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RE: Pain slut questions - 2/24/2006 12:14:53 PM   
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ORIGINAL: talmar

Was that at a public club? If so who was monitoring the play? The beating should have been stopped before it reached that point.


oh? Let's say for example that I take someone to a club they have never been to before. How would the Dungeon Master know for sure at what point the sub is about to pass out? Who is responsible? Me or the person monitoring the play? What if fainting is the goal? Taking someone to the point of losing consciousness by pain or pleasure.



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RE: Pain slut questions - 2/24/2006 12:17:49 PM   
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LOL am I reading the question wrong? Or just looking at it differently?

This is what I enjoy so much about your postings Irish, your ability to bring a different view to the discussion. Keep it up :)

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RE: Pain slut questions - 2/24/2006 12:22:29 PM   
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ORIGINAL: DragonNphoenix

Okay... I had started a thread on 'ask a submissive' board and it brought up a whole nother set of questions... So here I am..

I have come to terms with the fact that I am a pain slut... it took me almost a year to do this. I know at this point that the rush of the pain is almost orgasmic to me. I am okay with this. My question is this.... Does the need for said pain override the need to protect ones self?

Any replies would be most welcome... Thank you

1st Girl Phoenix

Forgive me if I am restating what may have already been said, but the way I look at it is if pup is unable to protect himself because he is enjoying it too much, than the responsibility falls on me to make sure that he IS protected. Whether it be from my hand or his own inability to safe word out.

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RE: Pain slut questions - 2/24/2006 1:55:43 PM   
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Status: offline 		It is a grey area to be sure. In a private scene the Dom or Domme would ultimately be responsible. In a public scene thats a tough call. I am leaning on saying the DM should be because the club could face serious legal issues if the sub gets badly injured. Of course the sub bears some responsibility as well for negotiating the scene.

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RE: Pain slut questions - 2/24/2006 2:00:59 PM   
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ORIGINAL: talmar

It is a grey area to be sure. In a private scene the Dom or Domme would ultimately be responsible. In a public scene thats a tough call. I am leaning on saying the DM should be because the club could face serious legal issues if the sub gets badly injured. Of course the sub bears some responsibility as well for negotiating the scene.

Some clubs have clear rules posted and make you sign waivers...that being said, if someone really wants to cause trouble because no one at the club stopped them from doing something they wanted, they can probably do so.

Still, how is a DM supposed to know when a scene goes from "consensual and fine" to "passed out"? There really aren't any clear signs- specially in a heavy pain scene.

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RE: Pain slut questions - 2/24/2006 3:25:55 PM   
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Most certainly. Pain is the body's cry to arms for a reason. That we may invert this pain and re-route it to be pleasurable does not remove the simple fact that in most cases it represents some form of damage.

It would stand to reason you may be addicted to being physically (and emotionally?) hurt, and like most addictions, they are not usually static. This is one of the reasons I discourage the pain slut in my slaves; the focus is to be on my pleasure, not their pain (which is inherently their pleasure, if so contrived). In addition, I tend to care for what is mine. I reserve physical and emotional pain for retribution. This may make me boring in the eyes of some, I know—but I want punishment to be exactly that.

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RE: Pain slut questions - 2/24/2006 6:38:22 PM   
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1st Girl Phoenix... in case you don't know... the more painful experiences you have and enjoy... the more you will love and want it... the more you get it... the more damaged you may become... it's a cycle that feeds upon itself...



Yes.. we are aware of this cycle. But like I have said... my Dragon will not let me go to the extremes that I would like to go when I am in that state. I know that there are things that I just love doing and feeling but.... we only do them occasionaly. We do not do them all the time. I know that this is so they have the same rush for me every time that we do them. The latest was the nipple piercing. This is something that I had wanted for sometime but he made me wait on it. Now that we have done this... I know that it will be a while before he does this again to me... no matter how much I beg and plead for it. I know that there is reason in this... it is just hard for me to accept sometimes. I know that if I was in the hands of a less caring Master I would likely be injured beyond repair. This thought scares me and in reassuring at the same time. Scares me because of what Might have happened and reassures me in what a caring Master I have.

I have fears of the time that the normal amount of pain that he gives me wont be enough... when I truely become addicted to the rush and the sexual release of the pain.

1st Girl Phoenix

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RE: Pain slut questions - 2/25/2006 3:40:51 AM   
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Status: offline 		My goal is to increase the pain level and push limits, but at the same time, I know when to hold back even if she is begging for more in the throes of ecstasy. That is for her safety, plus it keeps her wanting more from me the next time. She feels secure with me, but yet desires something that only I can give…more pain with someone who cares for her.

By the way, I did find DragonNphoenix’s post insightful and something to think about.


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RE: Pain slut questions - 2/27/2006 7:34:42 AM   
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~ laughing ~ so the 8 footer is a punishment tool? Damn good reason for good behavior, i say!!


I now have this immense longing to get my otaku little sub, and force them to do a DDR endless course on hard. If they're fured up, I could even tie their tails to the back bar to a)make it harder, and b) stop them from running off.

Hmmm. Thanks for that *evil grin*

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RE: Pain slut questions - 2/27/2006 10:41:44 AM   
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ORIGINAL: ownedgirlie


quote:

ORIGINAL: amayos

Most certainly. Pain is the body's cry to arms for a reason. That we may invert this pain and re-route it to be pleasurable does not remove the simple fact that in most cases it represents some form of damage.

It would stand to reason you may be addicted to being physically (and emotionally?) hurt, and like most addictions, they are not usually static. This is one of the reasons I discourage the pain slut in my slaves; the focus is to be on my pleasure, not their pain (which is inherently their pleasure, if so contrived). In addition, I tend to care for what is mine. I reserve physical and emotional pain for retribution. This may make me boring in the eyes of some, I know—but I want punishment to be exactly that.

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~ laughing ~ so the 8 footer is a punishment tool? Damn good reason for good behavior, i say!!


Precisely. I like to call it my "incentive program". :D

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RE: Pain slut questions - 2/27/2006 10:43:34 AM   
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Does the need for said pain override the need to protect ones self?


That's where the Master or the one in control comes in ... to make sure you remain protected no matter how much pain you endure or crave.

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RE: Pain slut questions - 2/27/2006 12:06:58 PM   
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Precisely. I like to call it my "incentive program". :D


Good Gawd.

Well, typically a slave will behave because it is inherent in her to want to please her Master. i suppose your....erm..."incentive" is for those times she forgets.

Nope. Never inviting my Master to this board. Just not gonna do it.

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RE: Pain slut questions - 3/8/2006 10:37:05 AM   
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My question is this.... Does the need for said pain override the need to protect ones self?



I think that this varies depending on the individual. I have what i consider to be an addictive personality. Years ago when i was addicted to and abusing drugs...yes, i used them to a degree in which i could cause harm to myself. I am a pain slut. Pain causes me to orgasm. Just thinking a/o talking about pain can cause me to orgasm. I have yet to put myself in a dangerous position while looking for that level of pain. I have yet to find that level of pain that would cause me to say "stop". I think that it is important to know that the Top/Dom/Master that you are playing with is not going to let you get into a headspace in which you would fail to protect yourself....and more importantly that they would not take you someplace unsafe.


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RE: Pain slut questions - 3/8/2006 1:07:54 PM   
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Okay... I had started a thread on 'ask a submissive' board and it brought up a whole nother set of questions... So here I am..

I have come to terms with the fact that I am a pain slut... it took me almost a year to do this. I know at this point that the rush of the pain is almost orgasmic to me. I am okay with this. My question is this.... Does the need for said pain override the need to protect ones self?

Any replies would be most welcome... Thank you

1st Girl Phoenix


I prefer "Adrenaline Junkie" myself...

I don't 'need pain' in the respect that I need the hurt. I like the neurochemical rush that I get from an activity that sets my biochemistry racing. Pain and things that scare me tend to do that. So, I don't feel that it's that I 'like pain' as much as it's 'I like the high'.

While my own safety is ultimately my responsibility, it is also the responsibility of my partner. Sometimes, we are like kids with candy; we sometimes don't know when enough is enough, for what ever reason. I expect to be pulled back by the Top if I'm putting myself in a harmful place because I like the rush.

Nothing should ever over-ride the need to play safely. If it does, I would encourage you to examine yourself and your partner(s) and try to figure out why this is happening if it is.

Kassie

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RE: Pain slut questions - 3/8/2006 1:18:29 PM   
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Status: offline 		I feel that I am lucky that I have a Master that monitors how I am doing. I would be seriously worried if I was unattached or if I had multiple play partners. I think that the best way for me to protect myself is to keep an open line of communication with my Dragon and do self checks to see how I am doing.

1st Girl Phoenix


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RE: Pain slut questions - 3/9/2006 12:55:09 AM   
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ORIGINAL: DragonNphoenix


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ORIGINAL: phoenix1

1st Girl Phoenix... in case you don't know... the more painful experiences you have and enjoy... the more you will love and want it... the more you get it... the more damaged you may become... it's a cycle that feeds upon itself...



Yes.. we are aware of this cycle. But like I have said... my Dragon will not let me go to the extremes that I would like to go when I am in that state. I know that there are things that I just love doing and feeling but.... we only do them occasionaly. We do not do them all the time. I know that this is so they have the same rush for me every time that we do them. The latest was the nipple piercing. This is something that I had wanted for sometime but he made me wait on it. Now that we have done this... I know that it will be a while before he does this again to me... no matter how much I beg and plead for it. I know that there is reason in this... it is just hard for me to accept sometimes. I know that if I was in the hands of a less caring Master I would likely be injured beyond repair. This thought scares me and in reassuring at the same time. Scares me because of what Might have happened and reassures me in what a caring Master I have.

I have fears of the time that the normal amount of pain that he gives me wont be enough... when I truely become addicted to the rush and the sexual release of the pain.

1st Girl Phoenix





I'm a pain slut and like to recieve more than my Master likes to give. He knows me and what I can take, more than I do. When he decides I'm ready, he will take me to the next level. If I dont protect myself, he will. I haven't felt the need to safeword yet, since he controls my pain level....and its always lower than the one I would choose.






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RE: Pain slut questions - 3/9/2006 1:06:12 AM   
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ORIGINAL: DragonNphoenix

Okay... I had started a thread on 'ask a submissive' board and it brought up a whole nother set of questions... So here I am..

I have come to terms with the fact that I am a pain slut... it took me almost a year to do this. I know at this point that the rush of the pain is almost orgasmic to me. I am okay with this. My question is this.... Does the need for said pain override the need to protect ones self?

Any replies would be most welcome... Thank you

1st Girl Phoenix




The answer is Yes. I have known of a submissive who would gladly have died in subspace; in their euphoria I've been told by a sub that they would have wordlessly allowed Me to cut them to the bone with a whip if that were My desire, and I know they were telling Me the truth.

That's the dangerous, dark side of BDSM.

Finding the Dom/Domme you can trust never to take you past the point of safety is the hard part.

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RE: Pain slut questions - 3/9/2006 2:19:39 AM   
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ORIGINAL: DragonNphoenix
I have come to terms with the fact that I am a pain slut... it took me almost a year to do this. I know at this point that the rush of the pain is almost orgasmic to me. I am okay with this. My question is this.... Does the need for said pain override the need to protect ones self?


Firstly let Me start by saying well done for the self realisation, I know from experiance that actually comming to terms with something is one of the hardest things to do.

Now on to your question...................mmm...........OK I know and have known those from both side of the coin, most of the truly intense pain sluts I know are neither submissive nor have any wish to be Owned so travel the circuit for a heavy arm or two, now as far as there safety goes I know that they only play in a public place and after asking why the response was informative, they see it as a safe haven, if its a public play space the chances of them actually being abused are slim as the Hitter ((shall we say)) has every eye on them and that usually curbs bad behavior.

submissives that like pain on the other hand still take the time to try and find an Owner that for want of better wording "suits there needs" these are the ones I have observed that travel from one to the other trying to fullfil there desirses only to loose sense of it and at some point will be abused due to the lost will factor, at times because it is a battle of wills with the Dom/me these submissives either turn switch because they argue so forth rightly they start to question there place within the lifestyle or just simply shut down withdraw into a dark place and thats when depresion takes a hold, now this one is unfortunate as they then IME wander aimlesly around always seeking but never being fullfilled and then retreating to there dark place to find solice within silence.

But after saying this there are those that find ((dare I say it)) the One that can deliver a mixture of Control and pain and that as they say is that.

So at the end of the day the way you crave but handle it becomes another way of life, there will be times that you wish "more" and times you "purrrrrrrrrr" but alas there will enivetably be bad times.

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RE: Pain slut questions - 3/9/2006 10:22:39 AM   
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I truely believe that I am one of the lucky ones. My Master, My Dragon, is a sadist, so he has no problems giving me the pain that I crave. But!! He is also very trained and experienced. He knows how to control his desires and helps me control mine.

But... I am very aware of were I could have ended up. And that is very scarey.

1st Girl Phoenix


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RE: Pain slut questions - 3/9/2006 10:31:49 AM   
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I prefer "Adrenaline Junkie" myself...



Well articulated {your whole post} - We think alike. I find it extremely stimulating while held in the grasp of the unknown.


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