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rulemylife -> RE: Why Most Journalist are Democrats (8/5/2009 10:01:46 AM)

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ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy

www.irs.gov wow that took a lot, i can see why you were so reluctant to find it


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Are you kidding me?

You give me a link to the general IRS website?

Am I supposed to search it for proof you are right?

If you are going to make controversial claims back them up with specific references.








rulemylife -> RE: Why Most Journalist are Democrats (8/5/2009 10:07:35 AM)

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ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy

you apparently have a limited understanding of "trickle down economics" and whether or not it has worked before. You can start here.

http://www.philosofiles.com/big/politics/blair-trickledownreagan.shtml

Its a good, non-technical start for a noob in economics.


A right-wing blog is a good start to learn about economics?

Surely, being the economic analyst you have said you are, you can do better.




popeye1250 -> RE: Why Most Journalist are Democrats (8/5/2009 12:50:46 PM)

Hey you two, get a room!
If "trickle down economics" is such a great thing how about we have it for the big corporations and the wealthy and let them stand around with their baskets waiting for the trickle?
We have a seperation of church and state and we need to have a seperation of state and big business.




willbeurdaddy -> RE: Why Most Journalist are Democrats (8/5/2009 1:59:26 PM)


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ORIGINAL: rulemylife

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ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy

you apparently have a limited understanding of "trickle down economics" and whether or not it has worked before. You can start here.

http://www.philosofiles.com/big/politics/blair-trickledownreagan.shtml

Its a good, non-technical start for a noob in economics.


A right-wing blog is a good start to learn about economics?

Surely, being the economic analyst you have said you are, you can do better.



Ive got several books on the topic. You wouldnt understand them. I gave you that link to dumb it down for you.




DomKen -> RE: Why Most Journalist are Democrats (8/5/2009 2:34:23 PM)

Well I would understand anything you care to post but will save you some effort at searching Amazon.

This is what economists at the NY Fed thought of supply side economics (after a decade of implementation):
http://www.newyorkfed.org/research/quarterly_review/1992v17/v17n1article1.pdf

Here's a fascinating book on the history of the rise and fall of supply side economics by a WSJ reporter who was there:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1587981807




willbeurdaddy -> RE: Why Most Journalist are Democrats (8/5/2009 4:46:58 PM)


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ORIGINAL: DomKen

Well I would understand anything you care to post but will save you some effort at searching Amazon.

This is what economists at the NY Fed thought of supply side economics (after a decade of implementation):
http://www.newyorkfed.org/research/quarterly_review/1992v17/v17n1article1.pdf

Here's a fascinating book on the history of the rise and fall of supply side economics by a WSJ reporter who was there:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1587981807



You havent shown that you understand plain English, how are you going to understand something more complex that Dick and Jane?

Have them, read them. Also have and read:

http://www.amazon.com/World-Works-Anniversary-Gateway-Contemporary/dp/0895263440

http://books.google.com/books?id=XkO_g5TP828C&dq=supply+side+policies+cook+healey&printsec=frontcover&source=bl&ots=sY7vSxtf2w&sig=EfP2WJjoXbRQRt_cObmZaWyVSiM&hl=en&ei=3RZ6SrKVBo_csgPquLC-Dw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1#v=onepage&q=&f=false

All of Robert Mundell's (Nobel Prize winner) lectures and papers

Everything written by Laffer, Friedman and von Mises.




kdsub -> RE: Why Most Journalist are Democrats (8/5/2009 7:26:18 PM)

Very simple Firm... there are more liberals than conservatives... no reason the news organizations should not reflect this.

A reporter or talking head worth a shit reports the news not editorialize it.

Butch




FirmhandKY -> RE: Why Most Journalist are Democrats (8/5/2009 7:39:47 PM)


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ORIGINAL: kdsub

Very simple Firm... there are more liberals than conservatives... no reason the news organizations should not reflect this.

A reporter or talking head worth a shit reports the news not editorialize it.

Butch


Butch,

Good reasoning, but I disagree with a couple of your assumptions.

The first is that there are more liberals, than there are conservatives.

The majority of Americans are conservative fiscally and politically, but liberal in social issues.

The second assumption I disagree with is that it is somehow "right" that a liberal world view should dominate the news organizations.

But thank you for the post. Glad to see someone addressing the actual subject.

Firm




servantforuse -> RE: Why Most Journalist are Democrats (8/5/2009 7:42:36 PM)

I think that we will find out just how many liberals there really are in November of 2010.




FirmhandKY -> RE: Why Most Journalist are Democrats (8/5/2009 7:50:34 PM)


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ORIGINAL: servantforuse

I think that we will find out just how many liberals there really are in November of 2010.

If the declining poll numbers are any indication ... they might be scarer than hen's teeth by then. [:D]

Firm




KneelforAnne -> RE: Why Most Journalist are Democrats (8/5/2009 7:52:11 PM)

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ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY

Why Most Journalists Are Democrats
By Barbara Oakley, Ph.D., P.E.
Created Aug 3 2009 - 2:49pm
Psychology Today


quote:

Unsurprisingly, self-selection plays an important role in choosing a job. People choosing to do work related to prisons, for example, commonly show quite different characteristics than those who volunteer for work in helping disadvantaged youths. Academicians have very different characteristics than CEOs—or politicians, for that matter. ... "Journalism, like social work, tends to attract individuals with a keen interest in bettering the world.” In other words, journalists self-select based on a desire to help others. Socialism, with its “spread the wealth” mentality intended to help society’s underdogs, sounds ideal.

...

Instead, because of their ideological biases, professors often emphasize that corporations are the bad guys, while unions and the government—at least the type of government that supports higher paychecks for social science professors and jobs for their students—are good. This type of teaching makes the Democratic Party and its increasingly socialist ideals seem naturally desirable, and criticism about how those ideals will supposedly be met less likely.

...

Journalists sometimes say conservatives and political independents don’t go into journalism because they’re more interested in money. The unspoken message, of course, is that conservatives are greedy bastards who don’t have a social conscience. But many conservatives go through college to become stay-at-home housewives—they’re hardly Gordon Geckos. More likely, conservatives are turned off by the propaganda dished out in their social science classes.

...

Professors in the humanities and social sciences are taken aback by the kinds of claims I’m making here. How could there possibly be such problems within a discipline—or multiple disciplines—without most academicians being aware of them? But, having worked among the Soviets, I know that large groups of very intelligent people can fall into a collective delusion that what they are doing in certain areas is the right thing, when it's actually not the right thing at all.

...

As far as investigating the dark side of the Major Issues, there’s a critically important concept that students of journalism are rarely taught. It’s easy to find any number of targets to write about in capitalist societies with an open press. But totalitarian governments are journalistic black holes. Journalists can tickle their self-righteous neurocircuitry every day (and many do), by exposing easy-to-find faults in democratic societies. But beyond their event horizon is the bigger story that often remains untold as it occurs—the horrific deaths of millions in totalitarian regimes like the former Soviet Union, Communist China, North Korea and, yes, Saddam Hussein’s Iraq.

...

If you’re a journalist, want to help people and want to tell the truth, what truth are you going to tell? Why, the truth you think helps people, of course!

Technically, that’s the truth.

But it’s very different than the truth.


Interesting read, although a bit short. The links in the original article give a lot more substance to the author's arguments.

I think that many people will claim that "news" today is about corporatism, since most of the news agencies are owned by large corporations, and I think there is some truth to that.

However, on just about every bit of reporting there is, a reporter is going to include his own biases, and beliefs. It's almost impossible not to do so.

Which is where the "liberal bias" that we on the right so talk about, and that the left so loudly disclaims comes from.

Firm


~FR~

No one exists in a vacuum.  Everyone has an opinion, however, if it's too openly biased in one direction or another then the "news" is questionable. 

For instance, when I cared, I did not watch FOX News because I knew that we had vastly differing opinions and I would simply end up yelling at the television.  Highly un-productive. 

I would venture to say that journalists are better versed in the small nuances that cause ripple effects in larger issues, thus small things that seem insignificant (to the general public) are actually more than pebbles in the puddle. 

I tend to think that journalists favor (a bit) the party that is out of power, just to create (false?) conflict so that viewers tune in to see the verbal scuffles. 

That said, I no longer watch TV except for smut like LOST and Grey's Anatomy. 

*grins*






servantforuse -> RE: Why Most Journalist are Democrats (8/5/2009 7:59:44 PM)

I really don't think that the liberal media that is in the tank for the Obama administration will change there view because the republicans are in the minority right now. They like those on the left and will stay that way..




KneelforAnne -> RE: Why Most Journalist are Democrats (8/5/2009 8:04:24 PM)

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ORIGINAL: servantforuse

I really don't think that the liberal media that is in the tank for the Obama administration will change there view because the republicans are in the minority right now. They like those on the left and will stay that way..


sfu,
I agree they have been much kinder to Obama than they were to Bush.  But it stands to reason that it would be so, as it is still early. 

Don't worry.  There's still time for them to rip him to shreds too! 

(Said to be funny, not mean)





servantforuse -> RE: Why Most Journalist are Democrats (8/5/2009 8:10:22 PM)

Chris Mathews from 'soft ball' said it was his job to see that Obama was successful after he was elected. A true unbiased reporter. Guys like him and Keith Oberman will never change. 




KneelforAnne -> RE: Why Most Journalist are Democrats (8/5/2009 8:18:34 PM)

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ORIGINAL: servantforuse

Chris Mathews from 'soft ball' said it was his job to see that Obama was successful after he was elected. A true unbiased reporter. Guys like him and Keith Oberman will never change. 


*le sigh*

Are we really going to do this? 
Shall we all drag out names of biased reporters?

Let's be big boys and girls and agree that there are loud mouth bigots and small minded politicians on both sides. 

It's my view that SOME journalists stir up trouble to get ratings/viewings, in the same way the NBC news at 6 leads with the story of the home invasion, the 15 car pile-up and the murder-suicide.  Because it's an attention grabber.

Some people will always watch FOX, some will always watch CNN...that is just the way it goes.  The problem is there are very few UNbiased sources of news. 

Not to steal the thread...merely to add, if I may...? 

Does anyone know of any (truly?) unbiased news sources? 

**ETA - This could sound nasty, and I don't mean it to be**




lronitulstahp -> RE: Why Most Journalist are Democrats (8/5/2009 8:26:25 PM)

FR~
Meh...i've seen people ask why most teachers are Democrats too...but nobody can  accuse them of being swayed by huge paychecks.




KneelforAnne -> RE: Why Most Journalist are Democrats (8/5/2009 8:26:43 PM)

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ORIGINAL: servantforuse

Chris Mathews from 'soft ball' said it was his job to see that Obama was successful after he was elected. A true unbiased reporter. Guys like him and Keith Oberman will never change. 


And -

If Chris Matthews is saying that it's his job to make sure Obama is successful then I wouldn't think he was claiming to be unbiased. 





rulemylife -> RE: Why Most Journalist are Democrats (8/5/2009 8:37:42 PM)

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ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy

Ive got several books on the topic. You wouldnt understand them. I gave you that link to dumb it down for you.


Ohhhhhhhh. Willbeurrrrrrrr.

That's truly a sad ploy.

But how about you pretend I'm smarter than you think and provide the information for the claims you keep making but don't seem able to substantiate.




rulemylife -> RE: Why Most Journalist are Democrats (8/5/2009 8:43:39 PM)

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ORIGINAL: servantforuse

I think that we will find out just how many liberals there really are in November of 2010.


Seems I heard the same on here when McCain was ahead in the polls.

But just like supporting a losing hometown team in baseball, there's always next year.







FirmhandKY -> RE: Why Most Journalist are Democrats (8/5/2009 8:50:21 PM)


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ORIGINAL: lronitulstahp

FR~
Meh...i've seen people ask why most teachers are Democrats too...but nobody can  accuse them of being swayed by huge paychecks.

Who is accusing journalist of being swayed by huge paychecks?

Firm




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