideas and information isn't that friendship?

I remember having a big discussion with a woman who said that all people newly joining wiitwd need to be mentored, I don't agree, I have met many people around all this, some of whom I deeply respect but I have yet to find even one that I would want to mentor me because they do things their way. Someone may have a lot of experience in a certain aspect and I may ask them about it but again that is down to friendship/acquaintance.

I have spoke to many people who say that they 'teach' people on both sides of the kneel, teach them what? Sure you can teach skills but how can you ever teach someone how to be what feels right for them? How can you tell them what works?

The problem as I see it is that many use the phrases as a way to make all this more complicated, as though you need to sit a test to be fully qualified when really all we are doing is flailing around working out what we need to make ourselves happy.

I may be way off base here though (it has been known) Just wondering what other people think.

This is Drakontos

I see mentoring as a combination of different things. On one level, yes, you are doing nothing more than giving advice to someone who has asked. However, it can encompass much more, depending on what exactly is needed. I believe, that the concept of mentoring, like much else that goes on in the world of BDSM/M/s/D/s; has gotten a bad reputation because a few people have taken it to a level that it was not meant to be.

I have mentored both men and women in the 20 odd years that I have been involved in the ownership of property. Each relationship ( and yes, they are relationships to some degree ) has been different, depending on what exactly the other person needed from me. In that same vein, zaphira has mentored submissives and slaves in the last year.

I have always found, that when mentoring someone, it is extremely important to never tell them how I would do something or how I would handle a certain situation. Instead, I find out what that person did, how they reacted, how they handled it. Then we sit down and discuss the possible reasons why something worked or did not work and discuss possible solutions that may have changed the outcome.

Mentoring is not about teaching someone how to do things YOUR way; its about teaching, advising, helping another to see the best possible way of doing things THEIR way so that all parties are content with the outcome.

Being a mentor does not make someone an expert on something; it simply means that you ( being a general you ) have an outside view of what is happening and can discuss things objectively because of that.





LillyoftheVally -> RE: The concept of mentoring (8/3/2009 7:37:18 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Drakontos


I have always found, that when mentoring someone, it is extremely important to never tell them how I would do something or how I would handle a certain situation. Instead, I find out what that person did, how they reacted, how they handled it. Then we sit down and discuss the possible reasons why something worked or did not work and discuss possible solutions that may have changed the outcome.

Mentoring is not about teaching someone how to do things YOUR way; its about teaching, advising, helping another to see the best possible way of doing things THEIR way so that all parties are content with the outcome.

Being a mentor does not make someone an expert on something; it simply means that you ( being a general you ) have an outside view of what is happening and can discuss things objectively because of that.




Ok and how is that any different from being a friend? What do you do that differentiates and what qualifies it? How come when you talk to someone about the best way of doing something it is mentoring when I do it then it is giving my opinion?

I am not trying to be rude but what you have written here is basically what I said but you called it mentoring there is no difference.

When my sisters have boyfriend problems I sit there as the impartial person, I have an outside view, I can see the pro's and cons of situations and offer my perspective, that is being a good sister.




Zeknpet -> RE: The concept of mentoring (8/3/2009 7:39:50 AM)

All too often I've seen "Mentoring" used as isolationism with a sort of "let me protect you from the big bad Doms in our clique/social group.

Get rid of the bad apples, then give me a call.

It's also abdication of self responsibility.

I very seldom see mentorin in the classical sense of master/journeyman.. One clear sign.. Mentors should be of the same skillset, not a different stance. Having a Dom "mentoring" a sub? Umm shouldn't experienced subs mentor other subs? I mentor other Dominants. I'm not a sub, I shouldn't be "mentoring" a submissive any more than my submissive should mentor your Dominant.

If I want to be mentored as a carpenter, I don't look for an ironworker to do it.




Drakontos -> RE: The concept of mentoring (8/3/2009 7:47:17 AM)

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Ok and how is that any different from being a friend? What do you do that differentiates and what qualifies it? How come when you talk to someone about the best way of doing something it is mentoring when I do it then it is giving my opinion?

I am not trying to be rude but what you have written here is basically what I said but you called it mentoring there is no difference.

When my sisters have boyfriend problems I sit there as the impartial person, I have an outside view, I can see the pro's and cons of situations and offer my perspective, that is being a good sister.

Miss Lilly

I can not with all honesty say that there is a difference; except in how each individual decides to define their own actions. We are all aware that many things that are done in life are subjective to the person who is doing them, and to the person(s) on the receiving end. A good example would be if a family member or a friend came and asked me how I could help them with something personal
(relationship wise or career wise, etc ). They may see it as nothing more than seeking advice, but I would see it as mentoring them in something that they needed help with.

I have heard many times from the people on these and other boards that words have different meanings to different people.

I guess, if needed, a person could use a single word interchangeably for the use on message boards versus the use of one face to face.

In person, call it advice, on boards or in writing, call it mentoring. In the end though, there truly is no difference except to those involved.




Mercnbeth -> RE: The concept of mentoring (8/3/2009 7:49:59 AM)

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...I have spoke to many people who say that they 'teach' people on both sides of the kneel, teach them what? Sure you can teach skills but how can you ever teach someone how to be what feels right for them? How can you tell them what works?...


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for the Dom:

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and for the submissive:
 
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CallaFirestormBW -> RE: The concept of mentoring (8/3/2009 7:54:03 AM)

I use 'teaching' specifically to address instruction in some of the more obscure protocol styles, techniques (piercing, formal table service, etc.) that we have participated in. Mentoring, on the other hand, is something else. To me, mentoring has always been something that happened between a person with experience in the area in which one wishes to progress and an individual seeking to make progress. It isn't a social arrangement, nor is it romantic. Ideally, it isn't even D/s -- because in my mind, the individuals who are best for mentoring servants are other skilled and experienced servants (preferably ones who have worked towards and obtained similar goals to the ones the mentee is seeking guidance on). The individuals who are best suited to mentor an up-and-coming dominant types are other -dominant individuals-, again, who have achieved a measure of success in similar areas to the goals that the dominant individual has set for hirself. While it is possible to learn from someone who -isn't- in that position (i.e., a dominant individual learning certain aspects from a submissive individual), I don't consider those 'mentorship' arrangements. To me, a mentorship arrangement is also a -formal- arrangement. It isn't a casual "hey, come on over and take a look at this technique" kind of thing.

A mentorship arrangement has defined goals, and a plan in place for getting the mentee through to those goals. it also has an -end- point... a point at which, once the goals have been met, the relationship ends (or often, for me, moves into a more casual 'friendship' kind of arrangement). Mentorship assists in setting, and reaching one's goals, in motivation, in self-awareness... basically, in the intrinsic things that make a person -successful-. To me, mentorship among dominant types should deal with -leadership- issues and management goals for their D/s relationships. If you don't have goals that you're not meeting, or need those things, you don't need a mentor. If you -do-, your best mentors won't be submissives... they'll be other dominants who have successfully dealt with leadership and management issues in their own situations. If you are submissive, then mentorship should deal with things like adaptability, motivation, goalsetting, time mangement and other aspects of providing quality service and taking subtle cues about what might be needed, in order to improve ones success in submission. If those things aren't things that a particular submissive needs in hir own situation, then xhe doesn't need a mentor. For either side of the kneel, though, if one isn't meeting one's goals, then a mentor can be an asset to the process.

Like any other teaching relationship, I think that there are certain things that are not appropriate to mentoring relationships, and I think that too many people try to get away with manipulating someone who wouldn't normally consider them as 'relationship material' by saying "Oh, well, I'll just -mentor- you until someone else comes along" or "before you can find a place in this community, you have to be 'mentored'" as a means of getting submission and/or sex when the individual would normally not have considered that person as a partner. We know it happens, and it's given mentorship in the BDSM community a 'black eye'... but knowing what mentorship is and isn't, from the larger perspective of what a mentor is in mainstream culture, can help someone to decide whether what is being offered is actually -mentorship- or a 'bait-switch' technique to get into someone's panties.

This is another 'sticking point' for me. I don't think that relationship partners can be effective "mentors". They may train effectively, and can -certainly- tell one another -exactly- what they're looking for in -this- relationship... but if you have someone who is, say, a "career servant"... who is hoping to perhaps spend a lifetime serving in different household situations, then the things xhe learns in -one- relationship may not serve hir well in any other situation that xhe is in... whereas, ideally, techniques and tools learned during mentorship should be applicable to nearly every situation one finds oneself in for the remainder of one's life.

I've had mentors in spiritual, BDSM, and work environments throughout my 'careers' there. In every case, the tools that I learned through mentorship applied not ONLY to the immediate area that I was being mentored in, but to life in general, and across every aspect of my life. That is what I strive to provide for the individuals that I mentor, both at work and through the communities that I'm involved in.

Dame Calla




LillyoftheVally -> RE: The concept of mentoring (8/3/2009 8:11:05 AM)

Thank you Beth, I have heard of demos and work shops and do understand the purpose of teaching specific skills. I think generally though I was talking more about the personal one to one arrangements I see people talk about.

Calla thank you, I can understand what you are saying and I am sure that it is very useful for some people and agree that having it based on specific things, and of course there is a black mark across the concept. I can understand that if you wanted a mentor you would want someone who excels in whatever it is that you want to be mentored in but then how do you judge that? So often here I see success measured in longevity 'I have 15 years experience' great, that doesn't mean that you are any good at anything just that you have been doing it a long time. We see every day that peoples idea of what D/s means or s/m means or BDSM means or whatever varies between individuals so how can you teach something so contested, therefore how many things can you really be mentored in that will apply to most relationships in the future when it is such a personal thing. I do not think that you need a formal set up to learn, there are things in life that I struggle with as I am sure everyone does but that is kind of what life is about isn't it?

The thing I struggle with is the fact that this is for most about a relationship preference, all people regardless of orientation may go to workshops to help them with many areas in life not exclusive to wiitwd. Indeed some may have a life coach but the latter really isn't common where here it seems you can't go a day without someone claiming to be a mentor.




SteelofUtah -> RE: The concept of mentoring (8/3/2009 8:18:46 AM)

It is so Easy to Blur the line when it comes to Mentoring and Making a Mini-Me.

I received what I like to call a formal introduction to the world of BDSM from a Man whom I called my Pedant, (It was an Inside joke even to me for the first year or so.) He Introduced me to many things and even helped me to understand the mechanics of many things.

He Showed me Floggers and Single Tails and taught me the Mechanics of their Uses. He would show me on his girl the points of the body that are easily damaged and then go over how the misuse of a flogger or whip or strap could easily make contact with these points. He would take time in showing me angles of contact and why one position that may give you a better view of the situation also opens you up to making contact with points on the boys that could cause serious pain or physical damage.

My Pedant would also regularly hand me over to people he knew to show me things that he was not proficient in. I learned how to swing a Bull Whip with Robert Dante in SoHo (South Hollywood not NYC) and in the Backyard of Master Len on a weekend workshop. I went to Shibari Workshops with Master Tie and Valencia. I learned how to do knife play and fire play and Interrogation Play while under the instruction of people who were really good at it and I was asked to take from all these things what I liked and leave the rest.

My Pedant asked me to find MY place in this lifestyle not to Mimic HIS Place. To this day I do not say I was Mentored I say I was introduced. I also try very hard not to accept invitations to Mentor, not that I do not think one can mentor but that I would rather introduce people to a new way thinking when they look at BDSM rather than create a situation where someone is trying to be more like me.

I will tell you I was formally infroduced to the world of BDSM I was not Mentored however many would say that I have been and I would say that that is a matter of semantics, The point is that I was open to learning something new and wasn't to arrogant to think that I knew everything from the word go.

I believe that many people even people who have been in the scene 20+ years could stand to be a little less cocky and a little more willing to learn about something that they do not really know about. My Pedant used to say that many people in this lifestyle are aware of THOUSANDS of kinks however the average Dominant is really only proficient in a handfull if that, they are aware of many kinks and even understand the theroy behind them but they are not aware of the actual practice and ritual of it. Even if they did try it once they still never got into the place where it set a fire in them, sure not everything is going to do that but just trying something once does not a Master make. No, to understand something you have to be able to see the passion inside it and the reason that they passion is created.

It is because of my Pedant that I truely believe that I can understand every kink, I may not approve or engage but I can at very least understand the passion and desire involved in just about any kink. From the Mentally driven ones to the physical ones to the ones that stand in both states. And it is all because someone showed me how much fun it was to be OPEN to things that I didn't want to do mostly because I didn't understand them.

To answer the Title of the Op the Concept of Mentoring in my opinion is to learn, and be willing to take direction from someone who knows more that you do.

Again there is this fine line between helping someone grow and cloning yourself.

Steel




Mercnbeth -> RE: The concept of mentoring (8/3/2009 8:19:05 AM)

The issue I have with self professed 'mentors' and mentoring is that it has become a label with a transitory definition contingent upon the agenda of the 'mentor'. It's the swiss army knife of terms, used for a variety of purposes from obtaining sex to obtaining money. It seems that somehow by applying the label mentor you can justify any activity if you can convince a naive individual to buy into your mentoring program. As if putting a label on yourself brings legitimacy.

As stated in the OP - its really NOT that complicated. Any 'lifestyle' under the macro umbrella WIITWD is simply a relationship. Formal, informal, permanent, weekend warrior, 24/7 or a paid hour per month, on-line or in house; relationships requiring equal compatible desires, equal comparable effort. Not one relationship dynamic is unique in that regard. What does a mentor provide that can help resolve those fundamental requirements? Is a 'mentoring' spanking a good benchmark that you'll like spanking? It would seem that without emotions, any sensation, giving or taking, is irrelevant. Add emotion and the mentor/student dynamic is outside the definition. At least the definition everywhere except in this case.

What happened to just being friendly, open, and willing to share?




KnightofMists -> RE: The concept of mentoring (8/3/2009 8:42:52 AM)

I prefer the term friend than mentor.......




LadyPact -> RE: The concept of mentoring (8/3/2009 9:04:54 AM)

All of the above is why I don't care much for the word mentor anymore.  Do I teach people certain topping skills?  Sure.  All of the time.  That's because other people taught Me and I'm passing along what I've learned.  MP has often called Me his mentor over the last couple of years because I've had more opportunities than he has and I often teach him what I know.  I've also had people who considered themselves in My training collar as a top because they wanted to sub to Me while learning My style in their D/s dynamic with their own submissive.  That isn't attempting to get someone to feel a certain way, but it is about passing on knowledge and having a 'go to' person to bounce things off of.

There's nothing wrong with finding someone in the community that you want to learn things from.  Mentoring is one of those terms that have caught a bad rap because people have twisted it for their own selfish purposes.  Believe it or not, those of us who teach skills aren't all like that.




CallaFirestormBW -> RE: The concept of mentoring (8/3/2009 9:17:36 AM)

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What does a mentor provide that can help resolve those fundamental requirements? Is a 'mentoring' spanking a good benchmark that you'll like spanking? It would seem that without emotions, any sensation, giving or taking, is irrelevant. Add emotion and the mentor/student dynamic is outside the definition. At least the definition everywhere except in this case.

What happened to just being friendly, open, and willing to share?


Friendly, open, and willing to share is great -- but what do you do with someone who is friendly, open, willing to share, but -crappy- at explaining how xhe got from A to B to C? This is where mentorship comes in, because good mentors are not only successful at what they do, but are also good communicators in explaining the underlying dynamics and "subtext" of the interactions in question.

I think that it is primarily in BDSM environments that the value of mentorship is so heavily discounted. In business, it is accepted that one's progress will be enhanced by working with at least one, if not multiple mentors. In parenting, if one doesn't have the advantage of one's own parents to mentor in parenting skills, it has been shown to be very beneficial to find resources elsewhere to be able to learn the global skills that enable a person to parent well. Even in artistic pursuits (which are -highly individualized), it is understood that finding and working with a mentor improves an artist's chance of success and improves hir chances of making good connections in the art community.

The difference between mentoring and friendship is that mentoring doesn't -have- to have a social component to be valuable. I can dislike my mentor vehemently, but if xhe has been proven to be successful at what xhe's doing, I will suck up the fact that I don't like hir for the opportunity to learn what xhe knows. Case in point -- I am currently working with an author whom I don't really like much, as a person. However, this author is -very- successful in the genre in which I write, has over three dozen published novels and hundreds of short stories both in and out of genre, and a sustained readership for every one of her storylines/worlds. I -know- that there are flaws in my writing that make it less readable than it could be, and I know where I need to tighten things up -- but I don't know -how- people do that... what techniques or tools they use to refine their work to the point where they can draw a reader into their stories and have them surface hollering for more. I may not like this person -as- a person, but I value this author's skills. Though she can't teach me to -write-, it has already been established that I have the necessary skills, creativity, and raw talent (I have two published novels, and have sold 2 more that haven't been published yet, and have a half-dozen published short stories)-- what I -need- is refinement, and -that- is something she can provide... I've seen her work, read her writing, seen her numbers, and listened to her fans for over a decade, and -that- provided me with the proof I needed to determine that she had what I needed to progress in my own writing... and so, despite the fact that, as a person I find her... challenging to deal with and not someone I would choose to have as a friend, I asked her to mentor me.

Mentoring really isn't about obtaining or nurturing the personal side of a relationship. It isn't about the things that make a relationship unique. It is about the -common- things that make the difference between a -successful- dynamic or a -profoundly successful dynamic- and a mediocre or struggling dynamic. It is also about self-awareness, and realizing where ones goals and ones comprehension aren't moving in the same direction.

Mentorship isn't suitable for every situation or for every person. There are -many- things that mentorship -can't- do, and it isn't a 'catch-all' for "I don't know what else to do with myself in the community." Not everyone is going to -need- or -want- a mentor... and most people who -do- need/want one only need a mentor for a brief period, to get through some -specific- area that they can't seem to get a handle on or progress past... but for those who want one, and who have a goal that is suited to mentorship, and who have access to an individual who has shown, through hir own successes, that xhe might be able to provide insight into meeting that goal, mentorship is, and has been, a valid tool for making progress just about everywhere in human history where "success" was one of the goals of the individuals involved.

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I can understand that if you wanted a mentor you would want someone who excels in whatever it is that you want to be mentored in but then how do you judge that? So often here I see success measured in longevity 'I have 15 years experience' great, that doesn't mean that you are any good at anything just that you have been doing it a long time. We see every day that peoples idea of what D/s means or s/m means or BDSM means or whatever varies between individuals so how can you teach something so contested, therefore how many things can you really be mentored in that will apply to most relationships in the future when it is such a personal thing. I do not think that you need a formal set up to learn, there are things in life that I struggle with as I am sure everyone does but that is kind of what life is about isn't it?

How do you pick a good mentor? You watch the people in and out of your community. You look for those whose experience and skills in the specific areas that you're wanting to make progress represent an improvement over where you are right now. One person may not be the ideal mentor in -every- area that a person wants to make progress in, so it may be that, in the course of one's participation in the community, one may have several mentors in different areas. Sometimes, there just -isn't- anyone in the immediate community who is suited to the skill-set that one is looking to work on... and that may mean looking elsewhere, or looking completely outside of the BDSM community (if it is a skill that is universal rather than BDSM specific) to find someone who -can- mentor in that area.

In the same way, if you look at things a specific way, and those things are relevant to how you want to progress, then you need to choose a mentor who shares your philosophies. However, philosophy might be irrelevant for some things that one desires mentorship on. Perhaps one desires mentorship on, say, setting 30-day short-term goals. The style of D/s practiced by the individual one chose for mentorship wouldn't be important here (in fact, you might choose a mentor who wasn't even IN D/s... maybe somone skilled in FC Goalsetting or something). Whether they understood your -relationship- goals would be less relevant than whether they could successfully express the ideas necessary to break down longer-term goals into their short-term counterparts -OR- assist someone who had never -set- goals before in actually figuring out what their goals -were-, so they could build short-term goals.

Learning -is- what life is about. The point of mentorship, though, is that learning doesn't necessarily -have- to be a struggle to figure things out on your own -- it is more of a task of figuring out how to -find- the resources to help you move forward. Of course, we are -always- entitled to rail against the storm on our own, but if we have the resources available, why not use them and make the road a little smoother and, perhaps, even go a little further towards assuring our eventual success.

Dame Calla




MasterSlaveLA -> RE: The concept of mentoring (8/3/2009 9:24:03 AM)

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more information here:  BDSM Mentors



From the above link:

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I don't see that as a "mentor"... I see that as a BUSINESS!!!
 
The above aside, my personal opinion of the whole "Mentor" thing is that it's probably one of the biggest SCAMS out there. In short, they are not approaching you with the intent to be YOUR dominant, but only to "Mentor" and "Train" you -- but in doing so, will spank you, use you, have you provide service to them, and of course... have sex with them. Well why not? Being the "newbie" that you are, certainly only a MENTOR can teach you how to properly kneel, clean their house, and give world class head, right? WRONG!!!

A "Mentor" is supposed to ADVISE, nothing more -- including not CHARGING YOU for said alleged "Mentoring". An extreme few are truly sincere in their desire to help a new sub/slave not only find their way, but find a good Top, but those are far and few between. Besides, unless this "Mentor" has spent the same time you have talking with a perspective dominant, exactly how are they supposed to know if this person is good, bad, or otherwise for you? Let's see... they often live in another state, you don't know each other at all, they've sent you some helpful (maybe even cool) links, and maybe you've even chatted a few times. So exactly how is this person supposed to know what's best for you? In short, they neither do, nor can they. So this nonsense about letting a "Mentor" decide who your dominant will be is just that... nonsense.

Same is true of another that's local or even a friend. They haven't spent the time you have with a perspective dominant, nor is their way the best or right way, as each dominant is different, just as each sub/slave is different -- thus the ruse of "training" by said alleged Mentor. I mean sure, any Toppy type can go through the basic motions of stand, sit, kneel and so forth, but most things beyond that are likely individualized to whomever you end up serving, so the "training" bit just doesn't hold water -- as your future dominant will be "training" you to suit THEM and THEIR wants and needs. That's just common sense!!!

And be quite certain that 99.9% of the alleged "Mentor" stuff is simply nothing more than another avenue for someone to get into your pants. So let's call it what it really is, shall we? At best, a friend... at worst, a "Fuck Buddy", as said alleged "Mentor" is often engaging in the same activities that a dominant would. In short, 99.9% of the "Mentor" stuff is complete and total bullshit!!!


 




ElectraGlide -> RE: The concept of mentoring (8/3/2009 9:50:48 AM)

There are several types of Mentoring. We all use the Collarme Forums for advice dont we, lol.

A Scene Mentor can help a newbie on house rules and what predator not to be with.

A Play Mentor can help with techniques and safe play.

A Relationship Mentor can help when you need advice, it don't matter how long you been around, good advice is always important.

Some mentors might only want to give advice in one area only, the area they now best.

Someone being under protection may or may not be getting mentored. They might be getting a second opinion on weeding through the scamsters.




LadyPact -> RE: The concept of mentoring (8/3/2009 9:56:49 AM)

LOL.  Ok, I'm busted.  I like getting into MP's pants.

One thing that I didn't add earlier when I wrote My reply is that MP had the opportunity to learn more than topping skills.  He had the chance to see in the closest way how I've run the dynamic between clip and I.  There's a huge advantage in that for someone who's not yet had the opportunity to have a submissive of their own to observe the ins and outs of how another person conducts their affairs.  He's got to see not just the hows, but also hear about the whys.  Truth be told, there are times that has brought us closer together as a couple, because many times the questions that he had, helped him to understand Me better.

I do realize this particular comment may only apply to some D/D couples or for someone who may be in service in the home, but it's been an advantage for us.




LillyoftheVally -> RE: The concept of mentoring (8/3/2009 9:57:23 AM)


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ORIGINAL: ElectraGlide

A Scene Mentor can help a newbie on house rules and what predator not to be with.



Yup and I don't know about you but having been to 'scene' events everyone bitches about everyone else. I was told to avoid a few 'predators' like the plague, a year or so later I got to meet two of them, one was a twat, not a predator more the kind of guy who lives with his mum despite being in his late fourties, the other was a really interesting man who happened to piss one girl off. And last time I checked house rules are printed on club websites, and when you get there.

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A Play Mentor can help with techniques and safe play.


Yup I completely agree with this one

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A Relationship Mentor can help when you need advice, it don't matter how long you been around, good advice is always important.


As can a friend

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They might be getting a second opinion on weeding through the scamsters.


So people being mentored do not have any common sense then? Do you not think that a lot of what you said is babying people?




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