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lizi -> RE: To all subs; Calling another Dominant by Sir, Master or Lord...etc... (8/19/2009 8:47:25 AM)


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ORIGINAL: DarkSteven

I was chatting with a submissive yesterday and we agreed that honorifics are a useful screening mechanism.  If some dingbat 'Dom' insists upon everyone addressing him by his title, you've just learned all about him (although there's at least one Domme dim enough to insist as well on cm) you need to know.



Yes to the above.
I'm willing to give someone the benefit of the doubt and if they ask that I call them Sir, or why I'm not calling them Sir, I nicely explain that I reserve that title for a Dom that is connected to me personally. Many times I get the reply....oh a feisty one!! Bleah....
As if my explanation means I'm somehow 'putting up a fight' for him to take Dominance over me instead of simply explaining my position. Sheesh. Yes, it's a screening mechanism and a pretty useful one as it usually happens pretty early on.

The exception would be if MY Dom asked me to use a title of Sir or whatever in addressing another Dom as being what he wanted from me. Then I'd do whatever he asked me to do.




LinnaeaBorealis -> RE: To all subs; Calling another Dominant by Sir, Master or Lord...etc... (8/19/2009 8:58:43 AM)

I call His Evilness Daddy & he's the only one with whom I would use that title.  When he decided to share me with his best friend, I asked him what I should call [the friend].  He told me to use "Sir", so I that's what I call him.  I often use the terms sir & ma'am as respectful titles, not in a BDSM context.  If Daddy told me to call someone Sir,Master, Grand High Poobah, that's what I would do.




Aylee -> RE: To all subs; Calling another Dominant by Sir, Master or Lord...etc... (8/19/2009 10:00:06 AM)

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ORIGINAL: tammystarm

This is a discussion i've had several time with other subs, and im wondering what most people think.
Dominants please feel free to add Your opinion too.


I have come to learn over many years that calling a Dominant or so called Dominant by what they call themselves, ie Lord, Master or Sir, when you are not their submissive, not realistic. I am in no way disrespectful, i was brought up in the south to use the utmost table manors, and yes sir, no sir, yes ma'am and no ma'am. Please and thank you. BUT when i have a Dominant in my life, it feels very awkward to call another, by that name. To me it's kinda like well Your my Master and if i call him Master than do i need to get on my knees and give him a blow-job too, or kneel at his feet...etc etc...  So please tell me what your opinion is. 

(btw) this probably should have been posted in the general section, but most of the great people i know are usually here.



"This sad little lizard told me that he was a brontosaurus on his mother’s side. I did not laugh; people who boast of ancestry often have little else to sustain them. Humoring them costs nothing and adds to happiness in a world in which happiness is always in short supply. "

I try to keep this in mind.  If I am meeting someone at a function, party, whatever, and they want some sort of honorific used, I will use it.  It costs me nothing, and most likely I will never see the person again.  If my s-type chooses to call another d-type by an honorific, that is just fine.  I am only annoyed if a person INSISTS that my s-type use an honorific when he is uncomfortable doing so. 

Sometimes that is all a person has.  Why should I take that away.  When the person feels more comfortable with themselves and their life, they will move away from this need to have everyone address them with an honorific, until then, it may be the only thing holding their spine in place.


"Moving parts in rubbing contact require lubrication to avoid excessive wear. Honorifics and formal politeness provide lubrication where people rub together. Often the very young, the untraveled, the naive, the unsophisticated deplore these formalities as “empty,” “meaningless,” or “dishonest,” and scorn to use them. No matter how “pure” their motives, they thereby throw sand into machinery that does not work too well at best. "




tammystarm -> RE: To all subs; Calling another Dominant by Sir, Master or Lord...etc... (8/19/2009 2:17:39 PM)

Correct to well almost all in my opinion (which is certainly not mattering at the moment, smiles). I agree that if my Master wants me to address whomever in whatever fashion than that is exactly what i should do. It was my opinion however that it "feels" like it takes away from my Master to call anyone else by any title, unless of course its the grand poo-bah of a club etc etc.

Thanks everyone including that one (URRRRRRR). just curious




Phoenixpower -> RE: To all subs; Calling another Dominant by Sir, Master or Lord...etc... (8/19/2009 2:34:57 PM)

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ORIGINAL: lizi
I'm willing to give someone the benefit of the doubt and if they ask that I call them Sir, or why I'm not calling them Sir, I nicely explain that I reserve that title for a Dom that is connected to me personally. Many times I get the reply....oh a feisty one!! Bleah....
As if my explanation means I'm somehow 'putting up a fight' for him to take Dominance over me instead of simply explaining my position. Sheesh. Yes, it's a screening mechanism and a pretty useful one as it usually happens pretty early on.



Very well said, and I personally enjoy to put off the ones who think they get me to call them Sir straight away [:D]




beargonewild -> RE: To all subs; Calling another Dominant by Sir, Master or Lord...etc... (8/19/2009 2:49:53 PM)

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ORIGINAL: tammystarm

Correct to well almost all in my opinion (which is certainly not mattering at the moment, smiles).



Still think that anyone who doesn't serious take another's opinions into consideration needs a smack upside the head, especially when both sides are legit. That includes both sides of the kneel/whip/paddle etc.

eta: your opinions do matter and are valid....'nuff said.




GoddessImaginos -> RE: To all subs; Calling another Dominant by Sir, Master or Lord...etc... (8/19/2009 2:52:36 PM)

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ORIGINAL: beargonewild

quote:

ORIGINAL: tammystarm

Correct to well almost all in my opinion (which is certainly not mattering at the moment, smiles).



Still think that anyone who doesn't serious take another's opinions into consideration needs a smack upside the head, especially when both sides are legit. That includes both sides of the kneel/whip/paddle etc.

eta: your opinions do matter and are valid....'nuff said.



I am not a sub/slave, but I just had to say: ~*AGREED AGREED AGREED*~




beargonewild -> RE: To all subs; Calling another Dominant by Sir, Master or Lord...etc... (8/19/2009 2:57:06 PM)

Well GoddessImaginos......for some reason beyond mere mortal comprehension, I have this habit of seeing a person for being a person first and the identifying role as secondary. Bah I know...it's a human failing of mine which the root command program is too ingrained to be reprogrammed!!!!!




girlygurl -> RE: To all subs; Calling another Dominant by Sir, Master or Lord...etc... (8/19/2009 5:28:41 PM)

I call my Sir, Sir or Daddy. I correspond with several Domly types here on CM and elsewhere and I call them by name. I find being respectful of everyone is a good thing (except for those drip stains that are a waist of space) just had to get in somethin[8D]




tammystarm -> RE: To all subs; Calling another Dominant by Sir, Master or Lord...etc... (8/19/2009 6:24:41 PM)

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ORIGINAL: beargonewild

quote:

ORIGINAL: tammystarm

Correct to well almost all in my opinion (which is certainly not mattering at the moment, smiles).



Still think that anyone who doesn't serious take another's opinions into consideration needs a smack upside the head, especially when both sides are legit. That includes both sides of the kneel/whip/paddle etc.

eta: your opinions do matter and are valid....'nuff said.




ok WHY THE FUCK ARE YOU ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE DAMN FENCE BEAR!
and canada  which btw   remember a previous conversation..... maybe i should get an addy in case i leave the US  ;)




beargonewild -> RE: To all subs; Calling another Dominant by Sir, Master or Lord...etc... (8/19/2009 6:30:31 PM)

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ORIGINAL: tammystarm

quote:

ORIGINAL: beargonewild

quote:

ORIGINAL: tammystarm

Correct to well almost all in my opinion (which is certainly not mattering at the moment, smiles).



Still think that anyone who doesn't serious take another's opinions into consideration needs a smack upside the head, especially when both sides are legit. That includes both sides of the kneel/whip/paddle etc.

eta: your opinions do matter and are valid....'nuff said.




ok WHY THE FUCK ARE YOU ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE DAMN FENCE BEAR!
and canada  which btw   remember a previous conversation..... maybe i should get an addy in case i leave the US  ;)



I'm just saying that on taking another's opinions seriously has to apply to both parties and I meant that in a general sense and not to point at anyone specific.




tammystarm -> RE: To all subs; Calling another Dominant by Sir, Master or Lord...etc... (8/19/2009 6:35:33 PM)

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ORIGINAL: beargonewild

quote:

ORIGINAL: tammystarm

quote:

ORIGINAL: beargonewild

quote:

ORIGINAL: tammystarm

Correct to well almost all in my opinion (which is certainly not mattering at the moment, smiles).





Still think that anyone who doesn't serious take another's opinions into consideration needs a smack upside the head, especially when both sides are legit. That includes both sides of the kneel/whip/paddle etc.

eta: your opinions do matter and are valid....'nuff said.




ok WHY THE FUCK ARE YOU ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE DAMN FENCE BEAR!
and canada  which btw   remember a previous conversation..... maybe i should get an addy in case i leave the US  ;)



I'm just saying that on taking another's opinions seriously has to apply to both parties and I meant that in a general sense and not to point at anyone specific.





ooops let me make this a bit clearer fuzzywuzzy i was saying that i hate your bating for the other side.  if ya wasnt gay.................. but than again i think i maybe still attached





tammystarm -> RE: To all subs; Calling another Dominant by Sir, Master or Lord...etc... (8/19/2009 7:36:43 PM)

missssspell  oopps that was "batting for the other team"

please continue


(looking around for vp)




BKSir -> RE: To all subs; Calling another Dominant by Sir, Master or Lord...etc... (8/19/2009 7:45:01 PM)

Hell, I'm a D-type and I still refer to people as Sir/Ma'am/Mr. whatever/Miss whatever/etc all the time.  Like the OP said, good ol southern manners beaten into me from an early age. ;)  But, as far as S-types referring to me as "sir" or what have you, it actually drives me nuts. (Thankfully it's a short drive).  Unless one is MY pet/sub/whatever, then I view that person as just that, a person.  Another human on the same rung of the ladder as me, unless their own D-type has instructed them to refer to others that way.  Then, I can accept that as a valid reason.




tammystarm -> RE: To all subs; Calling another Dominant by Sir, Master or Lord...etc... (8/19/2009 8:04:54 PM)

Well peoples i called Master and He actually said He loved me again and was willing to talk!!!!!! (of course i think He was just giddy from buying a new playstation 3). I told Him about this thread, because He had asked me to start calling Doms by sir or master or whatever...... because that is what He wants. i explained how i thought it diminished His title to me. He said to think of it as He is with a capital M for Master and they are s for sir or m for master etc etc.


BUT anyway  im just saying that its getting better , my hell is slowly getting some rain.....etc etc  NOT out of the woods but......  :)!!!!!




DavanKael -> RE: To all subs; Calling another Dominant by Sir, Master or Lord...etc... (8/19/2009 8:08:51 PM)

I do not throw honourifics around nor will I tolerate them being thrown around with me.  These are earned and titles of intimacy and respect. 
  Davan
(The caveat being that I will address folks on here by their screen names and there are definitely those whose screen names have honourifics in them that I actually respect the person enough not to feel irked when addressing them as such...generally, if I don't wish to acknowledge a person's honourific in a screen name, I won't type their name)




tammystarm -> RE: To all subs; Calling another Dominant by Sir, Master or Lord...etc... (8/19/2009 8:10:23 PM)

this is for play parties, clubs etc btw......




BKSir -> RE: To all subs; Calling another Dominant by Sir, Master or Lord...etc... (8/19/2009 8:12:05 PM)

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ORIGINAL: DavanKael

I do not throw honourifics around nor will I tolerate them being thrown around with me.  These are earned and titles of intimacy and respect. 
Davan
(The caveat being that I will address folks on here by their screen names and there are definitely those whose screen names have honourifics in them that I actually respect the person enough not to feel irked when addressing them as such...generally, if I don't wish to acknowledge a person's honourific in a screen name, I won't type their name)


Fair enough. :)  Although, just BK is fine for me.  That's what I would have gone with, except for CM said "No, that's too short for a name here."  Silly new fangled interwebbermajiggy things and their modern number counting stuff. ;)




tammystarm -> RE: To all subs; Calling another Dominant by Sir, Master or Lord...etc... (8/19/2009 8:24:38 PM)

darling as if you hadnt heard this before but all i can think of is that flamed broiled .....................

sorry

should ya named yourself BK KING  lol

again sorry 




InvisibleBlack -> RE: To all subs; Calling another Dominant by Sir, Master or Lord...etc... (8/19/2009 8:30:06 PM)

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ORIGINAL: abrattyprincess

this is what i do. i call every Dom/me by their first name initially. however, if over time they show me they are worth the title of Sir or Madam i will start using that for them. i feel it is simply a sign of respect to someone who is definitely worth it. i don't just throw those titles around loosely and if they happen to disprove to me that they are worth the title then i will stop using it for them. right now i have a man in my life who i refer to as "my Sir" but we are not yet in a committed, serious relationship. if at some point we would be, then his title is changed to Master. imho, my Owner is not a Sir, he is my Master. Any man can be called a "sir" naturally just through manners or how you were brought up. and it can be a very nice title for someone coming from a submissive, but my OWNER requires a stronger, more powerful name from me. Make sense? The only exception to this would be if my Master would state otherwise.


This pretty much sums up my attitude. I don't expect everyone I meet to refer to me as 'Sir' or 'Master' or some honorific. If someone I meet is a sub and after some time our interaction develops into something more personal than an acquaintance, then something like 'Sir' seems to come along naturally. At the point where we're in an actual D/s relationship it then becomes something more intense - such as 'Master'.

This being said, if I were at an event or at someone's home where it was a D/s gathering, I would out of courtesy abide by the protocol - so if the protocol was for all subs present to call all Doms present 'Sir', I wouldn't suddenly object or lodge a complaint.




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