LadyNTrainer
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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer Dominants see such phrases much more literally, I've noticed, than subs will use them. Given that one still has power while one remains alive, 'total surrender' might even imply the sub's death. That's not so silly as it sounds, given that on another thread, recently, certain dommes have been talking about the desire to eat their subs. Cannibal/vore fantasies are not, at least for me, quite as simple as that. But yes, the whole idea of "ultimate submission" is a bit silly, since it is likely to mean totally different things to different people. To one person, scat play may be seen as "ultimate submission". To another, their idea of "ultimate" is gender transformation or being castrated. To yet another, "ultimate" means financial control. And to somebody else entirely, it's all about physical suffering or even willing death in some form or another. These memes have been around for thousands of years, by the way; ask the priests of Kybele. When somebody talks about "ultimate submission", the translation generally seems to be, "Lookit my extreme fetish, it is the ULTIMATE." Problem is, not all femdoms are much into scat play or gender transformation or castration, let alone cannibal snuff porn. So offering the average femdom your idea of ULTIMATE submission is quite likely to end in her going, "Uh, wut? Do not want. Also, you're a weirdo. Just saying." So is that actually submission, let alone ULTIMATE submission? Naaah. From this vantage point, it just looks like an extreme fetish you're trying to be really proud of. So what happens when two people with different ideas of ULTIMATE submission get together? Probably not a whole lot, unless they are both willing to relegate their more-ultimate-than-thou extreme ideas to the realm of fantasy and get on to negotiating something that actually works in real life. Because mostly, all that ULTIMATE stuff kinda doesn't, at least not without a hell of a lot of hard work, maturity and communication on both sides, as well as long term goal compatibility to begin with. And when that's the case, their relationship doesn't much resemble the stereotype you're probably thinking of when you hear the phrase 'ULTIMATE submission'.
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