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RE: Rep. Frank lashes out at protester for Nazi remark - 8/19/2009 1:02:37 PM   
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No, you're wrong there, but again - that's another thread.

And I'll take your non-answer for an answer, it's understood.

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And the bullshit is in the bills, though that may be another thread.
That's a load of crap. There have been threads on here where a poster went through the supposed "scary" bits of the bill and posted the exact wording for all to read. Every one of the "scary" bits was debunked....yet somehow that doesn't seem to make any difference. Anyway, its all irrelevant if you ask me. Its just more of the same old shit from Congress & its paymasters.


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RE: Rep. Frank lashes out at protester for Nazi remark - 8/19/2009 2:25:51 PM   
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kill 'em all, let god sort them out.


Just another example of how hateful you liberals are.



Greedy is not hateful.

Just another example of judging the whole group based on the actions of some.


Come on boi.

You haven't read enough of my posts to know I'm one of the most liberal on here? 

That was meant as a poke at some of our conservative posters who have said similar things.

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RE: Rep. Frank lashes out at protester for Nazi remark - 8/19/2009 2:26:23 PM   
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RE: Rep. Frank lashes out at protester for Nazi remark - 8/19/2009 2:34:06 PM   
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LaRouche is a Democrat / Communist.

Its no surprise though that you and the Liberal media sources you adhere to would like to pass him off as a Conservative. No surprise at all, this is the kind of behavior people are learning to expect.

Anyone looking at the poster that woman in the article you linked to was carrying will see that it's straight off of the LaRouche website I linked to.

This is becoming so predictable I can almost call these things in my sleep...



No, actually LaRouche is a fucking whack job and I don't understand why we are talking about him.

I don't care where the woman got the picture of Obama from.

If you want to carry on an intelligent debate and try to have a serious discussion you do not show up with a poster like that and ask why Obama wants to create Nazi policies.

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RE: Rep. Frank lashes out at protester for Nazi remark - 8/19/2009 2:36:53 PM   
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Well, that's just fuckin' hateful.


Yes, but it's ok when liberals do it. 

Or so I keep getting told, so I figure what the hell, go with the flow.

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RE: Rep. Frank lashes out at protester for Nazi remark - 8/19/2009 6:32:47 PM   
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Ron, that is the part I don't understand the most. Having a great, well thought out, budgeted, pragmatic plan, I'd want more crazies to show up than head bobbers. My ability to stand up to 'crazy' challenges, addressing and (heres a crazy thought) showing how wrong they are(!) provides an example of my commitment and integrity. But they can't do that apparently can they? Instead they employ the Nazi reference, quoted from not only party leadership but 2 heart beats away from the Presidency, a 'shining' example of the party politic. ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth


How do you debate a situation where no one wants to listen, on either side? Let's take one of the most outrageous lies about this health care bill. I speak, of course, about the "government death panels" that are being shouted about.

The truth is, the bill proposes that once every five years, citizens over 65 can have a consultation with their doctor in order to discuss end of life options. This includes things like resuscitation from death, extrodinary measures to prolong life i.e. life support machinery etc.

But no one wants to take the truth and argue it. Yelling about death panels and illegal aliens getting free medical treatment and, my personal favorite, "mandated abortion" make for such good yelling points. I personally think the failing is on the part of the American people for tolerating this.

Yes, everyone has the right to shout nonsense at the top of their lungs....but calling it debate, discussion or any other constructive action is simply more nonsense.


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RE: Rep. Frank lashes out at protester for Nazi remark - 8/19/2009 7:59:13 PM   
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Well, that's just fuckin' hateful.


Yes, but it's ok when liberals do it. 

Or so I keep getting told, so I figure what the hell, go with the flow.



Naw, it's not alright for them either. Of course I don't always read their posts, so I can't say for sure.



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RE: Rep. Frank lashes out at protester for Nazi remark - 8/19/2009 8:18:29 PM   
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Yeah, I always thought these health care protesters were just evil commies trying to disrupt our American way of life.

I'm glad to see we are in agreement.

So, what do you think we should do to rid the the Republican Party of these communist infiltrators?



Oh, snap!

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RE: Rep. Frank lashes out at protester for Nazi remark - 8/20/2009 12:37:25 AM   
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I understand your point; however, and actually agree with some of it.  People are pissed off, and rightly so,  from one end of the spectrum to the other. They have severely underestimated the anger off the people. When the financials tanked and the bailouts were being discussed, they told people it would be Armageddon if they didn't bail them out. People told congress fuck those bankers. Basically we were told our economy would die without it. And people told them we don't care as long as that banker fuck dies then cool. Things cooled when Obama was elected because people believed him and thought he was going to fix things. Instead it's looking like business as usual. Just at breakneck speed.



I find it curious that when concerns about the health bill came up they resorted to spying.

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RE: Rep. Frank lashes out at protester for Nazi remark - 8/20/2009 3:36:18 AM   
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Status: offline 		House Democrats request detailed records from industry opposed to health legislation

Democrats on a House committee are seeking detailed financial records from dozens of large insurance companies, officials disclosed Tuesday, part of an investigation into "executive compensation and other business practices" in an industry opposed to President Barack Obama's plan to overhaul health care.

The request included records relating to compensation of highly paid employees, documents relating to companies' premium income and claims payments, and information on expenses stemming from any event held outside company facilities in the past 2 1/2 years.

The requests were issued at a time when Obama's health care proposal is under intense attack from Republicans and other critics, including the health insurance industry. Much of the opposition focuses on proposals for the government to sell insurance in competition with private carriers.

Among the documents requested were records relating to compensation paid to any company executive earning more than $500,000 in any year from 2003 to 2008.

Spokesmen for three large insurance companies, Aetna, UnitedHealth Group Inc., and WellPoint Inc., confirmed the firms had received the letters but declined comment.

http://abcnews.go.com/Business/WireStory?id=8361250&page=1



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RE: Rep. Frank lashes out at protester for Nazi remark - 8/20/2009 3:45:54 AM   
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(Newser Summary) – The conservative radio host who staged an interview with an armed protester near the president's town hall in Phoenix has long ties with hard-core fringe groups, reports Talking Points Memo. Ernest Hancock allied himself with a group called the Viper Militia in Arizona in the 1990s, many of whose members were convicted of a plot to blow up government buildings. He told TPM's Justin Elliott that he still believes the government cooked up the case, along with Waco.

http://www.newser.com/story/67236/organizer-of-fake-interview-linked-to-infamous-militia.html

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RE: Rep. Frank lashes out at protester for Nazi remark - 8/20/2009 3:51:09 AM   
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We're posting about LaRouche because you started a thread about Barney Frank screaming at a LaRouche member.




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No, actually LaRouche is a fucking whack job and I don't understand why we are talking about him.

I don't care where the woman got the picture of Obama from.

If you want to carry on an intelligent debate and try to have a serious discussion you do not show up with a poster like that and ask why Obama wants to create Nazi policies.



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RE: Rep. Frank lashes out at protester for Nazi remark - 8/20/2009 4:07:27 AM   
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Status: offline 		Health Care: Let the Majority Be Heard

The editors of the Wall Street Journal say that the public option in health care reform has been "sent to the death panel." Obama "concedes" the public option, reports the Financial Times. Even liberals seem to agree. The public option is "all but gone," writes Bob Herbert of the New York Times. The American Prospect's Mark Schmitt mourns its "likely death."

Nonsense. There is no reason to exaggerate the strength of the small tong of conservative Democrats and claque of obstructionist Republicans standing in the way of reform. Here's the reality:

There are a lot of talking heads out arguing that the "left" shouldn't be so extreme as to risk health care reform by insisting on the public option or the lifting of the absurd ban on negotiating lower drug prices. The reality is exactly the reverse. It is the handful of Blue Dogs and conservative Democrats in the House and Senate that are standing in the way of the majority in favor of a comprehensive plan. The question isn't whether the progressive majority is unreasonably resisting reform to save the public option. The question is whether a small minority of conservative Democrats will sabotage reform simply to stop the public option.

Offering a public plan as a choice to compete with the private insurance companies has continued strong support in polling. President Obama favors it. The Democratic leadership in both the House and the Senate support it. More importantly, a majority of legislators in the House and a broad majority of Democrats in the Senate will vote for it. Needless to say, the activist base of the party thinks it vital.

Read Full Story at huffingtonpost.com
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-l-borosage/health-care-let-the-major_b_262666.html

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RE: Rep. Frank lashes out at protester for Nazi remark - 8/20/2009 5:06:09 AM   
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We're posting about LaRouche because you started a thread about Barney Frank screaming at a LaRouche member.




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No, actually LaRouche is a fucking whack job and I don't understand why we are talking about him.

I don't care where the woman got the picture of Obama from.

If you want to carry on an intelligent debate and try to have a serious discussion you do not show up with a poster like that and ask why Obama wants to create Nazi policies.




And where did you find this fascinating bit of information?

It certainly wasn't in the article I posted.

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RE: Rep. Frank lashes out at protester for Nazi remark - 8/20/2009 5:28:20 AM   
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http://www.necn.com/Boston/NECN-Extra/2009/08/18/Rep-Frank-condemns-those/1250643022.html
the full vid, she mentions Larouche.
Dumbasses on both sides of the fence blaming each other, no big surprise there, (its all a conspiracy yanno!!!!!)
They believe the same bullshit just from different angles
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RE: Rep. Frank lashes out at protester for Nazi remark - 8/20/2009 6:45:19 AM   
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RML its in the washington post( like they are credible) but also here
http://www.necn.com/Boston/NECN-Extra/2009/08/18/Rep-Frank-condemns-those/1250643022.html
the full vid, she mentions Larouche.
Dumbasses on both sides of the fence blaming each other, no big surprise there, (its all a conspiracy yanno!!!!!)
They believe the same bullshit just from different angles
Lucy



I went back to the original video from my link and saw her LaRouche reference.

Doesn't really make any difference, as you said, if they are both saying the same lies.

I just caught up on the stories about it since then and see now that conversatives who previously defended this type of thing as the exercise of free speech are now trying to say it was never conservatives causing the problem at all but radical Democrats.

Hilarious.

This sums up my own feelings on all this nonsense:



Lyndon LaRouche, Hitler and the Health-Care Debate Atlantic Online



That clip of Barney Frank mocking a townhall protester who compared proposed health-care reforms to Nazism has been making the rounds on the Internet. Now, via Dave Weigel, it looks like the woman is a Lyndon LaRouche cult member, or at least a sympathizer. The relevance of this fact eludes me.

But John McCormack of the Weekly Standard, tagteaming with Michelle Malkin, says this is evidence that some of the vilest town hall protesters are Democrats, not conservatives: "No one disputes that LaRouchites are on the fringe -- but it's indisputable that they are fringe Democrats."

Well, no. It's actually quite disputable. LaRouche (whom I interviewed and profiled for the New Republic a few years ago, and who really doesn't like me) has never been recognized by the Democratic Party, which won't let him seat delegates at its conventions and has cited his "explicitly racist and anti-Semitic” views as a reason for the ban. 

I confess I don't know the political registration of the young woman in question, and I have neither the means nor the inclination to find out. But I think it's disingenuous for McCormack to refer to "Lyndon LaRouche Democrats" when the Democratic Party has done everything in its legal power to keep LaRouche and his wacky cult at pole's length.

But really, who cares either way? My sense is that when most people call attention to town hall protestors behaving like Nazis ("Heil Hitler") or calling Obama a Nazi ("Why do you continue to support a Nazi policy?"), they aren't trying to make the point that all Republicans are Nazis, or think Obama is a Nazi. I'm sure 99% of the townhall attendees are good and decent and honest people. But the remaining 1%, wherever they come from, are doing something extraordinarily ugly and harmful to the public discourse on health care.


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RE: Rep. Frank lashes out at protester for Nazi remark - 8/20/2009 6:45:26 AM   
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Thank you Lucy, you're a doll.

And good grief rml, if you bothered to follow your own thread you would know already. I posted a link to the full video and I wrote right by the link that I posted that the video established that she was a LaRouche person.

Here, here's a link to that, for crying out loud:

http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=2767374

Where's stef and her clue-by-four.


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ORIGINAL: Sanity


We're posting about LaRouche because you started a thread about Barney Frank screaming at a LaRouche member.




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No, actually LaRouche is a fucking whack job and I don't understand why we are talking about him.

I don't care where the woman got the picture of Obama from.

If you want to carry on an intelligent debate and try to have a serious discussion you do not show up with a poster like that and ask why Obama wants to create Nazi policies.




And where did you find this fascinating bit of information?

It certainly wasn't in the article I posted.



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RE: Rep. Frank lashes out at protester for Nazi remark - 8/20/2009 6:51:10 AM   
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LaRouche is a Leftist, occupying the same band of the political spectrum that you are. The crazies you keep ranting about are on your side of the aisle.

What's next for you, a thread about those nasty SEIU goons busting heads?


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RE: Rep. Frank lashes out at protester for Nazi remark - 8/20/2009 6:55:10 AM   
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Thank you Lucy, you're a doll.

And good grief rml, if you bothered to follow your own thread you would know already. I posted a link to the full video and I wrote right by the link that I posted that the video established that she was a LaRouche person.



Yes, I said I missed that.

I also said it doesn't matter.

Whether you have crazy conservatives spouting lies or crazy LaRouche followers spouting lies, they are still the same lies and the same tactics.



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RE: Rep. Frank lashes out at protester for Nazi remark - 8/20/2009 6:57:48 AM   
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LaRouche is a Leftist, occupying the same band of the political spectrum that you are. The crazies you keep ranting about are on your side of the aisle.



And have never received anything from my "side of the aisle" to endorse them or give them any credibility.

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