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Pastor Sends Obama To Hell - 8/26/2009 11:04:32 PM   
Esinn


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"I Hate Barack Obama," "I Hate Barack Obama," "I Hate Barack Obama," "I Hate Barack Obama," "I Hate Barack Obama," "I Hate Barack Obama,"

Pounding his fist on the pulpit the loving pastor makes it clearL
"I Hate Barack Obama," "I Hate Barack Obama,"
(He did say it that many times, I believe in 20 min)
Every day there are 20-30 + major not worthy news stories which clearly demonstrate the ignorance of religion, I just posted 3 of them in a row.

The fact you do not know they exist is not my fault.

I can no longer shake it when you pee.  I am not your grandmother.

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RE: Pastor Sends Obama To Hell - 8/26/2009 11:17:25 PM   
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Status: offline 		Heh. This guy comes onto campus on ASU and yells at all of us that we're faggots and should burn.

I've argued with him face-to-face a few times.

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RE: Pastor Sends Obama To Hell - 8/26/2009 11:23:18 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Ialdabaoth

Heh. This guy comes onto campus on ASU and yells at all of us that we're faggots and should burn.

I've argued with him face-to-face a few times.


This is his "faith".  People on this forum over and over and over have said faith is a rational unchallenged able method to absolute knowledge.  So, who you are to argue with his faith I have no clue.
-Seriously good job.

Within the last 15 min I have posted 4-5 out of 60-70 ideas that are equally stupid but accepted as true because of personal faith.


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RE: Pastor Sends Obama To Hell - 8/26/2009 11:27:37 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Esinn

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ORIGINAL: Ialdabaoth

Heh. This guy comes onto campus on ASU and yells at all of us that we're faggots and should burn.

I've argued with him face-to-face a few times.


This is his "faith".  People on this forum over and over and over have said faith is a rational unchallenged able method to absolute knowledge.  So, who you are to argue with his faith I have no clue.
-Seriously good job.

Within the last 15 min I have posted 4-5 out of 60-70 ideas that are equally stupid but accepted as true because of personal faith.



Well, yeah. And the thing is, I can see that.

Hell, during one of his diatribes, I actually went ahead and bought into it - after all, who am I to argue with righteous gnosis - and offered myself up to be killed by him, then and there. I even provided the means.

He wouldn't do it. :(

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RE: Pastor Sends Obama To Hell - 8/27/2009 1:59:35 AM   
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Status: offline 		This is the same jackass who harrasses border patrol agents until they tase him and then cries about it on youtube.

Makes those youtube vids of him getting zapped all the more HILARIOUS.


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RE: Pastor Sends Obama To Hell - 8/27/2009 8:50:39 AM   
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Status: offline 		For whatever reason Religion attracts crackpots and sociopaths.
Whatever happened to, "I disagree with his/her politics?"

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RE: Pastor Sends Obama To Hell - 8/27/2009 10:25:17 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Ialdabaoth

Heh. This guy comes onto campus on ASU and yells at all of us that we're faggots and should burn.

I've argued with him face-to-face a few times.


haha, I was only able to listen to the audio for a short while, till he said some'n bout a hypocracy to support the death penalty but not to want to kill "faggots" because in his mind the same god that handed down death to murderers and rapists alos handed it down to "sodomites", and I was thinking, how wonderful it would be to stone this person to death at one of his rants for wearing cloth made of two diffrent fibers, which is also condemed in leviticus

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RE: Pastor Sends Obama To Hell - 8/27/2009 10:26:34 AM   
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ORIGINAL: popeye1250

For whatever reason Religion attracts crackpots and sociopaths.
Whatever happened to, "I disagree with his/her politics?"


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RE: Pastor Sends Obama To Hell - 8/27/2009 10:52:28 AM   
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ORIGINAL: popeye1250

For whatever reason Religion attracts crackpots and sociopaths.
Whatever happened to, "I disagree with his/her politics?"


Religion does more than attract.  It breeds, creates and influences. 

The reason for this is quite simple.  Each religion demands its own, not the others, is the absolute.  Religion is often if not almost always vague.  Religion is often if not always faith based.

For those reasons a person can extrapolate almost any personal meaning they desire from religion and accept them on 'faith'.  For some reason in this country, well I discussed why a few times, faith it taboo to question or criticize.  So, unlike in other fields where such ideas would be exposed religion loves and comforts them.

This taboo of questioning faith is dying or asking people:
"Do you really believe that?"
"Do you really think this is a rational belief"
"Please detail why other than faith you believe this". 

These questions are never viewed as an attack personal or otherwise outside the context of religion.  However, within the context.  Well, crackpots were never forced to address them

It all really started with Sam Harris in 1994(I believe).  Search the term, "New Atheist" - I think?  It is not really a new atheistic point of view - it was never really introduced to the general public prior to this.

Possibly that helps?

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The guy above me said Egos.  I know the direction I went was not the direction you implied.....  Religious belief and politics are mixed.  But it is not for this reason they are looney.


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RE: Pastor Sends Obama To Hell - 8/27/2009 11:23:44 AM   
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ORIGINAL: popeye1250

For whatever reason Religion attracts crackpots and sociopaths.
Whatever happened to, "I disagree with his/her politics?"


People realized they had no position. Developing one sounded like work. This was easier than thinking.


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RE: Pastor Sends Obama To Hell - 8/27/2009 11:57:12 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Esinn

The reason for this is quite simple.  Each religion demands its own, not the others, is the absolute. 



That's not true for all religions or even the majority of them.

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For those reasons a person can extrapolate almost any personal meaning they desire from religion and accept them on 'faith'.  For some reason in this country, well I discussed why a few times, faith it taboo to question or criticize.  So, unlike in other fields where such ideas would be exposed religion loves and comforts them.


In my experience, the people who get all worked into a tizzy are those people who are insecure in their faith or are otherwise antagonistic and thus acting AGAINST their faith. Pauline Christianity is a bastardized form of what Jesus said, imo.

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This taboo of questioning faith is dying or asking people:
"Do you really believe that?"
"Do you really think this is a rational belief"
"Please detail why other than faith you believe this". 

These questions are never viewed as an attack personal or otherwise outside the context of religion.  However, within the context.  Well, crackpots were never forced to address them



Um... You don't ask dying people this because they're dying and you would rather comfort them? That is, unless you're a cold, sadistic prick and would like to badger someone on their way out.

There is and is not a way to go about discussing religion. If you go around calling people names and not listening to their side, just spew your own antagnostic, myopic point of view, yeah, people get upset. You'd get upset talking about anything with that outlook. And, from what I've seen thus far, you tend to do such things then use others' frustrations to justify your own ill-conceived sociological conclusions.

And you're correct, in America the civil religion is something that is difficult to get away from, especially in the South, and I hate predispensationalism with a passion, for the record -- but that gets into a whole nother conversation.

Predispensationalism: The notion that the U.S. must support Israel regardless of its blunders or successes because it is God's chosen country / nation  / people.


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RE: Pastor Sends Obama To Hell - 8/27/2009 12:04:39 PM   
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quote:

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The reason for this is quite simple.  Each religion demands its own, not the others, is the absolute. 

That's not true for all religions or even the majority of them.


Actually, it is true for most religions.

It's among the excuses for religious wars--dividing Ireland, or carving off Pakistan and Bangladesh from India, or Puritans escaping to the New World, or Spain going after Elizabeth I, or any of hundreds of other examples.


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RE: Pastor Sends Obama To Hell - 8/27/2009 12:12:11 PM   
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Status: offline 		Arguing against "Faith" is a waste of time and energy, because the person who believes something with absolute faith is absolutely deaf-and-dumb to all rational, logical, demonstrable arguments against what they believe absolutely. Being-so is their armor against changing their beliefs, admitting that what they have held as absolute for so long just isn't so, a painfull process called a "Crisis of faith". The only way a person in that state ever reaches a crisis of faith is when the world, thru countless quiet, non-confrontational demonstrations of the facts, finally HAS to face the cumulative evidence, and the results aren't psychologically pretty. Best to simply fend these idiots off, they THRIVE on argumentation, especially public, it creates more of a scene, draws more folk within their earshot.

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RE: Pastor Sends Obama To Hell - 8/27/2009 12:36:34 PM   
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Status: offline 		The religions you mentioned were Islam and Christianity ;) 

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RE: Pastor Sends Obama To Hell - 8/27/2009 2:05:53 PM   
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Status: offline 		I had assumed pointing out that each major religion has a gazillion sects, each claiming the true path, was an obvious point.

I see I was mistaken. Consider it now stated.

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RE: Pastor Sends Obama To Hell - 8/27/2009 2:17:04 PM   
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synecdoche:

–noun Rhetoric. a figure of speech in which a part is used for the whole or the whole for a part, the special for the general or the general for the special, as in ten sail for ten ships or a Croesus for a rich man.

a common device in speaking and writing .

Abstraction of thought; a sutra (which means a stringing together) of cogitations; often appear to be barren coinage.

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