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RE: Denver Dem HQ vandalized by Republican Health Care ... - 8/27/2009 6:38:27 AM   
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Your plant theory makes sense to me.

No surprise here.

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RE: Denver Dem HQ vandalized by Republican Health Care ... - 8/27/2009 6:40:28 AM   
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Status: offline 		This vandalism was committed by Democrats, in order that it be blamed on Republicans. An old, but effective trip of the DNC.

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RE: Denver Dem HQ vandalized by Republican Health Care ... - 8/27/2009 6:45:02 AM   
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Heh heh heh...

Ahem.


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RE: Denver Dem HQ vandalized by Republican Health Care ... - 8/27/2009 7:24:24 AM   
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Status: offline 		Actually, I think the guy was a plant. No....not a person paid by the Republicans to infliltrate the Democrates and make them look bad. I think he's a real plant....like Invasion of the Body Snatchers. I think the Aliens have come down to take over the world by replacing nice, normal Americans with look alikes who say and do stupid things. Just look at the comments of [name obscured by some kind of green plant matter] and [name obscured by some kind of green plant matter] and ESPECIALLY [name obscured by some kind of green plant matter].

Yes...this guy was a plant all right. Now we just have to find his watering can, drop some weed killer in it and we can start to take our society back from the green menace!

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RE: Denver Dem HQ vandalized by Republican Health Care ... - 8/27/2009 7:25:25 AM   
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RE: Denver Dem HQ vandalized by Republican Health Care ... - 8/27/2009 7:30:11 AM   
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I'm actually almost speechless.

This is just way too much of a stretch for anyone to take seriously.

Except for you, of course.

Take what seriously?  The fact that he's a Democratic supporter? 
Do you suppose the very liberal Denver Post would not trumpet it in big headlines were they to find a connection between this leftist rube and some Republican money?

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RE: Denver Dem HQ vandalized by Republican Health Care ... - 8/27/2009 7:37:42 AM   
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I believe I did.

If you feel you have some sort of defense of this action, lets hear it.
ORIGINAL: rightwinghippie



I have no desire to defend this action. It was vandalism at its worst and if Ms. Waak spoke of this as a republican act of vandalism, then is seems to be incorrect.

What I will take issue with is your comment that this is a "typical leftest action". Just as I do not paint the swastika carrying, "no" screaming, nazi shouters as the "typical" republican or rightest, I would expect a little better. Let me rephrase. I would expect a little better from most people.

But by all means, if anyone wants to, they can continue to try to demonize anyone to the left of Joe McCarthy and shout with glee at every possible embarrassment to the left caused by a fringe loony. They also can continue to spout truths, personal attacks and faulty logic while playing the poor victim to anyone who dares to try to address another viewpoint.

Yes, that is everyone's right in this country because of the beauty of free speech. We are just fortunate here on this board not to have anyone like that around to lower the level of the discussion, aren't we?


Actually, those who've been showing up at the health care town forums have been stating that taking us into universal health care is a type of socialism.  While they make it a stretch, and a deplorable one at that, to compare Obamacare to medical care in Nazi Germany it IS true that the Nazis were a Socialist regime and that their health care was a universal system. 
Tis ironic that everyone on the left complains about these citizens showing up and shouting out their defiance...labels these folks as unpatriotic...and yet, Nancy Pelosi and Hillary Clinton, as well as others, are both on the record as having stated publicly that it was "patriotic" to stand up and question, to shout at, to criticize those Republicans that were in office when Bush was in charge.  Funny how things change, is it not?

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RE: Denver Dem HQ vandalized by Republican Health Care ... - 8/27/2009 8:36:35 AM   
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[Tis ironic that everyone on the left complains about these citizens showing up and shouting out their defiance


Of course...these are people who should be listened to carefully. For example, the gentleman who stood up and screamed "Keep your government hands off my Medicare!"....Yep...really elevating the conversation.


BTW...any post from either side that says "well look what bush/republicans/clinton/democrats did in relation to current issues is, in my opinion null...and brings the conversation down to the "arguing with a dining room table" level.

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RE: Denver Dem HQ vandalized by Republican Health Care ... - 8/27/2009 1:01:48 PM   
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it IS true that the Nazis were a Socialist regime

No. It is not true.

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RE: Denver Dem HQ vandalized by Republican Health Care ... - 8/27/2009 1:17:47 PM   
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Status: offline 		Weren't the Nazis backed by the neo-conservative interests? Krupp, I.G. Farben, and the like?

Why would they back socialism, or liberals?

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RE: Denver Dem HQ vandalized by Republican Health Care ... - 8/27/2009 1:18:47 PM   
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it IS true that the Nazis were a Socialist regime



Popular history not supported by the historical profession.

Martin Heiddeger (ultra conservative farmer) was the philosophical spokesman for the Nazi Party.

Hitler was a key figure in the Munich Putsch (1923) composed of monarchists/radical nationalists/lower middle class economic interests - definitely not the working class who were overwhelming socialist in Germany.

Hitler was a massive fan of Nietzsche (in fact he cynically manipulated his views) - Nietzsche was anything but a socialist.

The ideological enemy were the Bolsheviks - primarily because of the long held German notion of Blood and Iron which Hitler bought right into.

Popular history invariably has nothing whatsoever to do with reality and the historical profession because the media manipulates the whole thing (and those with a passing interest take it as read).

It's rather like saying Germany - post1900 - has shown itself to be an inordinately militaristic nation. Again this notion is popular history rather than reality.



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RE: Denver Dem HQ vandalized by Republican Health Care ... - 8/27/2009 1:22:39 PM   
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Weren't the Nazis backed by the neo-conservative interests? Krupp, I.G. Farben, and the like?

Why would they back socialism, or liberals?

Hjalmer Schacht


A. Because they had the word "Socialist" in their party name, so obviously they must have been socialists. Why would they lie or misrepresent themselves in any way?
B. Lumping them with liberals makes it easier for conservatives to attack liberals. They don't have to actually make an argument - all they have to do is say, "Hitler was a liberal, too!" and then shut up and wait for us to deny it so they can ridicule us for not knowin' nuthin' 'bout history.


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RE: Denver Dem HQ vandalized by Republican Health Care ... - 8/27/2009 1:23:36 PM   
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Status: offline 		The individual who committed this crime was actually a person whom at one time worked for the local democratic party.

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RE: Denver Dem HQ vandalized by Republican Health Care ... - 8/27/2009 1:25:45 PM   
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Status: offline 		LOL, I am positive he was unaware of that.

But, I see it's your first post, and so I am not going to trouble myself overmuch about that.

Stick around though, you'll get the gimmick soon enough.

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RE: Denver Dem HQ vandalized by Republican Health Care ... - 8/27/2009 1:28:43 PM   
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The individual who committed this crime was actually a person whom at one time worked for the local democratic party.


Yeah, Ron's right, that did get mentioned earlier. You probably missed it in the flood of bickering that followed. Welcome to the boards, though!


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RE: Denver Dem HQ vandalized by Republican Health Care ... - 8/27/2009 1:32:37 PM   
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RE: Denver Dem HQ vandalized by Republican Health Care ... - 8/27/2009 1:37:28 PM   
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Status: offline 		Could someone be so kind as to explain to me why when one political whackjob does something to another political whackjob everyone associated with thier chosen political party are painted as "All the Same"

I am Conservative, I would never Vandalize a place nor would it matter if the person who did it was of an opposing Polical Party because I would be looking at one person not an entire movement.

I doubt the whole Political Left or whole Political Right wanted to break this guys window.

What in the fuck is wrong with people now days.

He Has Brown Hair he must be a Child Molester.
She has Saggy Tits she muct be a Mormon
He had a stain on his pants he must be a Chronic Masturbator
She has a Chipped Tooth she must be Homeless

ALL OF THESE Are just as Valid as the "Typical Left" or "Typical Right" Bullshit.

I am ME I feel the way I feel I feel because it is how I feel I happen to fall to the right side I am far from a Right Wing Whackjob.

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RE: Denver Dem HQ vandalized by Republican Health Care ... - 8/27/2009 1:57:31 PM   
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[Tis ironic that everyone on the left complains about these citizens showing up and shouting out their defiance


Of course...these are people who should be listened to carefully. For example, the gentleman who stood up and screamed "Keep your government hands off my Medicare!"....Yep...really elevating the conversation.
No, not exactly an elevation of the conversation...certainly an expression of feeling from a senior citizen served by a system that started out corrupt and only becoming more so over time.


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BTW...any post from either side that says "well look what bush/republicans/clinton/democrats did in relation to current issues is, in my opinion null...and brings the conversation down to the "arguing with a dining room table" level.
I can certainly understand your feelings on the last part...looking back to what Pelosi and Clinton said that vs. what they say now when the tables are turned only reveals them for the hypocrites they are.

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RE: Denver Dem HQ vandalized by Republican Health Care ... - 8/27/2009 2:23:51 PM   
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Weren't the Nazis backed by the neo-conservative interests? Krupp, I.G. Farben, and the like?

Why would they back socialism, or liberals?

Hjalmer Schacht


A. Because they had the word "Socialist" in their party name, so obviously they must have been socialists. Why would they lie or misrepresent themselves in any way?
B. Lumping them with liberals makes it easier for conservatives to attack liberals. They don't have to actually make an argument - all they have to do is say, "Hitler was a liberal, too!" and then shut up and wait for us to deny it so they can ridicule us for not knowin' nuthin' 'bout history.

Yes, Hitler was backed up by these people...several of them capitalists.  And yet he despised capitalism and took over many capitalistic interests such as the Dr. F. Porsche's factory so as to put it to work producing the "people's car" along with parts to supply the war machine.  Yes, Hitler and his party twisted many of the idealistic socialist views...he saw the government's involvement in every aspect of a citizen's life as not only necessary but critical but his main purpose for doing so was to insure absolute obedience to the Nazi party and its viewpoints.  His healthcare system was universal in nature but again, twisted to serve party ideology.  He hated democracy and also hated communism, preferring instead a central authority ruled by one---himself. 
Hitler was indeed twisted...a twisted liberal and a twisted conservative, traipsing across both ideologies to establish a totalitarian regime.  Pride in one's nation---a conservative view---taken to the extreme in his nationalism and racial purity ideals.
To gain the support of middle-class and lower working class workers, he stressed the idea that the party's socialist system was designed to give social welfare to the "true" German citizen.  He believed that social welfare was the business of the state, paid for by everyone.  A liberal idea---taken to the extreme in that he only recognized that social welfare as "properly" belonging to those German citizens deemed as being part of the Aryan race.

As for lumping the Nazis with liberals...when taken as a whole, you are right...it is a wrong-headed idea, just as it is when liberals choose to lump conservatives with Nazis.  But stating that an idea is eerily similar to that of a long-gone totalitarian regime is something that should, in my mind, be given at least some serious thought.

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RE: Denver Dem HQ vandalized by Republican Health Care ... - 8/27/2009 3:59:40 PM   
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But stating that an idea is eerily similar to that of a long-gone totalitarian regime is something that should, in my mind, be given at least some serious thought. ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant


How about stating that an idea is "eerily" similar to a system employed by almost every industrialized, democratic nation on earth being given some serious thought? And yet I don't notice England and Canada trying to take over the world. I don't see the French trying to commit genocide in order to further their idea of a master race. Ok...they think Jerry Lewis is a genius, but that's not quite as bad as the nazi agenda. But hey, far better to cast back to nazi Germany for an example of a country with universal health care than any of the current, non-totalitarian countries that have it in one form or another and don't seem to have either people dying in the street or jackbooted thugs dragging people off to extermination camps. If they are and I just happened to miss the report on Fox news, please tell me..

How about this.....Obama considers Japan an ally. Nazi Germany considered Japan an ally. MY GOD! OBAMA is a nazi! I'm gonna give that some real serious consideration.

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