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I'm more in the "do something now and fix it later" camp. There is definitely a need for speed. If a health care bill isn't passed before the election season gets rolling early next year, I think it's likely that it won't be passed at all and they'll have to start over after the 2010 election. Public support is already waning, and no incumbent will want to be tied to an unpopular bill during election season. The Dems are most likely going to lose some seats in 2010 - the President's party usually does in the mid-term elections - which will make it even tougher to get a bill on the table that provides universal coverage.

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All we have to do now is get the members of congress to read their own bill. So far 7 of 100 senators have actually read it. As far as the house, I doubt very much that very few of their 435 members have read it, or intend to read it. After all, they have their own plan and won't use this one.

In actuality there isn't yet a bill in front of the Senate to read so complaining that only those Senators who are actually engaged in writing the bill have read it is ridiculous.

The House bill, linked above, is over 1000 pages and quite dense. Skimming it just to be able to say that the Congressperson had read it is a waste. What should happen as happens with all major bills is the member's staff will break it into different pieces and read it in detail so the member can get an executive summary and will have someone familiar with every section available to answer more detailed questions.

So ... you admit that the current plans are both incomplete and too difficult to read and understand ... yet it must be passed immediately?

Firm

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All we have to do now is get the members of congress to read their own bill. So far 7 of 100 senators have actually read it. As far as the house, I doubt very much that very few of their 435 members have read it, or intend to read it. After all, they have their own plan and won't use this one.

In actuality there isn't yet a bill in front of the Senate to read so complaining that only those Senators who are actually engaged in writing the bill have read it is ridiculous.

The House bill, linked above, is over 1000 pages and quite dense. Skimming it just to be able to say that the Congressperson had read it is a waste. What should happen as happens with all major bills is the member's staff will break it into different pieces and read it in detail so the member can get an executive summary and will have someone familiar with every section available to answer more detailed questions.

So ... you admit that the current plans are both incomplete and too difficult to read and understand ... yet it must be passed immediately?

Firm

They are incomplete. Too difficult to read and understand? No. Just lengthy but you could read that in my previous post. Perhaps one day you'll stop trying to put words in other people's mouths.

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Your posts basically says that it is too difficult to understand by the very people who will decide whether or not to adopted it, without special help and "translation" through other, "smarter" people.

The problem I have is - if you don't understand it, how the hell can you vote for it?

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Your posts basically says that it is too difficult to understand by the very people who will decide whether or not to adopted it, without special help and "translation" through other, "smarter" people.

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Your posts basically says that it is too difficult to understand by the very people who will decide whether or not to adopted it, without special help and "translation" through other, "smarter" people.

The problem I have is - if you don't understand it, how the hell can you vote for it?

And do you honestly think any organization the size of the federal government can require the 536 top executives to know intimately every single undertaking? You're trying to make hay on something anyone with the ability to think rationally understands is impossible.

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Your posts basically says that it is too difficult to understand by the very people who will decide whether or not to adopted it, without special help and "translation" through other, "smarter" people.

Considering the calibre of people elected (both up north here and down south) are you really sure you wouldn't want them to be advised by smarter people? The political process as it stands today doesn't really reward either brains or integrity....just ask Ron Paul or Robert Stanfield.

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Hey, Arpig. There is no one smarter than you, or I.

I think you ought to be in charge of Canada. I'll be the US's king for life.

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Shakespeare (I love that guy,you can spell his name any damned way you want...he spelled it differently all the time[:D]) had it right about in Henry VI.
The problem with both our governments is that they are run by lawyers.

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Yeh but the lawyers have read the thousand pages.

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Yeh but the lawyers have read the thousand pages.

I should hope so, they wrote it.

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Job security.

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I guess that is one of the flaws of the US system, you are always in the middle of an election and political considerations take precedence over all others. That's why the K Streeters have so much influence, your pols are always looking for funding.

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Hey, Arpig. There is no one smarter than you, or I.

I think you ought to be in charge of Canada. I'll be the US's king for life.

Sounds like a plan to me!

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Hmmmm. I have actually been considering trying to get dual citizenship for Canada. So you and firm would be in charge? Yea I could live with that.

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Our so-called health care reform is legislation that will simply redistribute the billions in profits to the most powerful lobby.

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I guess that is one of the flaws of the US system, you are always in the middle of an election and political considerations take precedence over all others. That's why the K Streeters have so much influence, your pols are always looking for funding.

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Laws should be written to cover the overall picture. Give guidelines to federal agencies to come up with the specific regulations to achieve the goals of the law, subject to review and public input.