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sexisubi -> RE: communication skills & the online search (8/26/2009 10:01:33 AM)

im a pretty bad speller myself, but there are times that i think, ok if you are not able to spell something so little and easy correctly, hows our texting conversations going to go? i will feel confused, but most importently i base my opinion on their ideas [:D]

i like people to be creative, i dont expect them to be perfect in anyway, if they message me anything sexual at first contact, thats a deal breaker, i dont want anything to do with them. if they message me something about wanting to get to know me or an interesting question about my profile, they win my vote.




olena -> RE: communication skills & the online search (8/26/2009 10:05:23 AM)


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ORIGINAL: LillyoftheVally

No I am offended because you claimed it the only reason for poor communication, i do find sloppiness annoying, but there is a difference between that and inability


And you are injecting what your definition of good communication skills to be for mine. Sorry but in my view anyone can communicate in the written form if one chooses to make the effort. Communication skills and spelling and grammar are two different things that have some connection but are not mutually inclusive. But obviously you make the effort to try to have good spelling and grammar and just do not type without any concern and then sit back and expect everyone to deal with that. In other words put no effort in but expect volunteers to put effort into to get their meaning and points.

Written communication skills are a lot more then having always perfect spelling and grammar.




daintydimples -> RE: communication skills & the online search (8/26/2009 10:22:12 AM)

Thank you everyone for your responses so far !!

Written communication skills are a lot more then having always perfect spelling and grammar.

Agreed. Although bad spelling and grammar can be hard to read at times, so can typos. It's not always due to laziness. I admit I'm the typo queen. My excuse is that I'm slightly dyslexic (Okay, some of the typos are due to having a cat in my lap or in front of the keyboard). So I pretty much just ignore that and move on, especially if the person has done a good job of communicating their thoughts and feelings.








porcelaine -> RE: communication skills & the online search (8/26/2009 10:28:48 AM)

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ORIGINAL: happylittlepet

* Let's not forget that there are very skilled people who have the intent to harm. Having a skill does not always mean trustworthy. 


bingo! that fact is often overlooked as well. just because someone is able to articulate himself in a manner that appears very good doesn't mean he's any better than the bloke that cannot spell. though he might be a pleasant read nonetheless.

porcelaine




happylittlepet -> RE: communication skills & the online search (8/26/2009 10:41:27 AM)

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ORIGINAL: porcelaine

quote:

ORIGINAL: happylittlepet

* Let's not forget that there are very skilled people who have the intent to harm. Having a skill does not always mean trustworthy. 


bingo! that fact is often overlooked as well. just because someone is able to articulate himself in a manner that appears very good doesn't mean he's any better than the bloke that cannot spell. though he might be a pleasant read nonetheless.

porcelaine



Ok, so how about the trustworthy man/woman who can't spell but has a huge heart?




porcelaine -> RE: communication skills & the online search (8/26/2009 10:45:08 AM)

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ORIGINAL: happylittlepet

Ok, so how about the trustworthy man/woman who can't spell but has a huge heart?


i would like to believe the latter part would definitely overshadow his spelling deficiencies.

porcelaine




Maxwell67 -> RE: communication skills & the online search (8/26/2009 11:24:24 AM)

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ORIGINAL: happylittlepet

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ORIGINAL: Maxwell67
(...snip...) thus far not a single actual submissive or slave (not counting the obvious scam spam) has contacted me with so much as a request to get to know me better. 


Maxwell, what do they send? Nothing? Just curious.


I have received some reactions both to posts I have made in the forums and to my profile and journal entries, but in all cases it was just commentary and usually included a statement to the effect that it's author was in some way unavailable or simply looking for something different from what we (my wife and I) have to offer.  Most of what I've received has been positive but not promising.  Two folks wanted to argue with me about something and one of those was at least interesting from my perspective.

I have, of course, initiated some contact as well, usually responses prompted by forum posts with my own commentary about something of theirs that I had read.  A few times I received a response to those with some very light and brief flirtation, but nothing that I could call serious. 

Chat rooms have been an entirely different story and I have been a bit shocked at the eagerness of some submissives to offer themselves to me.  I would offer a bit of practical advice to someone casually and the next thing I know they are on their knees or asking for my permission to use their own bathroom.  I stay out of those now in favor of a virtual 3D environment which is far more interesting to me (though I still often get the same reactions there).




CougarStud -> RE: communication skills & the online search (8/26/2009 11:47:44 AM)

I am attracted to people that are good communicators.  That said I found a particularly stupid young slave on this site that was only able to give out 1 to 5 word e-mails, unable to talk about her feelings, found great difficulty reading 10 pages a day of a very easy to read novel.  Normally I would have just said "we are not compatible" and kept looking. 

Now I am not sure if it because she is 21 and quite cute or  if it is because she is extremely submissive, and really is trying to learn to do what I like, but I have decided to keep her.




Toppingfrmbottom -> RE: communication skills & the online search (8/26/2009 11:55:09 AM)

I am not extremely picky, but one thing they must must MUST not be into is text speak. There's absolutely no need for text speak when you're not texting on a cell phone. I would also expect them to have a basic grasp on how to spell simple and basic things,  and be mostly legible, but I would not frown on them for not knowing how to spell huge long complicated words, as I can't spell them either.




stella41b -> RE: communication skills & the online search (8/26/2009 11:56:57 AM)

While good communication skills especially writing are important when it comes to looking to meet people online to me they're just part of the whole package and just a component together with intention, thinking, motivation and character.

Hence you can be a brilliant writer and have excellent communication skills but still be something of an idiot, just as much as you can be a brilliant communicator with a wonderful personality, highly intelligent, and have your heart in the right place but be seeking to do the wrong thing with the wrong person at the wrong time.

But then again you can be poor at writing or find it difficult and still be a wonderful person, highly intelligent, and still be looking to do the wrong right at the wrong time with the wrong person.

I've just had a conversation with someone about this trend of people saying that this is a crap website and to be honest if you're looking to just log on, browse profiles and choose someone to do something you want with at that time then I'm inclined to agree, this is a crap website for that sort of thing.

Finding anyone who matches your criteria with the same interests and the same idea to do something together offline nowadays is very difficult and it doesn't matter whether that is here, on another site or elsewhere, it doesn't matter whether it's for a relationship, casual sex, casual play or just friendship.

The Internet doesn't really change the fact that these things require effort, thinking, some degree of common sense, life experience and more than a touch of luck.

It's not easy for me to say whether something is a deal breaker or how quickly I move from online to phone and meeting because that depends on me, the other person, their impressions, my impressions, where they are based, where I am based, their circumstances, my circumstances and what we are looking to do together.

However suffice to say dishonesty, rudeness and evasiveness are very clearly deal breakers and will result in me cutting off all contact almost immediately. But beyond that I'm more openminded and deal with each contact on its individual merits.




daintydimples -> RE: communication skills & the online search (8/26/2009 12:10:07 PM)

Once again, Stella reminds me why I enjoy her posts so much.




lateralist1 -> RE: communication skills & the online search (8/26/2009 12:29:49 PM)

I find it difficult to know when a sub makes a grammatical or spelling mistake whether they are doing it on purpose to get told off or whether they really didn't know that it was incorrect.
To be on the safe side I ignore all mistakes as long as I can understand what they have said.
If I chose to accept a sub and he chooses to accept me as his owner then I will start to train him in the use of correct written language.
However mine ain't that hot lol.




CougarStud -> RE: communication skills & the online search (8/26/2009 12:34:47 PM)

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ORIGINAL: lateralist1

If I chose to accept a sub and he chooses to accept me as his owner then I will start to train him in the use of correct written language


I did fail to mention that she is getting trained to spell properly, read, write and study. 




HarderToBreathe2 -> RE: communication skills & the online search (8/26/2009 12:40:14 PM)

I haven't read all the replies to this post yet, but here are my thoughts on the matter.  I personally tend to gravitate more towards those who have excellent writing skills.  And I will more often than not discount someone new completely after a couple of poorly written emails (whether it be bad grammar, repeated spelling errors, or an inability to express themselves in a written form).  I'm not perfect myself (for instance, I'm really bad about run-on sentences), and I try not to be so picky; but I feel you can get a good sense of someone's intelligence based on how they write.  There are certainly exceptions to the rule, though.  There is one guy in particular who I've had extensive written communication with in the past (in addition to talking on the phone and meeting in person).  This guy is HIGHLY intelligent and insightful, and he expresses his thoughts incredibly well... but he can't spell worth a shit lol.  One sentence will have 5-10 spelling and grammar errors.  In that case, I really don't care about his writing skills because I love the way his mind works.

One thing that never fails to bug me is people who don't know how to use "your" vs. "you're".  It's all I can do not to give them a mini-lesson on it.  But I usually don't say anything.   




CreativeDominant -> RE: communication skills & the online search (8/26/2009 12:53:37 PM)

For me, while the idea of what they are trying to convey is ultimately the most important thing, they have to be able to convey it in a way that I can grasp that idea.  The occasional typo?  No big deal.  The occasional transposed word or phrase?  Again, no big deal.  But when it is an ongoing thing or when someone fails to use punctuation it becomes ever more difficult to understand what they are trying to say.  There are a couple of posters on here who can write an entire paragraph and never use punctuation until the very end OR they transpose constantly or spell horrifically on almost every word that goes beyond two syllables---that bothers me and frustrates me to the point that I no longer read their posts.  That's too bad because they might have something worth saying but since I only have the written form to communicate with in dealing with them, I am not going to bother.

I went to school at a time when spelling and punctuation and correct grammar were important and thus were drummed into my head.  As a healthcare provider, it is important that I be able to communicate in an effective and clear way with insurance companies, lawyers and patients.  I have to be able to move across the spectrum of ability of the people on the other side to understand and so I have learned to write in a manner that applies to the audience I am dealing with.  I tend to view the posters on here as being representative of an intelligent subsection of American society and that is how I express myself.




manxcat -> RE: communication skills & the online search (8/26/2009 2:02:51 PM)

     There have been some very good responses, specifically olena, stella, Lillyof theVally - in her initial post, to name a few.  Sorry about the others I missed.  My grandfather came from Germany, and taught himself to read and write English (also German as he had shipped out at age 8).  He kept a dictionary in his secretary so that he would do his best.  
     For me it is not about spelling, and grammar.  From about the 70's schools have put less emphasis on the technical aspect of writing skills.   As a writer, I have worked hard to make myself understandable in all my writing, as well as approachable in personal ads.   I use the thesaurus function in Word all the time, for clarity.  Sometimes I go through 100 words to get the right one. 
    Spell check does not always work, as it cannot differentiate from actual words which may be misused.  Neither can you proofread your own work, for the most part.  I recently had someone point out another error in my profile, and I had just re-read it the day before, and still had not seen it.       
    But... there are many ways to overcome a lack of writing skills, and one can always say "I don't trust my  writing skills..."  and can make lists to answer questions, or one can explain one is dyslexic, etc.   So spelling and grammar are not a deal breaker, but I do look to see if an effort is being made to communicate.   I clearly state in my profile that  if *your* profile is lacking in content, I want more than a "nice pic, what are your hard limits" kind of mail.   I have different responses to these, depending on what exactly is said, and my mood.[:D]  Then, depending on the response, (and again, my mood) I will choose whether to continue the contact.  
    I believe that someone who will not make the effort to communicate in more than two sentence mails and responses, is more than likely not going to put in the effort to work at a relationship.   If I find that someone is avoiding answering certain questions, after asking twice, I will usually cut off contact, as experience has shown me they are wankers with something to hide. 
    There are some who have great writing skills, and are very good at *spin*.  Recently I had conversation with someone like this, and after about 3 such communications, where he was attempting to justify *misunderstandings* and outright lies, I decided not to respond anymore.  It was not just the discrepancies, but the whole picture.  If after 5, 6, 7 mails, *you* are still attempting to justify and not answering plainly, I see no hope for the future.  While I have no problem working at a relationship, indeed, I will make more allowances for all kinds of differences than most will, if we cannot get to the finding out about each other part, and have to spend days finding a common language, I am done.  Again it speaks to the honesty of the person in question.  Also, all the flattery in the world will not make up for lack of content.  Nor will repeating it for lack of anything else to say, if I have limited BDSM talk to hard limits for the first few communications.   I would rather deal with the spelling and grammar issues than the spin doctors and wankers.

manxy
  







daintydimples -> RE: communication skills & the online search (8/26/2009 2:11:51 PM)

I believe that someone who will not make the effort to communicate in more than two sentence mails and responses, is more than likely not going to put in the effort to work at a relationship.   If I find that someone is avoiding answering certain questions, after asking twice, I will usually cut off contact, as experience has shown me they are wankers with something to hide. 
    There are some who have great writing skills, and are very good at *spin*.  Recently I had conversation with someone like this, and after about 3 such communications, where he was attempting to justify *misunderstandings* and outright lies, I decided not to respond anymore.  It was not just the discrepancies, but the whole picture.  If after 5, 6, 7 mails, *you* are still attempting to justify and not answering plainly, I see no hope for the future.  While I have no problem working at a relationship, indeed, I will make more allowances for all kinds of differences than most will, if we cannot get to the finding out about each other part, and have to spend days finding a common language, I am done.  Again it speaks to the honesty of the person in question.  Also, all the flattery in the world will not make up for lack of content.  Nor will repeating it for lack of anything else to say, if I have limited BDSM talk to hard limits for the first few communications.   I would rather deal with the spelling and grammar issues than the spin doctors and wankers.


Agreed.




leadership527 -> RE: communication skills & the online search (8/26/2009 2:35:00 PM)

I generally find the grammer police amusing. I personally do not select a life long partner on the basis of their typing skills.




sravaka -> RE: communication skills & the online search (8/26/2009 3:00:18 PM)

I'm an absolute sucker for a talented writer (meaning the precision, nuance, evocativeness, whatever, of the words on the page/screen more than the grammar/spelling, though it is definitely a pleasure not to be distracted by crappy grammar/spelling)...  but as other have said, that doesn't always translate into compatibility.  There are people who can write brilliantly when they put time into it but can't communicate nearly as well orally-- I'm not sure what to think of those.  Conversely, a couple of the sharpest, best people I know can't type accurately to save their lives.

I think beyond grammar/spelling, there are people who have very well oiled brain-to-typing-hands and/or brain-to-mouth connections (which they can use for good ends or bad), but there are also qualities like quickness, wit, astuteness that may travel independent of a gift of gab.  I'm looking for some kind of well-above-averageness when all of these things are jumbled together, I guess.

But I refuse to correspond with anyone who uses S/slash S/speak or who capitalizes his Me's and My's--  that I just can't stand to look at.




DemonKia -> RE: communication skills & the online search (8/26/2009 3:07:33 PM)

*smirk*

Leadership, you just saved me some typing . . . . . But I'm gonna add more typing, so . . . . .

ETA: The following is aimed at the 'grammatically Nazi' inclined . . . . . .

Content & form are not necessarily related. There are posters to these forums for whom the form is problematic but the content is well worth the effort (yes, Vanity, I am specifically looking in your direction), & there are posters who are relatively easy to read & their content is barely- or un-digestible . . . .. . .

If writing skills come easy to you, yay . . . . . But would you dance in front of the wheel-chair bound? Taunt them with your grace & interrogate them as to whether their afflictions were right & proper & deserving of respect?

I've spent a loooooooooooooooong time 'perfecting' my writing skills, & I guess I'm lucky that I see them as nothing more than what they are, good writing skills. They don't even guarantee that I'm some kinda 'great communicator' in person, simply that my fingers move over the keyboard with some speed & deftness & that the results are cogent & cohere to some set of standards . . .. . .

I'm graced that spelling comes to me . . . . . & pragmatic enough to recognize how difficult those skills are to acquire for so many . . . . .




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