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RE: Lesbian racial play bdsm - 9/25/2009 1:35:25 PM

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Hey, I'm on your side.

LOL.

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RE: Lesbian racial play bdsm - 9/25/2009 1:42:41 PM

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Sorry my friend but I'm living in UK

well, now the OP is in Louisianna. She should have better luck fining a Domme into this play there.

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RE: Lesbian racial play bdsm - 9/25/2009 1:48:52 PM

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There was another black lesbian from the UK, who asked this very question and now is POOF just last week or two, maybe you all can chum up and get a flat near the Gatwick Airport in New Orleans.

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RE: Lesbian racial play bdsm - 9/25/2009 2:03:06 PM

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Hi all,

My name is Anita and I'm a black lesbian sub interested in racial play.
I like to be dom and used a salve by a white dominant lesbian experienced in racial play.
Are there many white mistresses enjoying this fetish? Does anyone know any website on this subject?
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This type of play has the potential for some serious repercussions. Why would one desire such play? I would be very careful when chosing someone for this. I can't help but think that one who desires this type of play truly has issues serious issues with the person's race

I don't think that is necessarily true, though it is a genuine worry.
I know of one Mistress who is a 'German Officer' and her sub is a 'Jewish girl'. It caused shock horror when they first came out but once you understand that its the Domme 'German Officer' that is in fact a Jewish woman in real life then you can perhaps understand that this is only role-play and nothing more.
I know of a black Dom on the scene that openly berates his white bitch of a slave. Nobody seems to mind that.
It upsets people because we all know in the real world its wrong but we are talking about role-play within a BDSM relationship and if it works for them then its perfectly acceptable.

Your reaction suggests that racial play is okay when or because Jews also perform it. It is like saying the state of Israel can do no wrong because of the horrors the Jews went through in the past. And what exactly do you mean mentioning you know a black dom openly berating his white bitch? You mean a white dom can have a black bitch because black doms have white bitches?

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RE: Lesbian racial play bdsm - 9/25/2009 2:48:09 PM

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Sorry my friend but I'm living in UK

well, now the OP is in Louisianna. She should have better luck fining a Domme into this play there.

Aside from that I think its a valid topic

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RE: Lesbian racial play bdsm - 9/26/2009 5:29:04 AM

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I understand what she is saying and think it is great!

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"I like to be dom and used a salve " This is kind of unclear. What are you saying exactly?

That's cool, maybe you could explain it to us, cause I am with Kal. Not really sure what that was supposed to mean.

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RE: Lesbian racial play bdsm - 9/26/2009 6:49:59 AM

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I understand what she is saying and think it is great!

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"I like to be dom and used a salve " This is kind of unclear. What are you saying exactly?

That's cool, maybe you could explain it to us, cause I am with Kal. Not really sure what that was supposed to mean.

She meant "I want to be Dommed and used as a slave".

The huge, unanswered question is whether she would want public race play or simply private.

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RE: Lesbian racial play bdsm - 9/26/2009 7:16:01 AM

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I have had a few women & men contact me and say that they are interested in this type of play and it was always private that they are interested in.

It might get a few people upset if it was public play, quite a few people have strong feelings about the "N" word & it is used heavily in this type of play.

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RE: Lesbian racial play bdsm - 9/26/2009 9:26:54 AM

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She meant "I want to be Dommed and used as a slave".

The huge, unanswered question is whether she would want public race play or simply private.

I see, thanks for clearing that up.

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RE: Lesbian racial play bdsm - 9/26/2009 10:26:25 AM

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While I'm white and submissive, I can certainly imagine how much mental impact doing the "white mistress with black slave" role-playing could be from the sub's end. In the U.S. this trope is intensely charged, because of our ongoing efforts in civil rights. I imagine there could be a lot of mind-games and mental pressure in accepting a role you have been acculturated since birth to reject.

Not my cup o' tea, but I don't think that the idea itself is outlandish.

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RE: Lesbian racial play bdsm - 9/26/2009 11:29:36 AM

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Hi all,

My name is Anita and I'm a black lesbian sub interested in racial play.
I like to be dom and used a salve by a white dominant lesbian experienced in racial play.
Are there many white mistresses enjoying this fetish? Does anyone know any website on this subject?
Kisses all

This type of play has the potential for some serious repercussions. Why would one desire such play? I would be very careful when chosing someone for this. I can't help but think that one who desires this type of play truly has issues serious issues with the person's race

Acer, a lot of people find race play controversial. But to suggest that 'one who desires this type of play truly has issues serious issues with the person's race,' is like saying that men who enjoying tying up women and having SM scenes with them, truly have serious issues with women, or that a person who likes to act out a rape fantasy truly has issues about taking someone nonconsensually.

Race play is usually a form of humiliation play, though it can serve other purposes, too. It can be used for fear play or for consensually-nonconsensual play, too, the suggestion being that 'because of your race, you're less than human to me, so there's nothing to stop me from doing bad things to you' or 'because I'm angry at people of your race, I'm going to make you suffer,' and so on.

If you don't 'get' humiliation play, you may not understand how race play could be between two people who genuinely respect or care for each other. Just the fact of sharing something that is so "wrong," so taboo, with someone in an intimate way, can be very intense and hot and intimate.

You might say it's like psychological sadomasochism. And like physical SM, it's a question of whether it's consensual, and although it makes the person suffer, that it doesn't harm them.

You asked, "Why would one desire such play?"

Why do you desire whatever kinky goings-on you do? Because you decided on a set of turn-ons you found acceptable, one day? Of course not. You just had the urge, the impulse, the trigger reactions show up in you. You can choose not to act on them. But why would you, when you and another person both want it? Then it's only a question of whether what you're doing bolsters both of you or tears you down, whether you trust and respect each other and yourselves, or aren't there, yet.

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RE: Lesbian racial play bdsm - 9/26/2009 5:42:47 PM

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Ok because this a thread about race play, I feel the need to share some of my enjoyment of racial humor.

Hurricanes: Well, it appears our African-American friends have found yet something else to be pissed about.A black congresswoman (this would be Sheila Jackson Lee, of Houston), reportedly complained that the names of hurricanes are all Caucasian sounding names. She would prefer some names that reflect African-American culture such as Chamiqua, Tanisha, Woeisha, Shaqueal, and Jamal.. .

I am NOT making this up!

She would also like the weather reports to be broadcast in "language" that street people can understand because one of the problems that happened in  New Orleans was that black people couldn't understand the seriousness of the situation, due to the racially biased language of the weather report.

I guess if the weather person says that the winds are going to blow at 140+ MPH, that's too hard to understand!

I can hear it now:

A weatherman in  New Orleans says...

Wazzup, mutha-fukkas!  Hehr-i-cane Chamiqua be headin' fo' yo ass like Leroy on a crotch rocket!  Bitch be a category fo'! So, turn off dem chitlins, grab yo' chillens, leave yo crib, and head fo' de nearest FEMA office fo yo FREE shit!

Also, you may enjoy this particular MADtv skit: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZkdcYlOn5M

Now, I'm going to go tell redneck and Jew jokes with the Ma'am.

Later,

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RE: Lesbian racial play bdsm - 9/26/2009 5:50:10 PM

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One of my favorite SNL skits Garrett Morris:

'I'm gonna get me a gun and kill all the whiteys I see' song.

God, they play it on re-runs, occasionally. I wish it was on YouTube.

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RE: Lesbian racial play bdsm - 9/26/2009 6:41:48 PM

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Your reaction suggests that racial play is okay when or because Jews also perform it. It is like saying the state of Israel can do no wrong because of the horrors the Jews went through in the past. And what exactly do you mean mentioning you know a black dom openly berating his white bitch? You mean a white dom can have a black bitch because black doms have white bitches?

no, i think he was illustrating a race play dynamic where the supposed German party was actually Jewish but was playing a different role in that scenario. one that would probably be viewed as very controversial given the history of its people.

as a woman of color and a Jew i can't say i intentionally seek out this style of play. though i don't find it offensive either. i enjoy humiliation and this would obviously feed into that. while i would have no qualms about my owner doing such, i'd never request it either. nor would i find it arousing outside of the constraints of intentional debasement. being the recipient of such from someone of a different ethnicity would not factor into my enjoyment. i simply don't think along those lines at all.

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RE: Lesbian racial play bdsm - 9/27/2009 3:25:48 AM

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Your reaction suggests that racial play is okay when or because Jews also perform it. It is like saying the state of Israel can do no wrong because of the horrors the Jews went through in the past. And what exactly do you mean mentioning you know a black dom openly berating his white bitch? You mean a white dom can have a black bitch because black doms have white bitches?

no, i think he was illustrating a race play dynamic where the supposed German party was actually Jewish but was playing a different role in that scenario. one that would probably be viewed as very controversial given the history of its people.
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There were Jewish German Officers. Apart from this fact it still is not clear what allthatjaz means to say.

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RE: Lesbian racial play bdsm - 9/28/2009 10:08:13 AM

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I have not done race play but I can grok it.

I define play between two people of different races as interracial play. For me to define it as race play (versus interracial play), race needs to play a role in what is done in spirit of BDSM. I used to think of race play as role play that was based on race. That is, I used to describe a plantation role play scene between a Hispanic domme and an Asian sub as race play. Now, I describe such a scenario as race-based role play. Now I describe race play where the play touches upon the race (or ethnicity, or religion) of one or both involved. I would describe a plantation role play between a Hispanic domme and a Black submissive as race play. I would describe any person using race as a means to affect the other in the spirit of BDSM as race play.

I attribute part of this evolution of definition to seminars given by Midori at Southplains Leatherfest where she discussed race play to play with or process cultural trauma.

Midori asked in her seminar that why is that we can tolerate a role play based on rape (and suspend how we feel about rape outside the context of play) but a role play based on a Nazi interrogating a Jew would draw objections. The general response to that question was that issues over which we have not fully healed as a society are still raw and rile sensitivities. To elaborate, a role play scenario where a Union soldier humiliates a Confederate soldier would not draw as much objection today as it would have immediately after the Civil War because time has allowed some healing. And a role play scenario between one dressed in a Turkish military uniform and one dressed in a Armenian military uniform would not draw much response here (because it is not a trauma that affects society here) but would draw objections if done in Turkey or Armenia--it is a matter about which society there is sensitive and for which healing remains.

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RE: Lesbian racial play bdsm - 9/28/2009 10:28:28 PM

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This type of play has the potential for some serious repercussions. Why would one desire such play? I would be very careful when chosing someone for this. I can't help but think that one who desires this type of play truly has issues serious issues with the person's race

Acer, this place is about consensual relationships, and yes some of the folks have issues, but who among us is without any issue?

I, at one point, had difficulty understanding this (racial play, or black folks seeking to be slaves to anyone), but that also meant I had to eliminate black (like me) men from my pool of potential slaves.   Than the question, how the hell have you found yourself in a place where a relationship with folks who look like you, are to be avoided, came up (in my head). Than, the consentual/desired/sought light bulb went on (after interacting and discussing with folks here on the matter).   People here, are willing adults, seeking to be in a specific type of relationship.

I can appreciate your concern, just like I find myself too concerned to engage in anything but light humiliation, in my relationship...   But I acknowledge this as part of my own boundaries.   Fortunately, as a domina who makes my own rules, I tell any potential where I stand, and let the chips fall where they may.
While I don't engage in race play, I don't care if anyone else does in the privacy of his/her space.    M

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RE: Lesbian racial play bdsm - 9/29/2009 1:52:45 AM

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I have no time for those amongst us that show prejudice. As far as I am concerned prejudice comes out of ignorance and makes them a prisoner of there own hatred.
That is not the reason I don't play around with racist games. It simply does nothing for me and so I have no urges to go to that place. Neither do I have any urges to go to age play but I am not so stupid to believe that age play has anything to do with reality. I don't believe that all ageplayers must have hidden pedophile tendencies and I don't believe that all race players are secret members of the Nazi party.

In the UK most clubs have rules stating no Nazi emblems to be worn. Clearly this symbol upsets people because it still tends to act as an advert of hatred towards the Jews. Playing racial games in a public place would be highly risky even in a fet club.

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RE: Lesbian racial play bdsm - 9/29/2009 2:18:34 AM

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Your reaction suggests that racial play is okay when or because Jews also perform it. It is like saying the state of Israel can do no wrong because of the horrors the Jews went through in the past. And what exactly do you mean mentioning you know a black dom openly berating his white bitch? You mean a white dom can have a black bitch because black doms have white bitches?

no, i think he was illustrating a race play dynamic where the supposed German party was actually Jewish but was playing a different role in that scenario. one that would probably be viewed as very controversial given the history of its people.
porcelaine

There were Jewish German Officers. Apart from this fact it still is not clear what allthatjaz means to say.

I would of answered you had it not been for the recent and persistent mail you kept delivering at my door step. I actually don't have anything more to say to you.

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RE: Lesbian racial play bdsm - 9/29/2009 12:38:39 PM

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Midori asked in her seminar that why is that we can tolerate a role play based on rape (and suspend how we feel about rape outside the context of play) but a role play based on a Nazi interrogating a Jew would draw objections. The general response to that question was that issues over which we have not fully healed as a society are still raw and rile sensitivities. To elaborate, a role play scenario where a Union soldier humiliates a Confederate soldier would not draw as much objection today as it would have immediately after the Civil War because time has allowed some healing. And a role play scenario between one dressed in a Turkish military uniform and one dressed in a Armenian military uniform would not draw much response here (because it is not a trauma that affects society here) but would draw objections if done in Turkey or Armenia--it is a matter about which society there is sensitive and for which healing remains.

I'm sure this is true as far as public attitudes are concerned, but race play (or any other kind of play) being done in private only has to work for the individuals involved. Some Armenian kinksters might be too uncomfortable with their history with the Turks to want to "go there" even in role-playing, and some might be so indifferent to their ethnicity and heritage that this type of play wouldn't have any emotional impact, but in between those extremes there are probably some people who would get a submissive thrill out of having to lick the boots of a scary Turkish oppressor or a dominant thrill out of having the opportunity to take kinky revenge. And presumably that whole spectrum of responses would be mirrored on the Turkish side, too.

As a white submissive with ancestry mostly from the British Isles, my problem is that I can't point to an obvious oppressor group for race play scenarios. I guess I could look for an Italian domme who wanted to re-live the days when the Romans were enslaving my ancestors, but that's really stretching a point. On the bright side, the British Empire had a hand in oppressing, enslaving, exploiting or bullying almost every other variety of humanity under the sun*, so perhaps I'll eventually encounter someone who would enjoy playfully turning the historical tables. I do think this premise could be hot - because it would put some additional emotional distance between myself and my tormentor, and because it would encourage her to see me as "the other" and treat me with appropriate harshness.

*Yes, okay, I'm exaggerating. But not THAT much.

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