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RE: Buddha? - 8/28/2009 9:54:43 PM   
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It was a short lived time.
 
There claim to fame was, that buddha was around before Jesus Christ came.
Well one of them.
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RE: Buddah? - 8/29/2009 2:40:04 AM   
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If you ask these questions about diseases and dams with Buddhism, do you ask the same questions of all other religions?

Yes I do, although at least some of the other religions had the side effect of spreading literacy in centuries gone past.


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RE: Buddah? - 8/29/2009 7:23:08 AM   
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at least some of the other religions had the side effect of spreading literacy in centuries gone past.


Among the clergy.

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RE: Buddah? - 8/29/2009 10:51:09 AM   
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at least some of the other religions had the side effect of spreading literacy in centuries gone past.


Among the clergy.


This is true, and Buddhism has done the same thing. Monks, and others who study at Buddhist monasteries, are literate and generally decently educated.

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RE: Buddah? - 8/29/2009 11:32:26 AM   
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Status: offline 		Buddah has no "claim to fame", it is more an endeavor to understand life and achieve higher levels of enlightenment, Buddha being the highest, right before that is Bodhisattvas, states of being based on ones karma. 

Karma as i understand it is it more of an accumulations of all ones past and present actions which create the life experiences we face in our present life.  Thoughts, actions and deeds can all create good or  bad karma.  

There are i believe around 10,000 sects of Buddhism so it would be hard to generalize, i am sure they all interpret the teachings differently. 

To me the fundamental difference between "god" and buddhism is that Buddhism doesn't believe in a deity, everyone can be a "buddha", this is why we live so many lives, and need to learn many lessons before we reach that enlightened state.  In the christian sense of god he is a deity who christians strive to have a personal relationship with and please throughout their lives so they can gain entry into his heavenly kingdom.  A christian will endeavor to live this life under a set of rules or commandments, obeying what they believe god wants them to do. This life is far less important to a christian than their life after death, so how they live life will certainly be different if their goal is heaven.   In buddhism how one lives their lives is a product of karma. This makes your understanding obstacles and suffering is quite different - christian - it is god's will, sacrifice now for something better later - buddhist - it is an accumulation of my karma (which one can change).  What you do now, every though, intention, action you take will affect your life path, there is no forgiveness with karma - it just is.


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RE: Buddah? - 8/30/2009 12:09:43 AM   
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Buddah has no "claim to fame", it is more an endeavor to understand life and achieve higher levels of enlightenment, Buddha being the highest, right before that is Bodhisattvas, states of being based on ones karma. 

Karma as i understand it is it more of an accumulations of all ones past and present actions which create the life experiences we face in our present life.  Thoughts, actions and deeds can all create good or  bad karma.  

There are i believe around 10,000 sects of Buddhism so it would be hard to generalize, i am sure they all interpret the teachings differently. 

To me the fundamental difference between "god" and buddhism is that Buddhism doesn't believe in a deity, everyone can be a "buddha", this is why we live so many lives, and need to learn many lessons before we reach that enlightened state.  In the christian sense of god he is a deity who christians strive to have a personal relationship with and please throughout their lives so they can gain entry into his heavenly kingdom.  A christian will endeavor to live this life under a set of rules or commandments, obeying what they believe god wants them to do. This life is far less important to a christian than their life after death, so how they live life will certainly be different if their goal is heaven.   In buddhism how one lives their lives is a product of karma. This makes your understanding obstacles and suffering is quite different - christian - it is god's will, sacrifice now for something better later - buddhist - it is an accumulation of my karma (which one can change).  What you do now, every though, intention, action you take will affect your life path, there is no forgiveness with karma - it just is.

 
Great, But No one knows when or where or how they will die!
No one on this planet that is.

Always, Ant




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RE: Buddah? - 8/30/2009 6:12:08 AM   
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Buddah has no "claim to fame", it is more an endeavor to understand life and achieve higher levels of enlightenment, Buddha being the highest, right before that is Bodhisattvas, states of being based on ones karma. 

Karma as i understand it is it more of an accumulations of all ones past and present actions which create the life experiences we face in our present life.  Thoughts, actions and deeds can all create good or  bad karma.  

There are i believe around 10,000 sects of Buddhism so it would be hard to generalize, i am sure they all interpret the teachings differently. 

To me the fundamental difference between "god" and buddhism is that Buddhism doesn't believe in a deity, everyone can be a "buddha", this is why we live so many lives, and need to learn many lessons before we reach that enlightened state.  In the christian sense of god he is a deity who christians strive to have a personal relationship with and please throughout their lives so they can gain entry into his heavenly kingdom.  A christian will endeavor to live this life under a set of rules or commandments, obeying what they believe god wants them to do. This life is far less important to a christian than their life after death, so how they live life will certainly be different if their goal is heaven.   In buddhism how one lives their lives is a product of karma. This makes your understanding obstacles and suffering is quite different - christian - it is god's will, sacrifice now for something better later - buddhist - it is an accumulation of my karma (which one can change).  What you do now, every though, intention, action you take will affect your life path, there is no forgiveness with karma - it just is.

 
Great, But No one knows when or where or how they will die!
No one on this planet that is.

Always, Ant





I'm not sure what knowledge of time of death has to do with the post you responded to, but first, there are Buddhists who are believed to be able to control their time, place and manner of death as well as time and place of rebirth. The Dalai Lama is one such.

There is a saying in Japan, "born Shinto, die Buddhist". Advanced Buddhist practitioners have long been considered "masters of death". One of the most important things to consider in Buddhism is death. Because most of us never know when we will die, it is believed to be helpful to cultivate a state of mind that is free from negative emotions and that is disciplined. If one spends his/her life performing good actions and having good intentions behind those actions, and if one also spends his/her life disciplining the mind, then it does not matter when he/she dies. Preparations are already in place, making death, and the transition to the intermediate state and then the next life, much more positive and much easier. Because the ordinary person does not always have the time to maintain that kind of discipline in life, Buddhist monks help to fill that role at the time of death. They can walk the dying through the mental process, so to speak, to help remove fear, and ease the transition.

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RE: Buddah? - 8/30/2009 10:45:07 PM   
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I'm not sure what knowledge of time of death has to do with the post you responded to, but first, there are Buddhists who are believed to be able to control their time, place and manner of death as well as time and place of rebirth. The Dalai Lama is one such.

 
This is why we have people Like David Copperfield, Chris Angel.
When I found out from a stage hand how Chris Angel did his show,
I said yep the Circus is in town.
 
Be nice if the Lama had some real abilities, to like Heal, raise the dead.
 
Not today. Always, your Friendly neighborhood knees2you.

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RE: Buddah? - 8/30/2009 10:58:03 PM   
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Status: offline 		Do you really want to know when, where and how you will die?  Would this knowledge help you to live a better life?  i think it would limit rather than help someone.  No religion on this earth can tell anyone that.  The men you speak of create illusions for people's entertainment, not sure what relevance they play in all this. 

Can you give your definition of a real ability?  i would be interested in understanding that.


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RE: Buddah? - 8/30/2009 11:41:45 PM   
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ORIGINAL: knees2you

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I'm not sure what knowledge of time of death has to do with the post you responded to, but first, there are Buddhists who are believed to be able to control their time, place and manner of death as well as time and place of rebirth. The Dalai Lama is one such.

 
This is why we have people Like David Copperfield, Chris Angel.
When I found out from a stage hand how Chris Angel did his show,
I said yep the Circus is in town.
 
Be nice if the Lama had some real abilities, to like Heal, raise the dead.
 
Not today. Always, your Friendly neighborhood knees2you.


Can I ask what defines a "real ability" to you? Maybe in the world we live in today the ability to be a public figure affecting a large audience of people with words and perhaps changing their thought process subtely is a greater ability than healing. Maybe there is a need for a different kind of messenger?

In my opinion people always find a way to rationalise in their own mind someone's apparant ability to heal or raise the dead anyway. They will always talk away and find a way to explain the unexplainable.

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RE: Buddah? - 8/30/2009 11:50:20 PM   
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Be nice if the Lama had some real abilities, to like Heal, raise the dead.
 



Be nice if you displayed a more Christian attitude instead of resorting to bigotry.


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RE: Buddah? - 8/31/2009 6:19:10 AM   
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Do you really want to know when, where and how you will die? Would this knowledge help you to live a better life? i think it would limit rather than help someone. No religion on this earth can tell anyone that. The men you speak of create illusions for people's entertainment, not sure what relevance they play in all this.
Can you give your definition of a real ability? i would be interested in understanding that.

I'd find that quite useful for example if I saw that I was going to be shot dead by the mafia perhaps I would sever my mafia ties now? In any case seeing how you die would mean you probably wouldn't die that way. Like if you saw you was going to get killed in a freak BBQ incident you'd probably never eat BBQ again. If you saw you was going to die in your sleep you'd perhaps try not to sleep as much and live dangerously whilst awake to disprove the death in sleep prediction.

Also if you thought you were definitely going to die one way you could impress people with death defying stunts and become famous.


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RE: Buddah? - 8/31/2009 6:49:59 AM   
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I'm not sure what knowledge of time of death has to do with the post you responded to, but first, there are Buddhists who are believed to be able to control their time, place and manner of death as well as time and place of rebirth. The Dalai Lama is one such.

 
This is why we have people Like David Copperfield, Chris Angel.
When I found out from a stage hand how Chris Angel did his show,
I said yep the Circus is in town.
 
Be nice if the Lama had some real abilities, to like Heal, raise the dead.
 
Not today. Always, your Friendly neighborhood knees2you.


So, are you an expert in the skills of H.H. D.L? If you are going to make the claim he doesn't have real abilities, you will need to prove how you know that in order to be considered credible.

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RE: Buddah? - 8/31/2009 6:57:26 AM   
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Status: offline 		So if I say I can fly and someone else says no I can't fly, it is up to them to prove I can't fly?

You can only suspend your disbelief so far before some actual evidence is required.

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RE: Buddah? - 8/31/2009 9:34:49 AM   
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Do you really want to know when, where and how you will die? Would this knowledge help you to live a better life? i think it would limit rather than help someone. No religion on this earth can tell anyone that. The men you speak of create illusions for people's entertainment, not sure what relevance they play in all this.
Can you give your definition of a real ability? i would be interested in understanding that.

I'd find that quite useful for example if I saw that I was going to be shot dead by the mafia perhaps I would sever my mafia ties now? In any case seeing how you die would mean you probably wouldn't die that way. Like if you saw you was going to get killed in a freak BBQ incident you'd probably never eat BBQ again. If you saw you was going to die in your sleep you'd perhaps try not to sleep as much and live dangerously whilst awake to disprove the death in sleep prediction.

Also if you thought you were definitely going to die one way you could impress people with death defying stunts and become famous.



i think if i knew how i was going to die i would become a prisoner and no longer be free to live my life.   It would be almost impossible to circumvent how you found out you were going to die.  Then you have the question ok i won't die eating a BBQ - How will i die now?  The point is to live life in the moment, when death comes, it comes.


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RE: Buddah? - 8/31/2009 9:45:07 AM   
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Status: offline 		Well I suppose the counter argument to that is someone with a terminal illness that is given the focus to make arrangements for what comes after their death and the urgency of their situation helps them to realise life is a kind of now or never deal where they shouldn't be putting things off they want to do.

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RE: Buddah? - 8/31/2009 9:50:40 AM   
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Status: offline 		Why not do all that now if it is important to you?  Why do you have to wait to learn you have a terminal illness to do this?  Death is inevidable, everyone should live life every day to the fullest because tomorrow is not a guarantee.  i just don't understand why knowing how you are going to die will make someone all of a sudden appreciate life and not take it for granted?  

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RE: Buddah? - 8/31/2009 10:03:43 AM   
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People find themselves in routines for all kinds of reasons e.g. due to external commitments to other people. This is why people take things for granted. I admire someone that lives for the here and now but the reality is most people are planning for the future in terms of their pension, retirement etc. Following your approach they may not do these things in such vast numbers because they'd realise the chances of getting that pension money back is not guaranteed.

People (the majority I think) assume they will get old and so they assume other commitments can temporarily block out the things they want to do.

I can't say anymore, I do understand your viewpoint and where you are coming from but I have the feeling that isn't the sentiment for most unless they’ve been witness to something that demonstrates today could be the last day.


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RE: Buddah? - 8/31/2009 1:31:26 PM   
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Be nice if the Lama had some real abilities, to like Heal...


I can exorcise the demons that cause epilepsy just as well as Jesus, does that make me a divine being?

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RE: Buddah? - 8/31/2009 8:11:55 PM   
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So if I say I can fly and someone else says no I can't fly, it is up to them to prove I can't fly?

You can only suspend your disbelief so far before some actual evidence is required.


It seems to me, that if, for example, you were addressing a group of Buddhists, who have faith in the abilities of the Dalai Lama and believe unwaveringly that he can do as he is purported to do, then you would be the one needing to provide evidence to the contrary.

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