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FullCircle -> RE: The world woke up and religions closed their doors (8/12/2009 7:11:41 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery People do what they want and justify it with available means. Today, for many it's religion. Without religion, they'd just grab the next available excuse. Just look at the forum "arguments" -- any phrase in a storm. Then they would turn their excuses and reasoning into a new form of religion, so perhaps religion can't be ended so the whole question of ending religion is pointless.

Musicmystery -> RE: The world woke up and religions closed their doors (8/12/2009 7:18:25 AM)
But wait! What if they crossed the International Date Line? --G. Carlin

tazzygirl -> RE: The world woke up and religions closed their doors (8/12/2009 7:38:41 AM)
If religion closed its doors today, in my community, here is what i see happening.... the Free clinic here would be closed. Its ran by the Catholic Charities. many food banks and soup kitchens would close. churches of course 23 religious schools... are public schools still over crowded? im not sure as we homeschooled my son. One major hospital in my area would be closed. Many charities pay the hospital bills for those who cant afford it... at least here. the salvation army would close its doors too. many people would be unable to pay their bills as many church charities pay those, or portions, based upon need. many here would lose their homes. i have six neighbors who have their apartments paid for by Catholic Charities. YMCA's and YWCA's would close. many students would not be going to college this fall if they have a religious scholarship/grant/or attend a faith based campus. i have no idea how many day cares, day camps, kids camps would be closed. no clue how many people would not have medications refilled. i can only imagine the fear of many religious people once they realized the doors were closed. to say that nothing would change shows how short sighted people truly are. while it may change only for a short time, and im sure someone would find funding to reopen the doors to some services provided by these organizations, how long would that take? when you speak of not believing in religion, how you wish it would just go away, how people should wake up to the realities of how delusional it makes people, also remember what good it does do for those same people... and more. charities do not require a membership to give out their services... only a need for their services. fear, panic and loss of resources have a strange effect on people. http://salt.claretianpubs.org/issues/welfare/kammer.html http://www.charity-charities.org/Religious/NorthCarolina.html

Musicmystery -> RE: The world woke up and religions closed their doors (8/12/2009 7:44:44 AM)
So your claim is that without religion, charity would cease to exist? Isn't it also possible that alternatives don't exist because those religious backed organizations are in place? Or do you think that people wouldn't support them if not for religion? Newt Gingrich claimed that if government contributed less, people would give more to charities, that they could pick up the slack. He was wrong. They didn't.

tazzygirl -> RE: The world woke up and religions closed their doors (8/12/2009 7:49:55 AM)
not at all what i said Master Tim i asked what would happen if religion would close its doors tomorrow. funding for alot of these is from the government. the funding would still be there.

Musicmystery -> RE: The world woke up and religions closed their doors (8/12/2009 8:00:56 AM)
Exactly. And so would those charities, in one form or another.

FullCircle -> RE: The world woke up and religions closed their doors (8/12/2009 8:19:55 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl i can only imagine the fear of many religious people once they realized the doors were closed. God decided yesterday that his word is better spread through the internet. He is making a cost saving and can fund many more charitable projects because of this. http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/113541/The-number-of-bishops-could-be-slashed-to-save-money Earthbound Financial Spokesperson for God.

RealSub58 -> RE: The world woke up and religions closed their doors (8/12/2009 8:23:50 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl What if? what would happen? the world woke up, religion closed its doors. anyone want to hazard a guess as to the outcome? im curious to see the answers. I am pages late to this discussion .... but already I see people equate religions=God. So wrong !!

tazzygirl -> RE: The world woke up and religions closed their doors (8/12/2009 8:28:02 AM)
eventually, Master... but how long... and which ones.. and who would organize? http://www.nydailynews.com/archives/news/2001/08/19/2001-08-19_bush__faith_charities_need_f.html Faith based charities dont necessarily provide all the money... they do provide the majority of the services within the center they operate.

tazzygirl -> RE: The world woke up and religions closed their doors (8/12/2009 8:31:45 AM)
oddly enough, i never mentioned god in any of this. these are charities, giving what is needed, many on a volunteer basis, services that many people need, and services that the government cannot supply. they dont push religion, they provide a service. the rest will have to wait until after work. put your god beliefs aside for a few moments. no one who goes to a charity for a hand out or a hand up does so because of their faith in god, they do so because of their real needs.

Musicmystery -> RE: The world woke up and religions closed their doors (8/12/2009 8:35:14 AM)
The point, tazzy, is that charities are not a function solely of religion.

FullCircle -> RE: The world woke up and religions closed their doors (8/12/2009 8:37:58 AM)
Money is money no more or less will exist (in the whole economic system) than before, people will spend on projects as their morality tells them and people will set up such projects on their own. For every charity set up by a religious organisation I bet you could easily find one set up by a non religious organisation or individual, if your tried? Even with the ones set up with religious funding you have to ask yourself if the organiser is actually religious or if they just know that religion is taking a whole heap of money out of the economic system in the name of good causes and they could tap into that? Much like lottery funding, how many charity organisers believe in the lottery?

RCdc -> RE: The world woke up and religions closed their doors (8/12/2009 8:43:32 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl eventually, Master... but how long... and which ones.. and who would organize? Now see, I have faith - in PEOPLE. If religion closed their doors then the people would think with their feet and just organise the charities elsewhere. I find it really sad that some people have such little faith in human nature to continue. And those that only do the chariety thing because of their religion? That's just no big loss anyway. the.dark.

OrionTheWolf -> RE: The world woke up and religions closed their doors (8/12/2009 9:52:03 AM)
From the responses I have seen so far, I take it that the word "religion" actually means the Abrahmic and/or the Judea-Christian religions?

UncleNasty -> RE: The world woke up and religions closed their doors (8/12/2009 10:03:44 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl quote: ORIGINAL: cornflakegirl quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl and an increase in abortions, since most pro life movements are Christian based Nah, because most unwanted pregnancy is due to lack of education and fucked up gender roles. Remove religion and you remove a lot of that sort of thing, reducing the overall need for post contraception birth control. Educate women and make birth control free and easy to get and abortion becomes almost a non-issue. lol... thats such an outdated idea. by the time girls are 12 they know more about sex and prevention then my generation did at 16. many girls intentionally get pregnant these days to "have someone to love" until it dawns fully on them that they are pregnant. A little off topic but I had to put it somewhere. If males were given equal rights in the decision to become a parent then the numbers of these "accidental" pregnancies, many of which are teen pregnancies, would drop dramatically. As it is currently males have no say whatsoever in the accidental, or accidental on purpose, pregnancies and the female is able to enlist the aid of the state in extracting monies for the next 18 years - and this, sometimes, while the males are denied much in the way of parental rights and involvement. Uncle Nasty

RCdc -> RE: The world woke up and religions closed their doors (8/12/2009 10:44:43 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: OrionTheWolf From the responses I have seen so far, I take it that the word "religion" actually means the Abrahmic and/or the Judea-Christian religions? Didn't you know? Christianity is the only religion that organises charitable organisations. Apparently.[8\|][:-] the.dark. Jambala Islamic relief Salaam Hwa Yen Buddist Institute Sikh Missionary Society Ram Krishna Mission Bharat Sevasram Sangha Sewa International Buddhist Society Guru Nanak Nishkam Sewak Jaltha

CallaFirestormBW -> RE: The world woke up and religions closed their doors (8/12/2009 10:47:00 AM)
quote: As it is currently males have no say whatsoever in the accidental, or accidental on purpose, pregnancies and the female is able to enlist the aid of the state in extracting monies for the next 18 years - and this, sometimes, while the males are denied much in the way of parental rights and involvement. UN, I'm going to have to call BS on this one. Guys can put on a condom without being told to by the girl. If I didn't want kids, the condom would be on whether she said she was on birth control or not. DC

Musicmystery -> RE: The world woke up and religions closed their doors (8/12/2009 11:20:28 AM)
quote: Didn't you know? Christianity is the only religion that organises charitable organisations. Apparently Not only that, but apparently all the community action groups don't count.

RCdc -> RE: The world woke up and religions closed their doors (8/12/2009 12:32:31 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery quote: Didn't you know? Christianity is the only religion that organises charitable organisations. Apparently Not only that, but apparently all the community action groups don't count. Pffft... and non religious charity too?????? Now that IS far fetched![8\|][;)] the.dark. Second Harvest Doctors without Borders Southern Poverty Law Centre PATH The Smile Train Barnardos Fistula Foundation Legacy for Charity Cancer Research Union of Concerned Scientists Kiva LaLeche Donors Choose TechnoServe Oxfam(although orignally quaker rooted,not now) The Nature Conservancy Population Connection SEED Richard Dawkins Foundation PLAN CAB Project Peanut Butter EFF Amnesty CVT

cornflakegirl -> RE: The world woke up and religions closed their doors (8/12/2009 12:33:28 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery quote: Didn't you know? Christianity is the only religion that organises charitable organisations. Apparently Not only that, but apparently all the community action groups don't count. A lot of community action that isn't originating from a faith orientation is pretty much invisible. We are atheist members of a Christian social group (long story there!), and when our group does community service, no one knows that two families, a significant minority of the group, are non-believers. When atheists and agnostics were out helping Katrina survivors, they weren't all over the news with their freak flag flying. We are out there, we just aren't pasting how grand we are to help all over the effing place, and therefore the religious right acts as if we don't exist at all.

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