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RE: When your property already carries a mark - 8/25/2009 4:36:44 AM

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my experience with a pre-owned slave is that, if its original owner is not dead, then the slave is probably not worth a fuck. that has been my experience.

A bit like second hand tv's the remote never works properly, its always a bit fuzzy...but wait? Aren't slaves human beings? Or do we apply it to all, we are all worth nothing post relationship, therefore became useless when we were about 10.

See my experience is that people who do not treat others as people aren't worth much.

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RE: When your property already carries a mark - 8/25/2009 4:48:48 AM

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my experience with a pre-owned slave is that, if its original owner is not dead, then the slave is probably not worth a fuck. that has been my experience.

Is that because you're not confident of being able to make them feel owned if they've felt real ownership, or something else?

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RE: When your property already carries a mark - 8/25/2009 4:52:49 AM

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I wear the mark of my former owner and wear it proudly even though we are no longer together. It signifies a part of my life, part of my past both good and bad. We specifically didn't get his name on me, because we thought that was bad moojo. (lol) There are times where I have gone to formal functions and been required to cover my tattoos (all of which where obtained to signfy something in my life) and I do so with make-up specifically designed to cover tattoos. Those that come into my life have no expectations of being my first owner - why should they be upset about me bearing a former owners mark? As Merc so elequeqenty stated we all wear marks of our former relatioship some are just more visible than others.

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RE: When your property already carries a mark - 8/25/2009 4:59:20 AM

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Nobody comes into a relationship without 'marks'. Some are visible, some hidden. It's easy to cover up the visible ones, but commonly it is the hidden ones which have a bigger impact when they are disclosed.

Nice. I like

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RE: When your property already carries a mark - 8/25/2009 5:07:36 AM

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my experience with a pre-owned slave is that, if its original owner is not dead, then the slave is probably not worth a fuck. that has been my experience.

That is not my experience. Or, more accurately, it can be the case, but often isn't.

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ORIGINAL: Apocalypso

Is that because you're not confident of being able to make them feel owned if they've felt real ownership, or something else?

My thoughts exactly. Someone without the confidence, experience and ability to deal with it is bound to feel intimidated.

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RE: When your property already carries a mark - 8/25/2009 5:51:59 AM

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You should probably look into why you seem to attract those kinds of slaves.

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my experience with a pre-owned slave is that, if its original owner is not dead, then the slave is probably not worth a fuck. that has been my experience.

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RE: When your property already carries a mark - 8/25/2009 5:58:59 AM

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ORIGINAL: masterlink65
my experience with a pre-owned slave is that, if its original owner is not dead, then the slave is probably not worth a fuck. that has been my experience.

So tell me, do you expect that you are the 1st owner that a submissive or slave has ever had? Do you expect to be the 1st lover or relationship that that person has had? The reality is unless your a virgin who has NEVER had a relationship before you carry someone kind of mark, perhaps not a visible one. To me I would be more worried about why I expect such things and if it is realistic to.

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RE: When your property already carries a mark - 8/25/2009 6:06:29 AM

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Everyone has baggage, a mark is just a physical reminder of that baggage. If someone is so insecure that they would have a huge hangup about a visible symbol that the girl had a life before He came along then I suggest He is too insecure to be on the D side of a Dynamic! Suc a person needs to sort his shit out and grow up.

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RE: When your property already carries a mark - 8/25/2009 8:19:44 AM

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To my SO its just a scar like any other, doesnt bother Him.

Its in my past not my future.

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RE: When your property already carries a mark - 8/25/2009 8:34:46 AM

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ORIGINAL: masterlink65

my experience with a pre-owned slave is that, if its original owner is not dead, then the slave is probably not worth a fuck. that has been my experience.

Seems to me you have not chosen slaves wisely if this has been your experience. Perhaps more due diligence and a refined selection process would benefit you.

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RE: When your property already carries a mark - 8/25/2009 9:20:17 AM

masterlink65

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to all. i have no self esteem issues. or what have you's that every one is poking at. the problem is. most times i have found the pre owned slave has been full of shit, simple as that, that is why i wrote it as simple as that. 12 years experience. BS.... example last slave to come here. knocks on my door with a lit cigarette, never mentioned he smoked 2 packs a day, didnt think it would be a problem. then opens the bag and opens a beer, 2 pm afternoon, opens a beer, didnt ask. is this the behavior of a trained slave? a once owned slave. if so then all you people asking me what my problem is, need to go back to your 101 classes. i am perfectly capable of training a slave. the conditions are too severe for most and they do not last the night. a couple have.

if a slave had been owned for 12 years i would expect it to have some sort of sniff as to what the hell would be expected of it. and none of you would? no expectation that the slave might actually have a fraction of what it said it was.

maybe you people are shopping for slaves in a different place than i am.

where are you getting these high quality slaves that i am seeking? please point me in the right direction if my line of sight is so far off.

no one had a word to say about,, why should it bother you about the mark unless you have your own short comings.

my alpha slave was never owned, but he was used quite frequently as a sub at many hellfire events as well as inferno. did that prepare it for slavery?

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RE: When your property already carries a mark - 8/25/2009 1:11:42 PM

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As a Dom/me, if a new property is collared by you and carries a mark from a former owner, what are your feelings on this?

We're -all- marked by our encounters and experiences. It just so happens that this mark is on the outside.

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Are you tempted or do you require that s/he have it covered up?

Heck no. Of course, I might have to get creative if the servant has a LOT of body work and not a lot of space for -my- mark... but heck, anything worth doing has some measure of challenge, right?

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Does it squick you when you see it?

Why would it? The person is now in my home, and in my collar. Why would it bother me that xhe's had experiences prior to me?

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Does it generally make your desire to mark your property stronger whereas before you may never have done?

I typically choose to mark in some manner, if the servant is going to be in my collar and isn't just a trainee with us, but how depends on the servant, so it wouldn't change much for me on this front. Just like servants who come marked, a servant with us will, in some way, be marked by the experience, whether or not we make that mark a permanent inscription on hir flesh -- so all of the criteria that go into making a decision about visible markings would certainly be part of the discussion, but whether or not xhe came to us marked wouldn't be anything more than a logistical issue.

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Do certain locations make that worse?

No, unless, as I said, the person has a lot of markings and there isn't a lot of flesh left for the piece I might want to do -- so then it just requires a bit more creativity.

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How *does* this issue affect you?

Mostly it just requires me to occasionally have to put a little more thought into how things go along. Other than that, well, if the experiences in a previous existence were traumatic for one of my servants, and the marking was too much of a reminder and exacerbated the trauma, I might want to consider having the old marking re-worked into something that wouldn't trigger such an intense reaction -- but really, I can't think of much else that would affect me negatively.

On the other hand, having a servant who had been marked by a previous keeper would likely indicate that xhe'd been a valued servant, and frankly, I like to have people around me who excel and who strive -- so I tend to look at it as a mark of experience and value.

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RE: When your property already carries a mark - 8/25/2009 2:12:21 PM

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I lookm upon marks both visible and invisible to be unique characteristics which adds to that person and doesn't subtract. If I was to have a sub who wore a tattoo with ties to a former, then so be it. That mark to them represented something which was important to them at that time. I place a higher importance to what is important in the relationship which concerns US and not the past. A tattoo only has importance to the person wearing the ink and then if it is also has a connection to another person. If and only of I desire a tattoo for me and mine, it will be solely significant to us as a couple and to us as individuals.

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RE: When your property already carries a mark - 8/25/2009 5:25:10 PM

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ORIGINAL: SweetNika

ORIGINAL: masterlink65
my experience with a pre-owned slave is that, if its original owner is not dead, then the slave is probably not worth a fuck. that has been my experience.

So tell me, do you expect that you are the 1st owner that a submissive or slave has ever had? Do you expect to be the 1st lover or relationship that that person has had? The reality is unless your a virgin who has NEVER had a relationship before you carry someone kind of mark, perhaps not a visible one. To me I would be more worried about why I expect such things and if it is realistic to.

I had to chuckle when I read this response.. I suspect that more than a few newer Dominants actually are seeking a sub/slave who is virgin (never been owned or collared in any way). Yep there are always a few about just like there are a few sexual virgins but I wouldn't hold my breath and spend valuable years waiting to find one. Actually, I prefer an experienced slave in many ways because it really isn't that hard to modify previous trained habits and let's face it a smart Master/Mistress can always learn new ideas no matter who has them. I used to joke about that we needed a Pagan Convent where the girls could sacrifuice their virginity over an altar at the apropriate time so externding this mayhap we need such a place for boys and girls so they could be trained as slaves ready to be sold at top price to suitably vetted Masters and Mistresses.. Somehow I can't see this wishy, washy weak kneed modern society allowing such things which is not a bad thing either. Some things are probably best left to the realms of the mind.

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RE: When your property already carries a mark - 8/25/2009 5:28:29 PM

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ORIGINAL: beargonewild

I lookm upon marks both visible and invisible to be unique characteristics which adds to that person and doesn't subtract. If I was to have a sub who wore a tattoo with ties to a former, then so be it. That mark to them represented something which was important to them at that time. I place a higher importance to what is important in the relationship which concerns US and not the past. A tattoo only has importance to the person wearing the ink and then if it is also has a connection to another person. If and only of I desire a tattoo for me and mine, it will be solely significant to us as a couple and to us as individuals.

I agree with your line of thought bear, which is why I would add to it making the mark mine showing a link to the past and the continuity of the bondage. Of course if there were compelling reasons why this should not happen then it is not terribly important and a separate brand can be done.

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RE: When your property already carries a mark - 8/25/2009 5:52:56 PM

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It wouldn't bother me. I'm not really a big fan of tattoos. I have none myself but my submissive has two that both relate to one of her lifetime 'vanilla' passions. In the beginning I noticed them but over time I forgot about them and can't remember the last time I did notice them. A mark from a prior relationship would meet the same fate with me. It wouldn't be an issue to me conceptually or visually.

As an aside, she does carry a mark from me. A scar. We were doing our thing one night and I zigged where I should have zagged and I cut her. It was a small cut and it has long since healed but she'll wear that scar the rest of her life. Nobody else would ever pay it much mind - it's just another scar - but it's meaningful to me since it is ours and we're the only two who know how it happened - and it was real and primal and viceral and occured in the heat of passion.

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RE: When your property already carries a mark - 8/25/2009 8:41:22 PM

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ORIGINAL: endorphinhussy

As a Dom/me, if a new property is collared by you and carries a mark from a former owner, what are your feelings on this? Are you tempted or do you require that s/he have it covered up? Does it squick you when you see it? Does it generally make your desire to mark your property stronger whereas before you may never have done? Do certain locations make that worse?

How *does* this issue affect you?

we all enter a relationship carrying everything we've experienced before, both good and bad. i see the markings as a visible manifestation of the past. as with all things, familiarity can render them unnoticeable to the naked eye. my ears are pierced, i don't spend hours gazing at the holes. on the other hand it is often the things we cannot visually detect that truly have the largest impact. i'd be more concerned about what he carried within than what was etched upon his skin.

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RE: When your property already carries a mark - 8/25/2009 9:05:59 PM

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i am not expecting a virgin. i am expecting someone who tells me they have experience, then they show up and are a novice. why do people pretend to be something they are not?

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RE: When your property already carries a mark - 8/25/2009 9:25:12 PM

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Personally, I find the whole "marking" thing prettly silly, and quite frankly insecure of the person desiring said "mark".

Bottom Line: If someone hasn't made a "mark" on your heart and mind, no physical mark is going to make a difference.

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RE: When your property already carries a mark - 8/26/2009 12:42:53 AM

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ORIGINAL: MasterSlaveLA

Personally, I find the whole "marking" thing prettly silly, and quite frankly insecure of the person desiring said "mark".

Bottom Line: If someone hasn't made a "mark" on your heart and mind, no physical mark is going to make a difference.

Oh really? Strange that but then I guess those folk who have things like their military unit or ship tattooed would be insecure and have a need to keep proving that they were part of that unit or ship. Perhaps those who like to have their property, human, non human or inanimate marked with an ownership mark must be as insecure as someone with their blood group or personal identifier tattooed in case of emergencies. But thern again based on my observations, a good portion of humanity I have come across in diverse areas of the world have insecurities too.. So good of you to draw this matter to our collective attention and even more so for pointing out to those who favour marking their slave property how insecure they are..

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