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Mercnbeth -> RE: Our President documents his achievements (8/31/2009 11:15:04 AM)

Some more success as well as an answer to where some of that 'Economic Stimulus' money is being used.

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General Motors said on Sunday it has agreed to set up a light commercial vehicle production venture with major Chinese automaker FAW Group, with total investment of 2 billion yuan ($293 million).
STIMULUS MONEY SPENDING

Good thing we didn't let GM fail. FAW would have had to do business with one of those 'evil', non-bankrupt companies like Ford! Who knows, maybe by not getting this deal Ford will 'succeed' at failing and qualify for some government bail out as a reward so they can take advantage of the next joint venture opportunity.

Surely this is another Administration accomplishment. We've extended the unemployment benefits for laid off US auto workers, while funding a factory in China. Think this will help out the US job market?

Remember - The parent company and largest shareholder of GM is whom? Why it's USA! Funding by the US Taxpayer!

$.80 / share!




tazzygirl -> RE: Our President documents his achievements (8/31/2009 4:43:57 PM)

I thought this deserved to be mentioned.

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Banks' bailout turns a profit
15 percent return calculated in year on taxpayer funds
Monday, August 31, 2009
By Zachery Kouwe, The New York Times
Nearly a year after the federal rescue of the nation's biggest banks, taxpayers have begun seeing profits from the hundreds of billions of dollars in aid that many critics thought might never be seen again.

The profits, collected from eight of the biggest banks that have fully repaid their obligations to the government, come to about $4 billion, or the equivalent of about 15 percent annually, according to calculations compiled for The New York Times.

That does not include the roughly $35 million the government has earned from 14 smaller banks that have paid back their loans.

These early returns are by no means a full accounting of the huge financial rescue undertaken by the federal government last year to stabilize teetering banks and other companies.

The government still faces potentially huge long-term losses from its bailouts of the insurance giant American International Group, the mortgage companies Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, and the automakers General Motors and Chrysler. The Treasury Department could also take a hit from its guarantees on billions of dollars of toxic mortgages.

But the mere hint of bailout profits for the nearly year-old Troubled Asset Relief Program has been received as a welcome surprise. It has also spurred hopes that the government could soon get out of the banking business.

"The taxpayers want their money back, and they want the government out of our banking system," Rep. Jeb Hensarling, R-Texas, a member of the Congressional Oversight Panel examining TARP, said in an interview.

Profits were hardly high on the list of government priorities in October, when a financial panic was in full swing and the Treasury Department started spending roughly $240 billion to buy preferred shares from hundreds of banks that were facing huge potential losses from troubled mortgages. Bank stocks began teetering after Lehman Brothers collapsed and the government rescued AIG, and fear gripped the financial industry around the world.

American taxpayers were told they would eventually make a modest return from these investments, including a 5 percent quarterly dividend on the banks' preferred shares and warrants to buy stock in the banks at a set price over 10 years.

But critics at the time warned that taxpayers might not see any profits and in fact could lose much of the investment if the assets they were buying turned out to be worthless over time.

As Congress debated the bailout bill last September that would authorize the Treasury Department to spend up to $700 billion to stem the financial crisis, Rep. Mac Thornberry, R-Texas, said: "Seven hundred billion dollars of taxpayer money should not be used as a hopeful experiment."

So far, that experiment is more than paying off. The government has taken profits of about $1.4 billion on its investment in Goldman, $1.3 billion on Morgan and $414 million on American Express. The five other banks that repaid the government -- Northern Trust, Bank of New York Mellon, State Street, U.S. Bancorp and BB&T -- each brought in between $100 million and $334 million in profit.

The government bought shares in these and many other financial companies last fall, when sinking confidence among investors pushed down many bank stocks to just a few dollars a share. As the banks strengthened and became profitable, the government authorized them to pay back the preferred stock, which had been paying quarterly dividends since October.

But the real profit came as banks were permitted to buy back the so-called warrants, whose low fixed price provided a windfall for the government as the shares of the companies soared.

American taxpayers could still collect additional profits on their investments in two other big banks that have repaid their preferred stock but not their warrants: JPMorgan Chase and Capital One Financial. They are expected to yield over $3.1 billion in gains for the Treasury in the next month or so, although the full tally will depend on how much they will pay to buy back their warrants.

And the government is owed about $6.2 billion in interest payments from banks that have not yet repaid their federal money.

But all the profits taxpayers have won could still be wiped out by two deeply troubled institutions. Both Citigroup and Bank of America are still holding mortgages and other loans that were once worth billions of dollars but whose revised values are uncertain. If they prove "toxic" because they cannot attract buyers, they could leave large holes in the banks' balance sheets.

Neither bank is ready to repay its bailout money anytime soon.

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/09243/994432-84.stm




SpinnerofTales -> RE: Our President documents his achievements (8/31/2009 6:25:07 PM)

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I thought this deserved to be mentioned.ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

I thought this deserved to be mentioned.

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Banks' bailout turns a profit
15 percent return calculated in year on taxpayer funds
Monday, August 31, 2009
By Zachery Kouwe, The New York Times



I'm not optomistic. I'm just gonna sit back and let the spin begin.





tazzygirl -> RE: Our President documents his achievements (8/31/2009 6:39:09 PM)

I agree, too many variables still left in play. But, a good start at least.




SpinnerofTales -> RE: Our President documents his achievements (8/31/2009 8:27:11 PM)

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I agree, too many variables still left in play. But, a good start at least.
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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

I agree, too many variables still left in play. But, a good start at least.


You misunderstand, tazzy...what I'm not optimistic about is that the conservatives are going to give any credit to this administration for anything at any time. Let's face it. Obama could walk on water and some people around here, who shall remain nameless, would jump up and down screaming about how he left footprints on the lake.





TheHeretic -> RE: Our President documents his achievements (8/31/2009 8:51:40 PM)

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ORIGINAL: SpinnerofTales
Obama could walk on water and some people around here, who shall remain nameless, would jump up and down screaming about how he left footprints on the lake.



And they'd promptly be accused of a racist attack by others around here, because there is apparently a stereotype about blacks and swimming. 




Mercnbeth -> RE: Our President documents his achievements (9/1/2009 7:49:25 AM)

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I thought this deserved to be mentioned.

tazzy,
You realize how the majority of these profits occurred? People in my circle of friends contributed, so I have some first hand knowledge.

You know all those folks who were upside-down on their mortgages and got foreclosed upon? Well, it hasn't had the media coverage, but they were either kicked out of their properties or "best-case" the home-owners became home-renters.

These were non-performing assets on the Banks' books; the government (your taxes) bought the 'bad assests'. Without the bad assets the bank stocks went up. Makes sense right? But what happened to the houses? They were sold to speculators.

Once the properties were 'de-valued' whatever comes in is "profit". They sold them to speculators, after the Civil War the term 'carpetbagger' was used to describe the people who took advantage of the depressed property values and bought assets at below market prices when the sellers had no other choice.

Yes, these 'speculators' purchased assets and the banks made money to pay back the government at a profit. But what of the homeowners? Ironic that their taxes helped the Banks survive and the solution was the lose of their property. Yes the Banks profited, yes the government made money, yes some of my friends now own properties purchased at below market prices, with renters in place covering the properties 'nut'. My friends were already wealthy and any uptick in the RE market will make them more-so. Many of the renters will never own a house again. Noteworthy Administration accomplishment?

You'll have to explain how this Administration accomplishment helps out the general public, and/or the people who lost their homes to foreclosure?

Yes - this is a great accomplishment benefiting the Banking Industry and wealthy investors. I find it consistent with the other accomplishments of this Administration to date; consistent with the beneficiaries of the orginal Bush Stimulus and Obama's $767 Billion of "Bush II Stimulus" program.




Sanity -> RE: Our President documents his achievements (9/1/2009 8:01:41 AM)


Predictable. The fickle winds which guide Obama's "leadership" have changed course yet again:


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Pentagon worried about Obama's commitment to Afghanistan

...However, administration officials said that amid rising violence and casualties, polls that show a majority of Americans now think the war in Afghanistan isn't worth fighting. With tough battles ahead on health care, the budget and other issues, Vice President Joe Biden and other officials are increasingly anxious about how the American public would respond to sending additional troops.

The officials, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because they weren't authorized to talk to the media, said Biden has argued that without sustained support from the American people, the U.S. can't make the long-term commitment that would be needed to stabilize Afghanistan and dismantle al Qaida. Biden's office declined to comment.

"I think they (the Obama administration) thought this would be more popular and easier," a senior Pentagon official said. "We are not getting a Bush-like commitment to this war."

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/227/story/74649.html





Mercnbeth -> RE: Our President documents his achievements (9/1/2009 8:18:39 AM)

So now Biden is requiring "public support" as a condition of ongoing war? What happened to integrity and commitment to a 'good war'?

I see a dilemma approaching. All those war mongers who support Obama's escalation in Afghanistan and point to it as a campaign promise fulfilled may get whiplash reversing their opinion to meet current administration policy, and go into their 'Obama The Peacemaker' playbook. Of course that will be risky, becuase as they've been saying; "would you rather fight them there or on our shores?" When/if it comes to our shores, how will they blame Bush or the Republicans this time? They better start working on that.

Seriously, does anyone see any projecting out thought process going on regarding any action or atttempted action by this Adminstration? Seems that there is a big ego involved who expected unquestioned loyalty and a sheep-like following. I think the worst thing for this Administration is that there is no obstructionary vote possible for anything they want to do. That takes away their biggest campaign strategy that worked to their advantage - blaming someone else.

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"I think they (the Obama administration) thought this would be more popular and easier,"


"More Popular & Easier" Obama Administration motto?




FirmhandKY -> RE: Our President documents his achievements (9/1/2009 3:20:42 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth

So now Biden is requiring "public support" as a condition of ongoing war? What happened to integrity and commitment to a 'good war'?

I see a dilemma approaching. All those war mongers who support Obama's escalation in Afghanistan and point to it as a campaign promise fulfilled may get whiplash reversing their opinion to meet current administration policy, and go into their 'Obama The Peacemaker' playbook. Of course that will be risky, becuase as they've been saying; "would you rather fight them there or on our shores?" When/if it comes to our shores, how will they blame Bush or the Republicans this time? They better start working on that.

Seriously, does anyone see any projecting out thought process going on regarding any action or atttempted action by this Adminstration? Seems that there is a big ego involved who expected unquestioned loyalty and a sheep-like following. I think the worst thing for this Administration is that there is no obstructionary vote possible for anything they want to do. That takes away their biggest campaign strategy that worked to their advantage - blaming someone else.

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"I think they (the Obama administration) thought this would be more popular and easier,"


"More Popular & Easier" Obama Administration motto?

Merc,

I'm coming more and more to the conviction that the Obama Administration really has no plans of any kind. I'm even starting to think that his winning the Presidency was more of a surprise than anything else, and now they are struggling to figure out how to really govern.

Alinsky techniques are about destroying the powerful of the current order.

What the hell do you do when you are the powerful of the current order?

Firm




TheHeretic -> RE: Our President documents his achievements (9/1/2009 7:40:46 PM)

Merc, Firm, I hate to throw another monkey wrench in here, but what happens if Iraq deteriorates to the point that the gov't there asks us to slow the withdrawal and return to the cities?  Is such a scenario all that far-fetched?  Iraq is still the mess we own, after all.

It would be a helluva thing if President Obama wound up retreating from the war he promised us, to fight the one he ran in opposition to.




FirmhandKY -> RE: Our President documents his achievements (9/1/2009 9:49:01 PM)


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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

Merc, Firm, I hate to throw another monkey wrench in here, but what happens if Iraq deteriorates to the point that the gov't there asks us to slow the withdrawal and return to the cities?  Is such a scenario all that far-fetched?  Iraq is still the mess we own, after all.

It would be a helluva thing if President Obama wound up retreating from the war he promised us, to fight the one he ran in opposition to.

You think that would confuse the anti-war left?

What would they protest?

It would be sadly ironic.

Firm




rulemylife -> RE: Our President documents his achievements (9/2/2009 12:41:56 AM)

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ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY

You think that would confuse the anti-war left?


Does that mean the right is pro-war?

Because I seem to recall a few complaining of sending more troops to Afghanistan.

Or is it just anti-anything Obama does?




Mercnbeth -> RE: Our President documents his achievements (9/3/2009 8:32:27 AM)

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ORIGINAL: relief
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ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY
You think that would confuse the anti-war left?

Does that mean the right is pro-war?
Because I seem to recall a few complaining of sending more troops to Afghanistan.
Or is it just anti-anything Obama does?

It means that there is an ability to have a personal opinion outside party dogma. A concept that doesn't occur when campaigning against war and escalating it after being in office. Political schizophrenia is a function of strict adherence to party, or even philosophic dogma.

When/if Obama does anything consistent with his campaign rhetoric perhaps the scrutiny will subside. The damning fact is that all criticism of the Administration sounds eerily similar to his own campaign rhetoric. Were he running his campaign now, he'd be making speeches against exactly what is occurring in Washington.

Why blame those documenting these results? Shouldn't you be equally critical of the cause?




tazzygirl -> RE: Our President documents his achievements (9/3/2009 9:48:23 AM)

yes, Merc, thank you for assuming i dont understand.

and if it had been my decision, as well as many people i know, the industry would have been allowed to fold. it was always a case of the rich getting richer, then whining about how much money they might lose... from their profit margin.

as far as your following comment....

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Many of the renters will never own a house again.


.... dont forget, many of them never would have owned a house to begin with. to them, they lost nothing, except the moving fee.

now while the economy is shaking to regain its feet, and corporations are trying to regain their good names, the american public, at least the lower half of us peons, have noticed very few changes, unless we happened to work for one of the companies whining about losing profit and those closing their doors, after paying off the management... or they lost a home... in which they simply moved into an apartment.

while there is no luxury is being poor, there is the comfort of knowing there isnt much more anyone can take from you.




tiemeupalso -> RE: Our President documents his achievements (9/3/2009 11:26:22 AM)

this may sound a little simplistic but if they had taken that 957 billion and paid it out in salaries to hire 19,140,000 workers(yes thats 19 million)to redo the infrastructure od the USA they could have paid those 19 mil people 40 k a year and had 191.400,000 for materials and such.those 19 mil people would have spent the money and the economy would have been back on its feet and those big businesses with their CEOs and golden parachutes would have to either go under or figure out that screwing the people dont pay off in the long run!!!!!!!!




FirmhandKY -> RE: Our President documents his achievements (9/3/2009 11:36:21 AM)


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ORIGINAL: rulemylife

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ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY

You think that would confuse the anti-war left?


Does that mean the right is pro-war?

Because I seem to recall a few complaining of sending more troops to Afghanistan.

Or is it just anti-anything Obama does?

Sensitive, aren't we?

How was my comment a dig at Obama? It was actual at dig at the part of the left that railed against either war. My question was whether or not they would display the same amount of ... excitment ... if the wars were being run by someone that they considered a fellow traveler.

And, for your information, there is an anti-war left, a pro-war left, an anti-war right, and a pro-war right.

And "pro-war" is specific to these two wars, not "wars" as in they would support any war (the bloodthirsty devils), but that they support these wars due to the reasons behind them, and the consequences for not successfully prosecuting them.

(Had to really define my terms, otherwise "war-monger" would have hit the threads next.)


Firm




SpinnerofTales -> RE: Our President documents his achievements (9/3/2009 1:06:22 PM)

And, for your information, there is an anti-war left, a pro-war left, an anti-war right, and a pro-war right.

And "pro-war" is specific to these two wars, not "wars" as in they would support any war (the bloodthirsty devils), but that they support these wars due to the reasons behind them, and the consequences for not successfully prosecuting them.
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You left out my group. I'm in the "I thought going into Afghanastan to actually capture and bring back Bin Laden (dead or alive) was a good idea. It seemed that, since he was the mastermind who was behind the actual attack, it made sense to let him know we didn't appreciate it." group.

However, it seems we have forgotten all about Bin Laden and are now doing the millitary equivalant of jerking off and tap dancing.

To me it doesn't matter if it's a democrat or a republican prosocuting these wars. I'm just ashamed that we're doing it so incompently.


How's that for a group?




Mercnbeth -> RE: Our President documents his achievements (9/4/2009 10:12:54 AM)

Umenployment rate rises to 26 year high to 9.70%

How's that bail out working for the auto industry and other factory workers?
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Manufacturing employment fell by 63,000


Banks and insurance companies got a lot of money - they MUST be hiring!
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The service-providing sector purged 80,000



If you haven't already done so pick up some gold.
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Gold prices hit a six-month high on Thursday, approaching the $1,000 a troy ounce mark for the fifth time in two years, as wary investors pulled back from equities


End of September through October will be critical for the markets. When Congress gets back in session and they start advocating for yet more deficit government spending for their special interests, investors will go into a big Bear slumber. Add any uptick in oil prices, which may come without any 'flash-point' of war or terrorist attack as the value of the dollar decreases compared to other world currencies, and it will make a perfect storm of economic devastation.




FirmhandKY -> RE: Our President documents his achievements (9/5/2009 7:29:46 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth

End of September through October will be critical for the markets. When Congress gets back in session and they start advocating for yet more deficit government spending for their special interests, investors will go into a big Bear slumber. Add any uptick in oil prices, which may come without any 'flash-point' of war or terrorist attack as the value of the dollar decreases compared to other world currencies, and it will make a perfect storm of economic devastation.


Roubini: "U-shaped" recovery is possible
Fri Sep 4, 2009 10:27am EDT

CERNOBBIO, Italy (Reuters) - Nouriel Roubini, a leading economist who predicted the scale of global financial troubles, said a U-shaped recovery is possible, with leading economies undeperforming perhaps for 3 years.

He said there is also an increasing risk of a "double-dip" scenario, however.

"I believe that the basic scenario is going to be one of a U-shaped economic recovery where growth is going to remain below trend ... especially for the advanced economies, for at least 2 or 3 years," he said at a news conference here.

"Within that U scenario I also see a small probability, but a rising probability, that if we don't get the exit strategy right we could end up with a relapse in growth ... a double-dip recession," he added.



Firm




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