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mnottertail -> Bachmann Beseeches: Don't Palinize Me!!!! (8/14/2009 12:47:52 PM)

http://thomasalamb.blogspot.com/2009/08/rep-bachmann-dont-palinize-me.html

Actually, she is probably just as stupid a cunt as Sarah. I don't think she takes second to anyone.

But isn't calling the reasoned right palin or palinists  as accurate and temperate as calling liberal, socialist, leftie, and so on?

Or due to the conservative media bent, hasn't anyone else noticed this as I have?  




Musicmystery -> RE: Bachmann Beseeches: Don't Palinize Me!!!! (8/14/2009 1:28:38 PM)

"Bachmann even drops in the urban dictionary definition of Palinize:

"Palinize:

"To smear or mock someone using falsehoods, baseless accusations or unsubstantiated character assassinations for the purpose of blocking them from achieving a goal.

"To exaggerate the truth or lie by omission."


Hasn't this been page one of the right's play book since at least the Muskie Letter?




rulemylife -> RE: Bachmann Beseeches: Don't Palinize Me!!!! (8/14/2009 4:31:54 PM)

Somehow this definition has changed. 

When it first came into use during the campaign it referred to her treatment of those she regarded as enemies.




Musicmystery -> RE: Bachmann Beseeches: Don't Palinize Me!!!! (8/14/2009 8:37:58 PM)

Yes, I noticed that too.

Interesting.




TheHeretic -> RE: Bachmann Beseeches: Don't Palinize Me!!!! (8/14/2009 10:47:04 PM)

Ron, I have to wonder if you aren't seeing this more clearly than you are letting on...

Just as the left made a bed for themselves they aren't liking very well in terms of how we speak about our President and express opposition to his policies, they have also created a problem with Sarah Palin.  They should have let it go.  As the political climate changes, she isn't going to disappear.  She becomes far more powerful with every shot the left takes;  a potent symbol of just how hate-filled and hypocritical the left is.  Do you recall in the first Star Wars when Obi-Wan tells Darth Vader that killing him will backfire?

As a candidate, I'm 98.9% sure she is done (God help us all if President Obama fucks up badly enough to make her viable, no matter who wins that!).  Now she gets to be a power broker with those on the fundy-right who adore her.  She has been made famous, and kept that way.  Now she gets her book deal, and probably a TV movie.  How many of those who attack her as a reflex have any idea just how compelling her story is?  More importantly, how many of the fickle middle who were just fed up with Bush II and Republicans have ever heard it before?  If they decide that maybe she isn't so bad after all, that won't bode well for those who were "mean" to her.

I see Sarah as the breakthrough embodiment of a political archetype of socially conservative, evangelical, women.  The Democrats (and their fan club) laid down the template of opposing her with vicious attacks.  Simple narrative, easy to understand, easy to pick a side and polarize.  Every Tina, Doris, and Harriet from the megachurch with a political itch are going to have a ready made campaign path.  If enough people are unhappy with the status quo, it works, and the victim card is ready made when they get into trouble.  Cashing in on the Sarah image won't hurt at the fundy-fundraisers either.

Those who hate her, I suspect, will only become more rabid and vicious, never understanding that they are what sells out her speaking appearances.

Palinize....  fun word.  You do understand that I'm going to enjoy saying "I told you so," right?





Brain -> RE: Bachmann Beseeches: Don't Palinize Me!!!! (8/14/2009 10:58:54 PM)

Powerful? Really? They are both cunts. And I can't believe the people in Minnesota are so stupid to elect Bachmann.

Fans of Sarah Palin Now See Her as a 'Clownish, Vindictive Amateur'
When bloggers who *like* Sarah Palin start describing her as such it's a pretty bad sign for her career.

Reihan Salam, a prominent conservative blogger and Republican strategist, has defended Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin (R) quite a bit over the last several months. He's promoted her, made excuses for her shortcomings, and tried to convince any who'd listen that she's really not as awful as she might seem. Up until recently, Salam has argued valiantly that Palin is a credible national figure and a plausible presidential aspirant.

http://www.alternet.org/blogs/peek/137975/fans_of_sarah_palin_now_see_her_as_a_%27clownish%2C_vindictive_amateur%27/?obref=obinsite





housesub4you -> RE: Bachmann Beseeches: Don't Palinize Me!!!! (8/15/2009 2:38:18 AM)

I still think she will end up on Fox, though as of late with almost all her support is failing her because she continues to prove how little she really knows, so she is perfect for Fox,

As an elected official she is dead, the GOP may use her to get money from those who still see her as having a brain,  but that crowd is getting smaller every day

Her last death panel speech where she mentioned her son once again, then cries foul when  the news mentions her family is turning even her strongest supporters to question her abilities to be in a tough fight with out crying it is not fair 




servantforuse -> RE: Bachmann Beseeches: Don't Palinize Me!!!! (8/15/2009 6:49:04 AM)

The stupid voters in Minnesota that put Bachmann in office also put Al Franken in a senate seat. What the hell is going on in that state ?




mnottertail -> RE: Bachmann Beseeches: Don't Palinize Me!!!! (8/15/2009 10:07:46 AM)

Al Franken actually possesses some acumen.

Nobody thought it strange when a not very good, or intelligent actor became president. 




MarsBonfire -> RE: Bachmann Beseeches: Don't Palinize Me!!!! (8/15/2009 10:33:00 AM)

Just as O'Liely is to Olbermann...

Palin will be to Rachel Maddow.

Let the ratings war begin! (I just hope to shit that Sarah hires a good team, or Maddow will wipe the floor with the brainless little Stepford.)




ThatDamnedPanda -> RE: Bachmann Beseeches: Don't Palinize Me!!!! (8/15/2009 10:38:39 AM)

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

Al Franken actually possesses some acumen.

Nobody thought it strange when a not very good, or intelligent actor became president. 


??? I was appalled! And frankly, I'm just as disgusted that people like Jesse Ventura, Ahnold, and, yes, Franken, are getting elected solely on the basis of their celebrity. It's a depressing commentary on both our political system and our voters.




mnottertail -> RE: Bachmann Beseeches: Don't Palinize Me!!!! (8/15/2009 10:42:49 AM)

Uh, it's not just the basis of their celebrity.  The majority of people thought that Jesse was a republican in disguise, and was going to clean out bad government.

Franken won by 322 votes out of a couple million or some shit?  And I don't ever remember ever in minnesota where there were that many debates for senator.

Now, I don't say that I voted for either and I don't say that some didn't vote for their celebrity, but I bet that alot more people knew who Norm was than Al at the outset.




ThatDamnedPanda -> RE: Bachmann Beseeches: Don't Palinize Me!!!! (8/15/2009 10:47:12 AM)

Sure, but none of those people would have been even close to being in a position to run for office if it hadn't been for their celebrity. It was their fame that got them there, in every case.




mnottertail -> RE: Bachmann Beseeches: Don't Palinize Me!!!! (8/15/2009 10:52:18 AM)

sure, people don't really sift the issues anymore than senators and congressmen read bills they pass and defend or belittle.

Notoriety goes a long way in this life, Panda.

Ron




Musicmystery -> RE: Bachmann Beseeches: Don't Palinize Me!!!! (8/15/2009 10:58:29 AM)

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Sure, but none of those people would have been even close to being in a position to run for office if it hadn't been for their celebrity. It was their fame that got them there, in every case.


This seems a silly bit of rant, Panda. ANYONE running has to have people who know who they are and will then campaign and vote for them. Politics = celebrity. I'm unknown, so vote for me?

Democracy is a numbers game. Elections depend on publicity. They have to. There isn't any other way.

Now, if the complaint is that they had celebrity and nothing else, OK...make the case. I'd disagree with you on Al Franken, who's a pretty sharp guy. Whether you want him as senator is up to you guys. I'd agree with Arnold and Jesse, but it wasn't just celebrity--it was anti-existing structure. Ross Perot (another terrible candidate), same thing.

My position on Palin is already well known, so I'll leave it at that.

And granted, voters seem to make silly decisions in many cases.





rightwinghippie -> RE: Bachmann Beseeches: Don't Palinize Me!!!! (8/15/2009 11:07:49 AM)

Of course Palin started at the very bottom of politics (the PTA) and worked her way up to Governor, no fame. And then nominated for VP as an unknown.

Heretic has a point.

My prsonal take on the Hate Palin thing is her contrast with Hillary. No one can seriously argue Hillary would have any political relevance, except for her lying to allow her husband to run around on her.

I really doubt she has serious ambition for President, maybe in 25 years, if amazing stars line up. I think she may be thinking more along the lines of a Wally Hickel type carreer.




Musicmystery -> RE: Bachmann Beseeches: Don't Palinize Me!!!! (8/15/2009 11:15:19 AM)

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Palin started at the very bottom of politics (the PTA) and worked her way up to Governor, no fame


This isn't true--beauty queen, remember?

quote:

My prsonal take on the Hate Palin thing is her contrast with Hillary. No one can seriously argue Hillary would have any political relevance, except for her lying to allow her husband to run around on her.


I agree that marriage doesn't equal qualified. Clinton, however, has a long legal career, and is brilliant (IQ-wise). She also goes far back in politics--Hillary Rodham was one of the Watergate lawyers. From there, yes, she worked in corporate law.

She was an excellent senator, incidentally. We overwhelmingly reelected her.

I did not support her for President. I do think making her Secretary of State was a reasonable move.

I can't say anything like that for Palin. She shoots from the hip in random directions and spouts rhetoric easily contradicted by science and reality. I absolutely wouldn't trust her as President, and I'm stunned ANYONE would. Even many in her own party agree.




ThatDamnedPanda -> RE: Bachmann Beseeches: Don't Palinize Me!!!! (8/15/2009 11:27:24 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

quote:

Sure, but none of those people would have been even close to being in a position to run for office if it hadn't been for their celebrity. It was their fame that got them there, in every case.


This seems a silly bit of rant, Panda. ANYONE running has to have people who know who they are and will then campaign and vote for them. Politics = celebrity. I'm unknown, so vote for me?

Democracy is a numbers game. Elections depend on publicity. They have to. There isn't any other way.


The difference is, they did it the easy way. They got famous on television, and used that recognition as entertainers to gain credibility with the voters. Getting recognized and becoming known to the voters is the hardest part of a politician's job, and people who aren't already famous have to work very hard at it over a long period of time. The have to do it the old-fashioned way - they go out and put themselves in front of the people, saying, "Here's who i am and what i believe in. Here's what i want to do, and here's how I plan to do it." They do it over and over and over again, and if the people like what they hear, the candidate gains recognition, gains credibility, gains momentum. If their message doesn't connect with people, they get weeded out.

By the time a politician is in a position to run for a serious higher office, they've got a track record. The voters have a pretty good idea of not only who they are, but what they believe in and how effective they are at making it happen. How they behave under pressure, how hard they work, how honest they are, a lot of things that are pretty important to know about someone who's asking for the kind of responsibility a senator or governor is going to have. When you have guys like Ventura or Scharzenegger or Franken just skip that whole seasoning process, go straight to the head of the line just because their face is familiar, you don't know shit about how qualified they are for the job they're asking for. They haven't done anything to prove themselves; they just jump to the head of the line because they've got a familiar face. And you wind up with simpleminded ideologues like Reagan, psychotic buffoons like Ventura, or inneffectual governors like Schwarzenegger.

All I'm saying is, if a politican works their way up through the process, over the course of a few years you can at least get some idea of how qualified they are for higher office. It's not always perfect, but it's much better information than you can get from watching somebody crack sarcastic jokes on television or shoot at robots on a movie screen.

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Musicmystery -> RE: Bachmann Beseeches: Don't Palinize Me!!!! (8/15/2009 11:34:36 AM)

Fair enough. The fault, though, lies with the voters.

Plenty of career politicians do little more than crack sarcastic remarks.




ThatDamnedPanda -> RE: Bachmann Beseeches: Don't Palinize Me!!!! (8/15/2009 11:40:52 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

Fair enough. The fault, though, lies with the voters.



Oh, god yeah. It's definitely the fault of the voters. One more thing that just leaves me shaking my head in disgust at the American political system.




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