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Cure for cancer?.... - 8/13/2009 9:16:45 PM   
CNYsubbie


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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0RPoNJ51dYg&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6AOv-YL8_kE&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wIq4xcq2Ojo

But here is the problem....

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RE: Cure for cancer?.... - 8/13/2009 11:45:38 PM   
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Status: offline 		Actually the problem is no one yet knows how to get only cancer cells to absorb gold particles so they can be heated and killed without damaging other tissue.

Mr. Kanzius died from his cancer earlier this year.

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RE: Cure for cancer?.... - 8/14/2009 8:47:30 AM   
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RE: Cure for cancer?.... - 8/14/2009 9:43:29 AM   
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Status: offline 		As usual Beck is lying. DCA might be a treatment for some cancers but it is also a carcinogen itself and its efficacy in humans is as yet unestablished.
http://abcnews.go.com/Health/CancerPreventionAndTreatment/Story?id=2848454&page=1

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RE: Cure for cancer?.... - 8/14/2009 9:52:45 AM   
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Status: offline 		It's ironic that you can buy cigarettes over the counter, but you can't buy DCA or the equivalent. Sometimes things just make me want to puke. It's so easy to debate something over cash while people are dying. I love how you can just get away with anything with enough cash in this country. It seems like there is this magical dollar amount, where people make in life, then at that point sell there soles, and say to hell with humanity. Why people that have money and don't help is retarded. What really makes me puke, is when millionaires go on lavish buying sprees and then spend little to none on important research or humanity. Sorry, I'd rather save a life then buy a Bently. But I guess that's what makes me a poor person, cause I use my brain. I once canvased for 2 years as an activist for several different issues. I can tell you first hand that the majority of wealthy people are grimy people that want to be buried with there cash. I received more help from hard working everyday people than I ever did with wealthy people. I once was chased down the street by a 4 year old wanting to give me her piggy bank to help out on human health issues, but when I asked the same question to a man with 2 Cadillac Escalades and a Mercedes SLR in the Garage he told, ME!, that I was wasting my time! Honestly, it's going to take something pretty drastic to change this though process in this country. When and what will that be?

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RE: Cure for cancer?.... - 8/14/2009 10:17:48 AM   
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Status: offline 		DomKen,

How is Glen lying??? His job is to report the news.. He isn't the doctors doing the research. Anyway, Cancer cells are living things just like us. If you have to "custom" make a poison or "cancar" to kill the cancer, then so be it. The only way to cure cancer or any other virus is to attack the weak part of the organism, providing it doesn't have an effect on the rest of the body.

I was once a firefighter, when your told how to battle a blaze you have to attack one of three things. Fuel (ex: wood), Air, and ignition point. You take away one of these you cannot have a fire. You can put out a single fire with a large bomb (kemo) but then you have a whole nother mess to fix.

The real reason this drug hasn't gone out in the us is simple MONEY! You don't think that when a company puts out a drug on the market, they don't try to make the drug react to another out there to make people sick in a different way so they can then make another drug to fix that? LOL! Years ago a friend had a problem with depression. The doctor gave this person a prescription that after taking just one pill sent my friend to the ER with seizure like symptoms. When my friend got out of the hospital she went right back to the doctor and asked what the hell was his malfunction! Come to find out he was receiving kick backs from the drug company for a clinical trial and never told her! She then went to an all natural clinic and got an all natural product and had NO side effects, AND was out of depression within a few months. I wonder how much the ER made off that visit! What kinds of drugs did they have to use to help her IN the hospital? Whom made money of them?

Why the food AND drug administration is all under one roof is astonishing! There is a reason why there are such higher cancer rates in this country. Even if you separted them, with the way the lobbyest system is set up, it wouldn't matter anyway. Just do research for yourself and be wise where you get your information. If you want the truth about anything follow the money trail.

For example, Wars costs money,.. the same bankers that financed the Germans in WWII where the same people that financed the Allied forces. The only reason wars truly end is because the interest rates and payments to banks are higher than the rewards of the war for an attacking country. That's why we been in Iraq so long. Halliburton is dead set on getting that oil and controlling it like the diamond mine industry.

This post runs around a bit, but bottom line money makes the world go round... But in reality, it's humanity that is the world..

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RE: Cure for cancer?.... - 8/14/2009 10:55:53 AM   
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Status: offline 		No. As I pointed out in the link you obviously failed to read, DCA hasn't been proven to work in people yet. Plenty of things work in the lab and don't work in real life. Beck i ssimply lying when he says DCA the reason it isn't available yet is because it doesn't make money. The pharm company that does the research and produces a usable treatment for cancer involving DCA will receive a patent and will make huge piles of money. If Beck's lips are moving he's lying.

But you're completely welcome to take the chemical. Don't be surprised when the 'completely safe' drug causes your peripheral nerves to die and your liver to actually become cancerous as these are well known side effects of DCA.

There is a long history of researchers making grandiose claims and the public becoming enamored of the new 'treatments' that don't actually work. It is too early to tell with DCA but the lessons from laetril should be kept in mind. Laetril continues to given to desperate people, many of whom die, despite overwhelming evidence that it doesn't work.

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RE: Cure for cancer?.... - 8/14/2009 2:47:10 PM   
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No. As I pointed out in the link you obviously failed to read, DCA hasn't been proven to work in people yet. Plenty of things work in the lab and don't work in real life. Beck i ssimply lying when he says DCA the reason it isn't available yet is because it doesn't make money. The pharm company that does the research and produces a usable treatment for cancer involving DCA will receive a patent and will make huge piles of money. If Beck's lips are moving he's lying.

But you're completely welcome to take the chemical. Don't be surprised when the 'completely safe' drug causes your peripheral nerves to die and your liver to actually become cancerous as these are well known side effects of DCA.

There is a long history of researchers making grandiose claims and the public becoming enamored of the new 'treatments' that don't actually work. It is too early to tell with DCA but the lessons from laetril should be kept in mind. Laetril continues to given to desperate people, many of whom die, despite overwhelming evidence that it doesn't work.


Bingo!

Trust me as a doctor and a cancer survivor if a drug was out there that had enough testing done that it truly worked to destroy cancer cells the whole world would be bombarded with news and publicity.

Researchers and drug companies spend half their time and money promoting their drugs to garner public interest and to put pressure on world health organizations to speed up their findings to get it approved. Testing results whether lab or trial can be made to look pretty much like anything when all you have to do is package it up to present to non scientists and not to the standards of the medical community.



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RE: Cure for cancer?.... - 8/14/2009 10:15:27 PM   
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Status: offline 		Eh maybe, but in my experience...

Most drug companies put out misinformation on there competitors in an attempt to get their drug off the market. Cancer much like anything in life is caused by something. You can blame it on genetics or what have you, but considering that cancer wasn't a huge issue until around the microwave came around is astonishing, considering humans have been around for thousands of years. It is all the chemicals that the FDA allows to go into food, mainly in preservatives that is the biggest problem, besides tobacco use. I think the guy from fast food nation would agree on that. People can stick up for the pharmaceutical companies all they want I know that means job security for some people. But regardless, you cannot argue over the fact that Americans are much larger than the rest of the world. I personally do what's right by me and guess what... I've only been sick 1 time my entire life, and I have only been to the docs for regular checkups. And I do have relatives with medical issues related to where they lived and ate. Not saying all doc's are bad, but again it all comes down to money. If you knew the amount of information I did, you would agree at least somewhat on what I am saying. Both of you are thinking on a national level, bankers are much, much higher than that. If you follow the money trails long enough it is all controlled by one central banking system. Your free to believe what you want, just as I am, this is America after all. In the long run don't be fooled by left wing, right wing politics. You wanna live a cancer free life, do research about where you live and what's in your food and water. I don't feel completely confident trusting the government or one doctors opinion about how to live a healthy life, considering tobacco a widely known carcinogen to be sold in this country. If they a product like that to be sold, why should I listen to them about anything else?

Smoke and mirrors, and piles of money, is all it is.

This my opinion...

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RE: Cure for cancer?.... - 8/14/2009 10:30:36 PM   
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Eh maybe, but in my experience...

Most drug companies put out misinformation on there competitors in an attempt to get their drug off the market. Cancer much like anything in life is caused by something. You can blame it on genetics or what have you, but considering that cancer wasn't a huge issue until around the microwave came around is astonishing,

Cancer was prevalent well before the invention of microwaves - and since people live longer, they have more time to develop cancers (especially the slow-growing variants of prostate and breast cancer.)

We had a homework problem in an electromagnetics class that had us evaluate the fields generated by a microwave, and their strength related to the mandated limits.  Modern ones are far, far, below those limits.  And people aren't using them for hours and hours a day while sitting on the door.

You assumption is a good case of saying that correlation equals causation.  A similar approach would be to say that we have much more cancer due to the rise of feminism.

thornhappy the electromagnetics engineer

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RE: Cure for cancer?.... - 8/14/2009 10:51:20 PM   
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Status: offline 		You took what I said out of context... Read it again... I was talking about food preservatives in the food manufactured for microwaves.. Not the actual microwave itself. And Age as nothing to do with cancer.. People are living to be over 100 years old cancer free..

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RE: Cure for cancer?.... - 8/15/2009 5:00:27 AM   
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Status: offline 		Well, I believe you are partially right about the reasons for why we get cancer (or alot of diseases), when you talk about processed foods, breathing in toxins (like cigarettes and pollution), and the like.  I'm not quite sure why you initially put the blame on rich people for not footing the bill for a poorer pts cancer (or blaming rich people in any way).  Rich people don't cause cancer.  What needs to change is education. 

People need to educate themselves.  (after all, its their health!!)  Once they do educate themselves a bit about health matters, they will then learn how pharmaceutical companies aren't as hellbent on keeping other pharmaceutical companies in competition with them, as much as they target external factors.  Do you know how long it took before companies were allowed to say aspirin was beneficial to your heart?  It took almost 10 years.  Because pharmaceutical companies pressured the FDA not to allow companies to proclaim that.  Not to mention, (again, in my opinion) I think the FDA over-regulates the medical community with some of the newer therapies out there, again, because of what the pharmaceutical companies want.

I would like to see everyone taking vitamin D3, because D3 helps every cell in our body function better, and it also helps deter 40-60% of ALL types of cancer. 



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RE: Cure for cancer?.... - 8/15/2009 6:33:32 AM   
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Status: offline 		I don't believe there will be a cure for cancer whilst there is masses of money being injected into the search, as a cure effectively stems that flow. Despite what it will do to lifelong specialists and researchers in the field and their families, think about the pharmaceutical companies involved now. If a cure becomes available, will it be dished out free to everyone, or will it become yet another product to market and there create wealth and power.

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RE: Cure for cancer?.... - 8/15/2009 6:40:19 AM   
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Status: offline 		Dont be so sure. Tne company who develops the "cure" to cancer would be incredibly rich in no time, and would hold patent rights for years to come.

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RE: Cure for cancer?.... - 8/15/2009 7:10:38 AM   
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You took what I said out of context... Read it again... I was talking about food preservatives in the food manufactured for microwaves.. Not the actual microwave itself. And Age as nothing to do with cancer.. People are living to be over 100 years old cancer free..

You're simply wrong.

Most cancers develop well after what was the average life expectancy, about 35 years, of people for most of our history as a species. With advances in public health, sanitation and in nutrition we have doubled that life expectancy. We therefore see many more cancers than in centuries past simply because more of the population lives long enough to get them.

However blaiming preservatives is silly. These chemicals have all been tested extensively in labs and derive from preservation techniques used for centuries.

Most cancers have no easily identifiable cause, they are simply mutations of cells so that they don't undergo apoptosis, cell death, or multiply very quickly. This could be the result of some outside factor but mutations simply occur so the longer you're alive the more likely you will get cancer simply because you have more chance of one of those mutations occuring.

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RE: Cure for cancer?.... - 8/15/2009 8:38:20 AM   
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Status: offline 		There was a study many years ago.. too many for me to remember... while i was in nursing school, i believe. the new england journal of medicine ran it. it contended that many cases of lung cancer were brought on not by smoking, but by the cessation of smoking. no, im not advocating smoking at all. the physiology of it all is this... when you quit, your lungs go through a rapid sloughing off of cells and a regeneration. at this time, any cells predisposed to cancer have an increased chance of mutating into cancerous cells. for these types, smoking isnt the carcinogen. its already there, dormant until they go through a rapid growth.

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