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RE: Christianity, your doing it wrong - 8/12/2009 9:00:01 PM   
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RE: Christianity, your doing it wrong - 8/12/2009 9:03:47 PM   
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Status: offline 		There is just no biblical authority for christian to suggest the OT does not apply to them. 

One of the many man made doctrines of the bible is Original Sin.  This is firmly rooted in the OT.  As are the 10 commandments.

60% of Jesus' sayings are attributed to the OT or other sources:
http://rexweyler.com/the-jesus-sayings/
http://www.westarinstitute.org/
(Above is the Jesus Seminar.  150 of the most respected modern scholars from around the world.  I believe they put it closer to 40-50%)
http://www.religion-online.org/showarticle.asp?title=542 - book of Q.  Believed link all 4 of the anonymous authors of the NT shared.
http://www.religiousstudies.uncc.edu/JDTABOR/jesussayings.html - a few of these are debated
http://www.amazon.com/Who-Wrote-New-Testament-Christian/dp/0060655186 - My favorite author on the subject
lbert Schweitzer, The Quest for the Historical Jesus, London: A. & C. Black, 1910.
(I could quote links all day)
Anyhow, much of what christ said is not attributed to him - it was borrowed from the OT or earlier cynics.

The OT and NT are so pathetically intertwined it is pathetic.

There is no biblical authority which separates Christians from the OT or laws there in.

As early as 144 Christians saw how vile the OT was and attempted to try to invent reasons to separate themselves from it.  Marcionism is a perfect example of this.  In these times they often failed to see how troubled the NT was because they did not have access to "all of it."

It is not possible to be any clearer on this point. . .  there is simply no biblical authority which separates Christianity from the OT.  However, as I have demonstrated this desire has been present since 144 CE.  The NT is dependent upon the OT for its existence.

If you disagree the argument is one from ignorance or with modern scholarship.  Sorry

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RE: Christianity, your doing it wrong - 8/12/2009 9:10:50 PM   
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I was watching Judge Judy one day during the trial and she said to the defendant if it doesn't make sense it's a lie. And a lot about religion doesn't make sense so I wouldn't take it too seriously. Just try to do the right thing and do good in your life and don't worry so much about something that was written 2000 years ago when we didn't have any science and did not understand much and couldn't explain much either.
That is about the 4th or 5th time you have trotted out that same damned Judge Judy line. What is it with you and her, you trying to elevate her to the status of a philosopher or something? Surely you can find something better to base life's decisions on than the sayings of a friggin TV character.


Back off Judge Judy, yo.


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RE: Christianity, your doing it wrong - 8/12/2009 9:57:37 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Rule

Christians also were told in the New Testament something like: Investigate everything and keep what is good. So Christians can toss out anything they deem not good.


This is so out of context.  Where, prove to me it's in THE Book. 

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RE: Christianity, your doing it wrong - 8/12/2009 10:09:30 PM   
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ORIGINAL: MasterHermes

The Gospels look like contradicting because they are used as a tool to establish authority over people. The problem doesnt arise from the Gospels, its the religious authority that manipulates them. You dont have to care what they say, but if you pick one gospel and read it without adding other books, letters, folklore, comments etc.., you will see its a spiritual teaching, and there are no contradictions in it.
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Where do you get this type of conclusion from?
You are making this up....right??
If not, please do tell your source.

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RE: Christianity, your doing it wrong - 8/13/2009 1:30:57 PM   
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ORIGINAL: RealSub58

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ORIGINAL: MasterHermes

The Gospels look like contradicting because they are used as a tool to establish authority over people. The problem doesnt arise from the Gospels, its the religious authority that manipulates them. You dont have to care what they say, but if you pick one gospel and read it without adding other books, letters, folklore, comments etc.., you will see its a spiritual teaching, and there are no contradictions in it.
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Where do you get this type of conclusion from?
You are making this up....right??
If not, please do tell your source.


This is how religion has operated for thousands of years.   The Catholic Church invents saints at the drop of a hat to this day.


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RE: Christianity, your doing it wrong - 8/13/2009 6:16:37 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Esinn

There is just no biblical authority for christian to suggest the OT does not apply to them. 

One of the many man made doctrines of the bible is Original Sin.  This is firmly rooted in the OT.  As are the 10 commandments.



Christians will claim this but it's merely their interpretation. Jews, who's ansestors wrote the hebrew bible (OT), and who have had much more time to contemplate it, do not believe in the concept of original sin in the same way as, for example, catholics would expose it today.

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RE: Christianity, your doing it wrong - 8/13/2009 6:24:12 PM   
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ORIGINAL: GotSteel

In another thread it was asserted that all the rules in the Old Testament have nothing to do with Christianity. Now don't get me wrong I think it's great that people are ignoring the Old Testament a lot of it is horrible, I wish they would disregard the New Testament as well. What I don't understand is how someone can disregard The Law in the Old Testament when Jesus tells them to follow it and still call themselves a Christian.
 
Matthew 5:17-20

Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. Anyone who breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven.


Keep in mind that in the bible jesus himself breaks torah repeatedly, which is one reason the pharasees are always on his case in the bible. This also shows the petty nature of the man, who insults and attacks all enemies and critiques of him, rather than loving his enemies, as can be seein in the mathew 5:17 quote. He heals on the sabath, he kills fruit tree's for not bearing fruit Out Of Season, etc etc. According to the hebrew bible (OT) this is enough to identify him as a false prophet. (Deut. 13:1-4). Some christians will claim he came to fulfill a law or laws, but they can't say what that law is or how this is accomplished, so this is said out of utter ignorance. Laws cannot be fulfilled, contracts can, a type of law, but jesus fulfilled no covinants in the bible. Saying one can fulfill law is like me explaining to a highway patrolmen that it's okay that I was speeding this time because I already did the spead limit on the road and thus fulfilled the law. And I might remind you that jesus in no way fulfilled the messianic prophicies, so the entire christian notion that he is somehow christ (christ being a greeko-roman translation of messiah, meaning annointed one, thus christ and messiah are interchangable) is false. Jesus was no more the messaiah than you or I.

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