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The "Wow" Signal - Was It Or Wasn't It? - 8/28/2009 12:36:57 PM   
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A couple of posts that I've exchanged with Arpig in the "creationist science" thread got me thinking, once again, about something I often ponder. I thought I'd start a thread, partly to see what other people may think about it and partly because it occurs to me that a lot of people might never have even heard of it, and may find it interesting. It'll probably get moved to some other forum at some point, god only knows which one. But I'll start it here, because we don't have a science forum and it does relate somewhat to the creationism thread.

In August of 1977, astronomers at Ohio State University's Big Ear radio telescope, scanning the skies for evidence of extraterrestrial intelligence (ETI), found something nobody had ever heard before and nobody has ever heard since. For 72 seconds, the telescope tracked a radio signal of such power and such complexity the astronomer reading the data wrote the word "WOW!" in the margin next to the transcription. The signal fit most of the criteria for what would be accepted as evidence of an extraterrestrial origin, and every possibility of terrestrial origin was either completely ruled out or judged to be so unlikely as to not even be worth considering. In fact, the only conclusion that can not be categorically ruled out or proved to be unlikely is that it was, indeed, a signal from another civilization. Planets, aircraft, terrestrial spacecraft, groundbased transmitters, reflections off of asteroids or other space debris - all were determined to be either impossible, or too improbable to seriously consider. As odd as it may seem, the possibility that this was an alien radio signal is left as the most likely, or perhaps the least unlikely, explanation.

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As he had done a thousand times, Jerry Ehman glanced over the Big Ear's computer printouts, not really expecting to find anything unusual. But what Ehman saw on that Aug. 15, 1977 - and his startled reaction - would be recorded in radio astronomy textbooks and discussed by researchers to this day.

The Columbus man saw a signal so strong that it catapulted the Big Ear's recording device off the chart. An excited Ehman scribbled "Wow!" on the printout, a tag that is indelibly linked to the recording. "I mean, without thinking, I wrote 'Wow!' " Ehman recalls. "It was the most significant thing we had seen."


Ehman's position today is that he is unwilling to say anything more  than that the signal "might" have been a transmission from an alien civilization. As a scientist, he feels that there just isn't enough information to declare that it was an ETI; he refuses to "draw vast conclusions from half-vast  data." Despite over 40 years of periodic searching in that section of the sky - over a hundred searches by radio telescopes all over the world - the signal has never been detected again, and it appears that no more data will be forthcoming. All we have is 72 seconds, the time it took for the radio telescope to track across that portion of the sky on that one summer night. The radio telescope that first detected it searched again over 50 times before it was torn down a couple of years ago to make room for a golf course. To my knowledge, nobody's even looking anymore. It's quite probable we'll never know for certain what Jerry Ehman heard  that night.

But... for those of you who have heard of the "Wow!" signal... what do you think it was?

Jerry Erhman on the "Wow!" signal

Space.com's article

MSNBC - The "Wow!" Mystery Turns 30

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RE: The "Wow" Signal - Was It Or Wasn't It? - 8/28/2009 12:44:35 PM   
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Folklore indicates at least seven species of non-human intelligence and interstellar capabilities, at least five of which are of extraterrestrial origin.

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RE: The "Wow" Signal - Was It Or Wasn't It? - 8/28/2009 12:48:22 PM   
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I've believed in extraterrestrial life since I had a close encounter with a "fast walker" ship about twenty years ago so, in my mind, the WOW incident is fairly minor. It is perfectly reasonable (to me) that it was of extraterrestrial origin, and I would think that it was most likely made by intelligent life forms. But as for exactly what caused it, we may never know.


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RE: The "Wow" Signal - Was It Or Wasn't It? - 8/28/2009 12:59:22 PM   
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My best guess has always been that it was a communication from an alien spacecraft that just happened to be passing through that sector of the sky at that time, rather than a fixed point like a planet or star system. That would explain why the signal has never repeated, and no other radiation from that sector has ever been detected. 

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RE: The "Wow" Signal - Was It Or Wasn't It? - 8/28/2009 1:06:45 PM   
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.....seems to me that you may be correct Panda when you suggest it came from a ship rather than a fixed point. Which begs the question, are they looking in the right place? Seems to me the obvious place to look is along a line between us and the signal but behind us. After all, if it was a signal it must have been going somewhere, concentrating on the destination as opposed to the source might prove fruitful.

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RE: The "Wow" Signal - Was It Or Wasn't It? - 8/28/2009 1:08:34 PM   
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I was aware of the signal, but have not investigated it. I guess that it was a signal from an advanced human spacecraft.

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RE: The "Wow" Signal - Was It Or Wasn't It? - 8/28/2009 1:11:57 PM   
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Or it may have been a catastrophic event, like a nuclear war or some other similar tragedy. Just baseless speculation, but who knows. It could have been anything.


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RE: The "Wow" Signal - Was It Or Wasn't It? - 8/28/2009 1:36:55 PM   
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.....seems to me that you may be correct Panda when you suggest it came from a ship rather than a fixed point. Which begs the question, are they looking in the right place? Seems to me the obvious place to look is along a line between us and the signal but behind us. After all, if it was a signal it must have been going somewhere, concentrating on the destination as opposed to the source might prove fruitful.


Exactly. That's just what I've always thought. I'm not sure how much of a chance that would have, but I think it's at least worth looking at.

I think it would depend upon just how technologically advanced the culture was. It seems unlikely that a culture which has perfected faster-than-light interstellar travel would use radio signals to communicate over interstellar distances. It would take years for the information to get from one phone to the other, and it doesn't seem likely that any information that took years to transmit would be useful enough for such a civilization to send in the first place. I'm just speculating here, but I would suspect that any civilization with  the technology to travel faster than light has also worked out the technology to send information faster than light. It seems unlikely that such a culture would use radio technology to communicate with their home world - much like NASA communicating with the space shuttle by using giant smoke signals.

The two things that make the most sense to me are that it was either two spacecraft communicating with each other while moving at sub-light speed, or a sub-light interstellar expedition sending an update on their journey back to the home planet. If it were two spacecraft, there's no way to even guess where they came from or where they were going, so there's no way to know where to look. But if it was some sort of deep-space expedition (moving at sub-light speeds with technology comparable to what we have now or are at least presently capable of), sending a message back to their home planet, the place to be looking is the area of the sky that was directly behind us at that time on that night. And I've never been able to find out whether that was ever done. I'd be curious to know, really.

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RE: The "Wow" Signal - Was It Or Wasn't It? - 8/28/2009 2:01:52 PM   
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All indications are that the signal was directed at Earth and of human communication technology (radio), and consequently must have been sent by an Earth human spacecraft.

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RE: The "Wow" Signal - Was It Or Wasn't It? - 8/28/2009 2:12:38 PM   
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All indications are that the signal was directed at Earth and of human communication technology (radio), and consequently must have been sent by an Earth human spacecraft.


What indications are those?


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RE: The "Wow" Signal - Was It Or Wasn't It? - 8/28/2009 2:29:43 PM   
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All indications are that the signal was directed at Earth and of human communication technology (radio), and consequently must have been sent by an Earth human spacecraft.

What indications are those?

I am only going on the information presented here in this thread.
Indications: 1. Strong signal, so more likely to be nearby rather than at stellar distances, 2. received by Earth, so must have been directed at Earth, 3. Urgent, secret and containing lots of information; 72 seconds is a long time for a secret, complex, compressed signal, 4. Unlikely to have been directed at a location diametrically opposite Earth, 5. No reoccurence, indeed indication of changing position of nearby spacecraft (good deduction, but you erred in thinking that the craft was at stellar distances), 6. Apparently human standard technology omnidirectional radio for gossakes; clearly more sophisticated technology was at that time beyond them, 7. We know that human technology in principle could have sent such a signal, 8. There were about five billion humans on the planet that received the signal.

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RE: The "Wow" Signal - Was It Or Wasn't It? - 8/28/2009 2:37:19 PM   
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But there were no terrestrial spacecraft in that area of the sky, and even if there had been, it would have been impossible for an orbiting craft to duplicate the characteristics of that signal. It wouldn't have been able to hold position for that long and that precise a period. Terrestrial spacecraft were one of the first things ruled out.

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RE: The "Wow" Signal - Was It Or Wasn't It? - 8/28/2009 2:50:59 PM   
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...been reading round the links you provided and another fact has come up. The WOW signal occured the same day Elvis Presley died.........the conclusion is obvious.....

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RE: The "Wow" Signal - Was It Or Wasn't It? - 8/28/2009 2:53:32 PM   
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...been reading round the links you provided and another fact has come up. The WOW signal occured the same day Elvis Presley died.........the conclusion is obvious.....


No kidding? Well, shit! I've got a scar on my thumb from the day the Wow signal was detected! That was the day I cut half the tip of my thumb off with a razor blade taking cuttings from a Hindu rope plant. Hurt like a mother. Good thing I was still, uh, self-medicating during those days.


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RE: The "Wow" Signal - Was It Or Wasn't It? - 8/28/2009 3:19:36 PM   
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But there were no terrestrial spacecraft in that area of the sky, and even if there had been, it would have been impossible for an orbiting craft to duplicate the characteristics of that signal. It wouldn't have been able to hold position for that long and that precise a period. Terrestrial spacecraft were one of the first things ruled out.

You suffer from a lack of paranoia.

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RE: The "Wow" Signal - Was It Or Wasn't It? - 8/28/2009 3:40:03 PM   
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It was me coming back to earth.

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I left three hundred years previous.

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Seriously though.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quasar




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RE: The "Wow" Signal - Was It Or Wasn't It? - 8/28/2009 3:49:44 PM   
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It wasn't a quasar.

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RE: The "Wow" Signal - Was It Or Wasn't It? - 8/28/2009 3:52:45 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Rule

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But there were no terrestrial spacecraft in that area of the sky, and even if there had been, it would have been impossible for an orbiting craft to duplicate the characteristics of that signal. It wouldn't have been able to hold position for that long and that precise a period. Terrestrial spacecraft were one of the first things ruled out.

You suffer from a lack of paranoia.




There's something about the humor of people whose first language isn't English that's just so much funnier sometimes than what a native speaker could come up with.

But that aside... maybe I'm just paranoid about different things. Or better at keeping the paranoia hidden...




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RE: The "Wow" Signal - Was It Or Wasn't It? - 8/28/2009 3:55:14 PM   
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Ok. Time to throw some facts on the speculation.

The 'Wow' signal was on the 10 Khz band. This is a very long wavelength and not much good for transmitting information, its part of the VLF band and is in the heart of human hearing (if the RF was transformed into mechanical sound waves). Due to the nature of RF propogation an intentional signal at this frequency would be best transmitted and received by very long, several miles at least, antennas.

While the signal was scientifically fascinating and certain segments of the populace latched onto the 'wow' statement the signal is illogical as an intentional signal either as one used for communication or as a sort of reverse SETI transmission.

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RE: The "Wow" Signal - Was It Or Wasn't It? - 8/28/2009 4:25:28 PM   
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10 Khz band? No it wasn't, Ken. I think you misread. It was actually at the 1420 Mhz band, which is incidentally another data point in support of the theory that it was an intentional SETI communication. The signal was determined to be either 1420.356 Mhz or 1420.456 Mhz, both within 50 Khz of the so-called "hydrogen band" - the frequency which radio astronomers regard as most likely to be used by other civilizations to attempt contact. Which, in turn, also supports the argument that it was not a terrestrial source - terrestrial transmitters are supposed to keep that frequency clear just to avoid the possibility of any such confusion. 

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