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What can and can't an American Preach? - 8/3/2009 9:56:45 PM

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It's not weither I agree or disagree with what a you say, I'll allow you to say it and not hold you accountable for the actions of those who listen to you.

This bill is just one step closer to destroying Freedom of Speech.

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I'm all for equal rights and oppose hate crimes. However, I'm not going to force anyone not to say what they think.

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RE: What can and can't an American Preach? - 8/3/2009 10:03:51 PM

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Oh...my...god.....

When will the relgious right, step off?

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RE: What can and can't an American Preach? - 8/3/2009 10:25:11 PM

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The easiest speech to ban is the stuff damn near everybody is offended by. Lucky for us, the founders put judicial review into the law.

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RE: What can and can't an American Preach? - 8/3/2009 10:52:43 PM

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Preaching that homosexuality is sinful is not going to violate any law. Hate crime laws are only applied when hate speech is directed against a victim of a crime and there is reason to believe the crime was motivated by the victims status in one or anothe rprotected group.

So unless a preacher gets up in the pulpit and tells his flock to attack or kill homosexuals they have nothing to fear from hate crime law. I will note that many openly racist churches operate in this nation every day without being prosecuted for the vile things they say about people of various ethnic groups. If a prosecutor was actually going to use hate crime laws against preachers don't you think it would have been done already to one of the Klan affiliated churches?

This is just another one of the ludicrous 'the sky is falling' claims made by people in the business of making money by telling people christianity is under attack. Just like O'Reilly's yearly freak out about "the war on christmas."

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RE: What can and can't an American Preach? - 8/4/2009 6:09:24 AM

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Oh...my...god.....

When will the relgious right, step off?

About the same time you figure out that it has nothing to do with party affiliation.

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RE: What can and can't an American Preach? - 8/4/2009 10:40:51 AM

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If these people would only follow their own religious teaching they would be trying to help homosexuals repent for their sins rather than persecuting them. If they were to preach from the pulpit that homosexuals are still loved by God even in sin there would be no need of hate crime laws to protect homosexuals…at least as far as the church is concerned.

The church should be actively inviting homosexuals into their congregations…after all is the saving of the soul not the main business of Christianity?

All of this discussion is just another example of how man warps the word of God to justify their personal hate and fear of those different from themselves.

All I can say is God forgive them.

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RE: What can and can't an American Preach? - 8/4/2009 12:48:46 PM

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This whole supposed controversy is pretty much bogus, that being said I am opposed to so called "hate crime" laws. My reasons have been well established in other threads on the topic in the past.

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RE: What can and can't an American Preach? - 8/4/2009 9:21:44 PM

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I'm against ALL sides here!

1. The preachers who preach hate. Jesus said "Hate the sin, love the sinner." Any preacher who condemns gays is not following the teachings of his God.

2. The hate crimes bill itself. It is legal to hate right now, even if deplorable - the government has not yet regulated thought, Nor should they. If a crime is committed, the fact that it was done from prejudice should have no impact.

3. The commentator. A preacher has huge impact and can influence hundreds of people. If he essentially issues the conservative Christian equivalent of a fatwa, he sure as hell should be held liable. Under current law, if he states something that could be considered encouragement to murder or attack others, he can and should be held liable for resultant actions - the proposed bill doesn't change that.

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RE: What can and can't an American Preach? - 8/4/2009 10:14:14 PM

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From your link:

‘The measure, combined with existing law, could expose to prosecution Christians and others who proclaim the Bible’s teaching that homosexual behavior and other sexual relations outside marriage are sinful. For example, if a person commits a violent act based on a victim’s “sexual orientation” after hearing biblical teaching on the sinfulness of homosexual behavior, the preacher or teacher could be open to a charge of inducing the person to commit the crime, some foes say.’

Yeah, I would hope so.

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RE: What can and can't an American Preach? - 8/4/2009 10:28:02 PM

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Oh...my...god.....

When will the relgious right, step off?

About the same time you figure out that it has nothing to do with party affiliation.

Of course it does.

Can you tell me what the equivalent of the Moral Majority or the Family Values Coalition would be for Democrats?

The Republican Party has become the self-righteous guardian of all that is moral and good, at least according to their
political rhetoric.

What never ceases to amaze me is how many on an alternative lifestyles website support this party filled with those who view alternative lifestyles as something sinful and to be regulated against.

But of course, Republicans are for restricting government, unless it involves something they find offensive to their delicate moral sensibilities.

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RE: What can and can't an American Preach? - 8/5/2009 5:28:29 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: rulemylife

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ORIGINAL: thishereboi

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Oh...my...god.....

When will the relgious right, step off?

About the same time you figure out that it has nothing to do with party affiliation.

Of course it does.

Can you tell me what the equivalent of the Moral Majority or the Family Values Coalition would be for Democrats?

The Republican Party has become the self-righteous guardian of all that is moral and good, at least according to their
political rhetoric.

What never ceases to amaze me is how many on an alternative lifestyles website support this party filled with those who view alternative lifestyles as something sinful and to be regulated against.

But of course, Republicans are for restricting government, unless it involves something they find offensive to their delicate moral sensibilities.

That is because we are not stupid enough to believe that the christian liberals are any different in their thinking than the christian conservatives. You want to believe that only the christians on the right are against homosexuallity, abortion and other perversions, then go right ahead. But I know better.

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RE: What can and can't an American Preach? - 8/5/2009 8:31:57 AM

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That is because we are not stupid enough to believe that the christian liberals are any different in their thinking than the christian conservatives. You want to believe that only the christians on the right are against homosexuallity, abortion and other perversions, then go right ahead. But I know better.

No, I don't.

And I realized after I posted that I made it sound that way.

The point I was trying to make is those types of groups have far more influence, and are far more organized, within the Republican Party than with Democrats.

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