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RE: Einstein On God - 8/27/2009 6:32:51 PM   
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"I do not believe religion ever makes any effort to understand mystery - god is the mystery."

I would disagree with this. Religion has constantly been evolving and changing its understandign of the mysteries of God and existance.

What is kind of funny is that you are demanding that anyone who has religious feelingshas to step into a doctrinal box. That we are alltrying to understand, you seem to be missing entirerly.

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RE: Einstein On God - 8/27/2009 6:35:26 PM   
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"To sense that behind anything that can be experienced there is a something that our mind cannot grasp and whose beauty and sublimity reaches us only indirectly and as a feeble reflection, this is religiousness. "

I think you are missing what he is saying here. This violates your 3 rule/ it has to be defined to exist logic system.


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RE: Einstein On God - 8/27/2009 7:38:42 PM   
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I understand... you don't want to discuss your motivations… Ok it is your thread.

When you would like to take that step let me know…I would be interested to hear your reasons for being so fanatically against religion in general…there is always a reason.

I did address Einstein and my post was directly from links you have provided as well as others…maybe you should read my post again and compare it to your links.

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RE: Einstein On God - 8/27/2009 7:51:27 PM   
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I am curious, does anyone have any quotes by god on Einstein?

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Einstein was a devout Jew for most of his childhood. In his teen years, as he became fascinated with the science he was learning in school, he began to develop serious issues with the contradictions and illogic he saw in the doctrines of his faith. Later on he rejected all formal religion and the concept of an anthropomorphic "personal" Deity. However, much as with Isaac Newton, as he progressed in his understanding of physics, he came to the conclusion that the Universe must have been designed - becoming effectively a Deist. Einstein was not a religious scholar and so often had difficulty with certain terms of the exact meaning of the exact differences between various theological philosophies.

Some of his quotes:

"My feeling is religious insofar as I am imbued with tile consciousness of the insufficiency of the human mind to understand more deeply the harmony of the Universe which we try to formulate as "laws of nature."


— Letter to Beatrice Frohlich, December 17, 1952; Einstein Archive 59-797

"My position concerning God is that of an agnostic. I am convinced that a vivid consciousness of the primary importance of moral principles for the betterment and ennoblement of life does not need the idea of a law-giver, especially a law-giver who works on the basis of reward and punishment."


— Letter to M. Berkowitz, October 25, 1950; Einstein Archive 59-215

"My religion consists of a humble admiration of the illimitable superior spirit who reveals himself in the slight details we are able to perceive With our frail and feeble minds. That deeply emotional conviction of the presence of a superior reasoning power, which is revealed in the incomprehensible Universe, forms my idea of God."



— Quoted in the New York Times obituary April 19, 1955

"In view of such harmony in the cosmos which I, with my limited human understanding, am able to recognize, there are yet people who say there is no God. But what really makes me angry is that they quote me for the support of such views."

— Prince Hubertus zu Löwenstein, Towards the Further Shore (Victor Gollancz, London, 1968), p. 156; quoted in Jammer, p. 97

"I was barked at by numerous dogs who are earning their food guarding ignorance and superstition for the benefit of those who profit from it. Then there are the fanatical atheists whose intolerance is of the same kind as the intolerance of the religious fanatics and comes from the same source. They are like slaves who are still feeling the weight of their chains which they have thrown off after hard struggle. They are creatures who—in their grudge against the traditional "opium of the people"—cannot bear the music of the spheres. The Wonder of nature does not become smaller because one cannot measure it by the standards of human moral and human aims."
— Einstein to an unidentified adressee, Aug.7, 1941. Einstein Archive, reel 54-927, quoted in Jammer, p. 97



Far more detail can be found at http://www.einsteinandreligion.com

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RE: Einstein On God - 8/27/2009 8:19:56 PM   
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I am curious, does anyone have any quotes by god on Einstein?

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Umm, InvisibleBlack, you misunderstood. mnottertail did not ask for quotes citing Einstein talking about god. He asked instead for quotes from the mouth of God that pertained to Einstein.

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RE: Einstein On God - 8/27/2009 8:30:12 PM   
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Because God is a lie
Hey Brain, I'm still waiting for you to show me how astronomy, physics or evolutionary biology proves God doesn't exist. You ain't going to be able to duck the question forever if you keep making these assertions of belief as fact. I have no intention of letting you off on this one.


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RE: Einstein On God - 8/27/2009 9:02:25 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Rule

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail
I am curious, does anyone have any quotes by god on Einstein?

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Umm, InvisibleBlack, you misunderstood. mnottertail did not ask for quotes citing Einstein talking about god. He asked instead for quotes from the mouth of God that pertained to Einstein.


Doh! That's what I get for posting on insufficient sleep!


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RE: Einstein On God - 8/27/2009 9:04:10 PM   
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Hey those were some great quotes though.

I am glad you added them to the thread.


This is priceless,
"In view of such harmony in the cosmos which I, with my limited human understanding, am able to recognize, there are yet people who say there is no God. But what really makes me angry is that they quote me for the support of such views."


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RE: Einstein On God - 8/27/2009 9:06:13 PM   
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That is bad, Esinn. Einstein is really angry because you quoted him.

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RE: Einstein On God - 8/27/2009 9:11:28 PM   
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Well, Esinn is a bad ass gangster, so I think he can take Einstien in a brawl. I doubt he's very worried that Einstien and his crew are gonna come do a drive by on his crib.

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RE: Einstein On God - 8/27/2009 9:41:35 PM   
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I already sent you the evidence and then you told me the sound on your computer didn’t work so you can’t hear it. I have bookmarked several links on my computer about astronomy, biology, evolution and religion so I suppose I could find them again and send them if you have fixed your computer. Just let me know and I will send it to you. As I said before these are lectures or videos given by gentlemen who are professors of biology, astronomy and physics so I’ve had enough trouble trying to grasp it myself never mind trying to explain it to somebody else.

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Because God is a lie
Hey Brain, I'm still waiting for you to show me how astronomy, physics or evolutionary biology proves God doesn't exist. You ain't going to be able to duck the question forever if you keep making these assertions of belief as fact. I have no intention of letting you off on this one.



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RE: Einstein On God - 8/27/2009 9:45:12 PM   
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I watched the videos (I got working speakers) and saw nothing in any of them that proved that God doesn't exist. Rather the opposite, I saw many things that would lead me to suspect the existence of a deity or at least some intelligence behind the universe.


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RE: Einstein On God - 8/27/2009 9:48:07 PM   
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Maybe this will help, National Geographic said they made it easy;

1 -- History of the Universe Made Easy (Part 1)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wg1fs6vp9Ok&feature=related

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RE: Einstein On God - 8/27/2009 11:03:18 PM   
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A cool video, as is part 2 as well. However,other than the narrator stating that the creationist viewpoint was demonstrably wrong,there is nothing there that actually even begins to address the existence or lack thereof of a deity.

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