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DesFIP -> RE: I knew a guy whose cousin had a friend who said they knew someone who......... (8/17/2009 5:41:27 PM)

Job, no. Custody battles, yes. Usually the father actually doesn't want custody, he just wanted to blackmail her into not asking for child support though.




DomImus -> RE: I knew a guy whose cousin had a friend who said they knew someone who......... (8/17/2009 5:42:54 PM)

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ORIGINAL: SteelofUtah
How many has this happened to personally?


Then we have a show of hands of everyone who broke all the rules and didn't end up in a body bag. Those threads are fun.

(raises hand)

A local munch I used to attend sporadically had Safety as one of its topics one month. The speaker actually used the term "body bag" no fewer than 5 times in the course of the 30 minute discussion... hence one of the reasons I now refer to it as a munch I used to attend.




sweetsub1957 -> RE: I knew a guy whose cousin had a friend who said they knew someone who......... (8/17/2009 6:36:07 PM)

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ORIGINAL: xchellekittyx

yes i've been raped more than one time


Actually I've been raped three times, all vanilla.  Overall, I think kinksters are some of the nicer people I know.  I used to live in a less-than-safe area and, i think, must've exuded "Eau d' Victim" or something  as a result of my then low self-esteem.  I don't often talk about it, because most people don't believe me.




Leiren -> RE: I knew a guy whose cousin had a friend who said they knew someone who......... (8/17/2009 7:08:33 PM)

Not addressing anyone in particular here. I think the rest of you call it fast reply.

Just playing devil's advocate. Many sub types claim they've been raped. I think THEY think it will elicit some protective response in some of the male dominants.

I am in no way saying that rape doesn't happen. All I am saying is that sub types holler 'rape' when a dominant contacts them. To some sub types they want to be rescued whether or not they were really ever raped or not.

Again, just my observation over several years of being in this lifestyle and many different forums. Not to mention the fact that my own dominant has had 'subs' contact him over the last few years begging HIM to rescue them because they claimed they had been raped.

His natural inclination was to attempt to rescue them. He eventually caught on that they had all lied to him in their attempts to use a passive aggressive attempt to get him to rescue them from something they lied about in their attempts to garner sympathy.




xchellekittyx -> RE: I knew a guy whose cousin had a friend who said they knew someone who......... (8/17/2009 7:14:28 PM)

Leiren, i know you were not speaking to me specifically...but personally, it does not come up unless they want a detailed mental health report, they are asking about triggers or they want to know why i won't let them use a belt or anything that feels or sounds like a belt on me....i wrote in a cmail to another user just a bit ago, that i don't think about it every day...and to add on to that...it's not a part of my life anymore, unless i am triggered or someone wants to talk about it...




sweetsub1957 -> RE: I knew a guy whose cousin had a friend who said they knew someone who......... (8/17/2009 7:17:20 PM)

~Fast Reply~
Lying about being raped is sooooooooo totally fucked up.  That's what makes it so hard to believe when someone really is raped.....the liars that get found out.  And using rape stories for leverage and manipulation is sooooooo fucked up too.




lusciouslips19 -> RE: I knew a guy whose cousin had a friend who said they knew someone who......... (8/17/2009 7:28:51 PM)

Really big strong strapping men have so much less to worry about. Lets face it, many women are in real danger because they are weaker. We really are many times seen as prey by predators. In play this is great but with a crazy person, not so.

I never had a bad first meet but I had a bad 3rd and 4th meet. The third was verbal abuse. When he said it was not me and apologized I gave him another chance. The 4th I ended up with swelling in my wrist. So I am much more careful now.




OsideGirl -> RE: I knew a guy whose cousin had a friend who said they knew someone who......... (8/17/2009 7:37:54 PM)

I've never been raped.

That said, there was a rapist that preyed on the LA community. He was out on parole for...you guessed it...rape. He discovered that submissive women were an easy target and used the SoCalSubFem room on AOL to set up dates. He raped 8 women in 6 months. (One of the women was someone I know) We had the police showing up at the LA social and hanging out in our chat room. The name of our chatroom was listed in the LA Times. It was his third strike so he's in prison for life with no hope of parole. This wasn't a rape about BDSM. It was a man that sought out women who had self esteem issues and were very timid and he found a good number in a community where many believe that those who choose to submit should just submit. (February of 2000 for those that want to look it up)

I dated a man for a short time who was fired when a disgruntled submissive printed out his profile and mailed it to his employer.




MeakaBitch -> RE: I knew a guy whose cousin had a friend who said they knew someone who......... (8/17/2009 9:04:36 PM)

I was raped twice. Once when younger by someone who at the time was considerd a friend of the family. Prosecuted and deported ( yes was alien getting green card ), the second however was dealing with the lifestle. Was a close friend in military who I knew for a period of time and played with when he was home in the states. With so many tours in warzones the PTSD finally came, but the triggers for it was still a little iffy ( best explaination ). I came for a few drinks and a little session and something between the session and a shot-- trigger went off and I was 'hodge in the bush' kinda thing. At first didn't really notice since it was all fun n games until things went past limits we had set in place. Then it was just violence then rape followed by him passing out and myself driving home. I figured something had happend since his entire personality had changed, even speech. Came morning and he new a little bit of what happend that night but mostly blacked out.

Since then he has worked for over a year in rebuilding trust with me, has stopped drinking, and seeing therepy to get the PTSD under control. I dont hold it against him, nor use it against any submissives that I meet. I understand things happen and I do carry guilt to the extent that I should of fought harder, or saw signs earlier, or even just trusted gut feelings of "time to go this doesn't feel right anymore.." but I can't go back.

We all must move forward and find strength in doing so. To claim rape falsely is the most...irresponsable, pathetic thing a person ( man or female ) could do! It takes so much to get past what happens mentally and even physically.

Plus...the whole fear of everything that COULD happen makes it hard to enjoy what IS happening. At one point the media was saying eating eggs was a horrible thing, now eggs are a great source of protein and should be eaten. If you set up a meeting with someone over the net..be smart, use common sense, meet in public place and even bring a friend if need be.




Andalusite -> RE: I knew a guy whose cousin had a friend who said they knew someone who......... (8/17/2009 9:12:08 PM)

I haven't had any dramatically bad experiences from meeting people via the Internet. A couple of them said or did something rude afterward, or we just didn't have any chemistry, or whatever. I first met people from a vanilla site over 15 years ago, and have met people through both vanilla and kinky sites since. I do try to be careful, though, which is part of why I think things have gone pretty well. Women do need to be a lot more careful about it than men.




Alixandria -> RE: I knew a guy whose cousin had a friend who said they knew someone who......... (8/17/2009 9:25:02 PM)

~FR~

Back in the day I met a *lot* of folk in the kink community, both one on one and in groups.

Stuff I never worried about:
Really really bad guys like the 52-gallon oildrum guy, or Jeffrey Dahmer or Ted Bundy
Stuff I worried about:
  • That the fellow would be a one-note bore (happened)
  • That the fellow would be a vague sociopathic one-note bore (first time)
  • That the fellow would get infatuated and start to contact me inappropriately (like calling me at work) -- I don't know if this would have happened because of the precautions I will outline below
Stuff I didn't do as a precaution:
  • Sign up to one of these safecall networks that ask you to provide them with enough information to allow identity theft (there was a local network that thought we should give our info like this even though I knew for a fact that one of the people at that network was a stalker)
  • Set up any safecall actually
  • Talk to the person for months on end and collect pictures and real world information on them (which I would have had to reciprocate with)
  • Collect personal references (worth about as much as work references)
Stuff I did do as a precaution:
  • Meet in a neutral place.  No pictures (my description would be like "older heavier lady, shoulder-length silver hair, floor length navy skirt and light purple top").  They all found me ok.
  • If possible no phone number because I only have one and don't want to be bugged.  I hate talking on the phone.
  • Get to said neutral place on my own steam and go home by myself.  (This policy serves me well with shopping for electronics as well. [:D] )  It's to give me a cool-off period to analyze what just happened,
  • Never get into their car (this was a rule in my vanilla days too)
  • and,
  • biggest precaution,
  • Counter intuitively, I would meet as soon as possible.  Before even figuring out about relationship compatibility.  I did not want this to be a fantasy fest on either of our parts.  This meet was just to match real world personas to online personas.
  • Most often, they did not have my real name or any good contact info.
For the most part this worked out just great.  Bad things that happened:  I was bored to death by the one borderline sociopath.  He left early and I could just feel the energy he had vampired out flow back into my body.  I had a few fellows who even though I described myself as a "older heavier lady" really did think they were going to meet a Domme like they saw on the pron sites.  I had one fellow who turned out to really really disapprove of BDSM on principle.  I was able to explain some of the motivations using stuff from his own life as analogies.  We parted friends.

But, you know, I know what those threads are like.  I remember one particularly prolific poster who went on and on and on at great length about the precautions one should take before even meeting up for coffee.  The thing that stuck with me is her insistence on getting work phone numbers and social insurance numbers.  I remember other posters, mostly female subs, chiming in with weirder and weirder precautions.  They all reassured themselves that "If the Dom really loves you and treasures you that he will jump through all those hoops".

Newsflash.  The really good Doms.  They don't have to jump through those hoops.  It's not totally impossible to hit paydirt and find someone so patient that they will chat online for a year before the first phone call or coffee date.  It happens I know.  On the other hand, every week there are lottery winners in Canada/United States.  But chances are that by the time the year of online chat is up, they've found someone at the local munch group or even someone brave enough to go out for coffee who doesn't require enough info to commit identify theft.

Alix





littlewonder -> RE: I knew a guy whose cousin had a friend who said they knew someone who......... (8/17/2009 9:48:54 PM)

ding ding ding

we have a winner.

My thoughts exactly




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