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ANRsub -> RE: Lockerbie bomber is let out to die at home (8/20/2009 12:18:21 PM)

The private plane routine is so that Libya doesn't "loose-face" with their crop of muslim fundies, little else can be done, and sure, if the government really wants to, they can provide him with morphine enough to dull the pain until it becomes the morphine that kills him.  If we REALLY wanted to see justice, we'd have executed him in some hideous, barbaric method, something ironic, worthy of the Romans in their heyday. I'd favor letting him get tossed into a pen of angry hogs, and have the pork do the work. How about if we just erased his country of origin from the map? I'd have no problems with that either. There is, unfortunately, no way we can kill him enough times, slowly, to make him atone for his crimes. and doing so even if we could wouldn't bring the souls of those that died back, and I know a family that lost someone on that flight.  Obviously I'm not in a forgiving mood, butI can see that his end in prison won't be any more vengance than his death in Libya.

ANRsub



Starbuck09 -> RE: Lockerbie bomber is let out to die at home (8/20/2009 12:22:46 PM)

You are beng rude. There is a difference between government an people Panda lest yowish to be held personally accountable for all of Mr Bush's actions. I am sure there are plenty tat think some decisions made by him were outrageous. That does'nt translate as what is wrong with you people.
Because if you don't show it and just ''know'' it that is no different to them. They know they're right in their hearts. You think they do these things because they believe they're wrong? You show you are better all the time if they use women s children as human shield you don't ever period. If they burn babies as they have been given western medicine you don't do the same to show how hardcore you are. It's no good talking the talk if you don't walk the walk.



Marc2b -> RE: Lockerbie bomber is let out to die at home (8/20/2009 12:30:20 PM)

Compassion is a good thing. It is a beautiful thing. I’m all for it – most of the time – particularly when there is genuine repentance (which, to be sure, can be difficult to ascertain). That does not appear to be the case here and besides, some crimes go beyond the pale. Giving him additional pain medication and making him as comfortable as he could be in his final days would have been more than enough compassion.



ThatDamnedPanda -> RE: Lockerbie bomber is let out to die at home (8/20/2009 12:32:50 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Starbuck09

You are beng rude.


Then take it however you choose. I stand by what I said, and i don't apologize for any offense anyone takes at it.


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ORIGINAL: Starbuck09
There is a difference between government an people Panda


There is? I thought the monarchy was just for show.


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ORIGINAL: Starbuck09
lest yowish to be held personally accountable for all of Mr Bush's actions. I am sure there are plenty tat think some decisions made by him were outrageous. That does'nt translate as what is wrong with you people.


Actually, it does. As an American citizen - even one who despised Bush, and wouldn't vote for him if he was running against Adolph Hitler - I own some measure of resonsibility and accountability for everything my government does, whether I apporve of it or not.

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ORIGINAL: Starbuck09
Because if you don't show it and just ''know'' it that is no different to them. They know they're right in their hearts. You think they do these things because they believe they're wrong? You show you are better all the time if they use women s children as human shield you don't ever period. If they burn babies as they have been given western medicine you don't do the same to show how hardcore you are. It's no good talking the talk if you don't walk the walk.


Again I ask, why? What's the point? What would be the purpose? What exactly are we proving by this, to whom are we proving it, and is it really worth the cost in terms of the pain and betrayal it's causing to the loved ones of the people this animal murdered?



NorthernGent -> RE: Lockerbie bomber is let out to die at home (8/20/2009 12:36:51 PM)

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ORIGINAL: kittinSol

Scotland's stance is that although the man showed no compassion to his victims, this shouldn't prevent the Scottish people from showing compassion and humanity to him.



Bollocks. The bloke was found guilty in a court of law.

The media - certain sections of the media that is - say the evidence shouldn't have held up.

Problem is that miscarriages of justice sell newspapers - particularly where related to terrorism.



Arpig -> RE: Lockerbie bomber is let out to die at home (8/20/2009 12:39:06 PM)

I have read through the thread and have come to a startling conclusion....I really don't care. I have no opinion on it,it makes no difference to me where he dies.



ANRsub -> RE: Lockerbie bomber is let out to die at home (8/20/2009 12:39:11 PM)

Then again, if it's a LIBYAN private plane, why not "Lockerbie" THEIR plane,  time it to blow up as it crossed into Libyan airspace, taking the investigative responsibilities out of the hands of the manufacturer, MI5/6, or any other western, (Read that as efficient & capable) investigative service, eliminating a whole lot of coverup. Let them see a flaming ball fall from the sky and wonder why.

ANRsub



Loki45 -> RE: Lockerbie bomber is let out to die at home (8/20/2009 12:40:41 PM)

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ORIGINAL: ANRsub
If we REALLY wanted to see justice, we'd have executed him in some hideous, barbaric method, something ironic, worthy of the Romans in their heyday. I'd favor letting him get tossed into a pen of angry hogs, and have the pork do the work. How about if we just erased his country of origin from the map? I'd have no problems with that either.


I like the way you think.



Starbuck09 -> RE: Lockerbie bomber is let out to die at home (8/20/2009 12:41:11 PM)

Fair enough Panda I stand by my opinion of it.
The monarchy is for many things though it has not needed to use it's powers for decades. It is essential in Britian as the army swears it's oath to the moarch not to the government so the army can't be politicised.
You do indeed owe a measure of responsibility the same as me but there is a difference between acknowledging that and being told there is something wrong with you as a people. In that case get your own affairs in order before giving such advice.
The point is if you don't act better then you are no better. If soldiers in our army dies because they adhere to the rules of war when the enemy does not then so be it. That's tough fucking tough but they die for their beliefs and don't let the enemy win by changing them into the savages they are fighting. Who you're proving it to as much as anyone is yourself. It's no good abandoning all your principle descending into degeneracy and then still bleat that we are better as we know we are. That path leads to a very dark destination. You want to be better? Then BE better don't say it you have to live it. And yes it is worth the families pain as terrible a cost as that is.



ThatDamnedPanda -> RE: Lockerbie bomber is let out to die at home (8/20/2009 12:49:08 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Starbuck09 It's no good abandoning all your principle descending into degeneracy and then still bleat that we are better as we know we are. That path leads to a very dark destination. You want to be better? Then BE better don't say it you have to live it.


I think there's a huge difference between abandoning all our principles and descending into degeneracy, and refusing to allow someone who slaughtered hundreds of innocent people for no reason at all to get out of prison, go home as a hero, and die in the comfort of his own home. I feel fairly confident that some middle ground could be found there, some compromise that kept him in prison where he belongs but doesn't require us to disband our governments, dress in animal skins, and sacrifice infants to the sun god.


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ORIGINAL: Starbuck09
And yes it is worth the families pain as terrible a cost as that is.


I can't help but find that utterly appalling, and this is exactly why i stand by what i said earlier regarding what is wrong you people. Because there is something seriously wrong with that. I'm stunned that any thinking, feeling human being could actually feel that way.



ANRsub -> RE: Lockerbie bomber is let out to die at home (8/20/2009 12:52:11 PM)

Yo, Star-waah, (Oooops, pardonez-moi, starbuck) Welcome to the real world,. Strength is what matters, not how much "better" you perceive yourself as being. The willingness to exercise your strength as a nation in furtherance of national will and well-being is all that matters. When a powerful nation looses that will to exercise that strength, then they effectively cease to BE strong. Your seemingly-rambling wail and rail make me wonder about your understanding and degree of interface with the real world, but then again, your lack of experience (you ARE only 23) may explain much of your lack of understanding.

ANRsub 



Starbuck09 -> RE: Lockerbie bomber is let out to die at home (8/20/2009 12:55:49 PM)

No but, you asked why we have to show we are better panda and that in my opinion is why. The nazis said their way of life was better than ours just saying it does not make it so you have to live it. I believe the penal system should be used for punishment. That jails should be unpleasant places and that sentences should be long. However I believe when nature passes judgemant and someone is dying anyway that compassion can be shown and the punishment alleviated for a month or so. If I thought keeping him in prison would be a deterrant I would leave him in there. But I do not it would. Hence I think compassion is a fair way of demonstarting our way of life is better at the cost in this case of the families legitimate anger and grief. Hs life now can only serve one purpose to demonstarte that the country he wounded so terribly is still better than a monster like him and that attacks or no we will not change for the likes of such a pissant.



Starbuck09 -> RE: Lockerbie bomber is let out to die at home (8/20/2009 1:00:13 PM)

Yes I agree might is right as you would know if you had read my posts Anrsub.  Live in the real world you fool? the world is where I will not give up my principles especially for the likes of this man. Exercising strength has nothing to do with this case however. Lack of experience? In what capacity, i'm younger than you hence you automatically know better? I understand the priniples of power in the world you complete moron obviously better than  you as this is clearly not a matter of power but principle. If Libya sprung him from jail I would think differently.



ANRsub -> RE: Lockerbie bomber is let out to die at home (8/20/2009 1:10:07 PM)

OOOHHHhhh, touched the "Spleen-vent" button did I? I'ts one of my many talents.

ANRsub



Politesub53 -> RE: Lockerbie bomber is let out to die at home (8/20/2009 1:10:24 PM)

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ORIGINAL: NorthernGent

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ORIGINAL: kittinSol

Scotland's stance is that although the man showed no compassion to his victims, this shouldn't prevent the Scottish people from showing compassion and humanity to him.



Bollocks. The bloke was found guilty in a court of law.

The media - certain sections of the media that is - say the evidence shouldn't have held up.

Problem is that miscarriages of justice sell newspapers - particularly where related to terrorism.


NG, Kittins comment mirrors that of the Scottish Minister on TV tonight. I dont see the relevance between your comment and Kittins. he isnt being released because he is innocent, he is being released because he is dying. Personally I dont think he should be but some of the families interviewed agree with todays announcement.



Starbuck09 -> RE: Lockerbie bomber is let out to die at home (8/20/2009 1:16:44 PM)

You realise Anrsub tht you initiated that response by venting your own sple? Do you understand what you are writing in your own posts, do your ''talents'' stretch that far?



Starbuck09 -> RE: Lockerbie bomber is let out to die at home (8/20/2009 1:20:53 PM)

Well I disagree with that Panda [I did'nt see the edit till just now].  Why are you stunned that I feel terribly sorry for the families but still think the price is worth paying? I feel the same sorrow for the families of those killed in our wars but I still feel the price is worth pating. Get of your high horse Panda it doesn't suit you and casting aspersions of wht is wrong with my people when you live in America is akin to throwing stones in glass houses. Get your own house in order before condemning a nation.



BitaTruble -> RE: Lockerbie bomber is let out to die at home (8/20/2009 1:23:27 PM)

It works out to a little over 10 days served for each person who died.

I can't even begin to express how I feel about that.



Starbuck09 -> RE: Lockerbie bomber is let out to die at home (8/20/2009 1:24:48 PM)

But you cannot make him live longer to punish him further. If there was a way to do so bita I would be for it.



Starbuck09 -> RE: Lockerbie bomber is let out to die at home (8/20/2009 1:48:27 PM)

I'm off now Panda i'll be back later mate.



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